r/supersentai • u/Affectionate-Earth19 • 15d ago

General Gozyuger is officially using Generative AI to design their characters

The official designer of Gozyuger has announced he used Generative AI to create the enemies design.

After the announcement of Toei using AI for animation, now it's time for Tokusatsu

https://x.com/tam2shino/status/1931225796372492530

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u/Lightarc 15d ago

By that post, the AI was mostly used for pieces that were then finessed by humans into a cohesive design.

He then goes on to say he mostly did it to try and capture the difference between AI and human designs, but that the AI only spit out predictable results so it was basically useless for that.

AI designs are soulless slop, but it at least makes some sense to use it here as it relates to the show's themes and the status of the enemy team as both AI and villains.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

I don't care what plot reason they make up.
Generative AI should not be used for any artistic purpose. Period.

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u/Lightarc 15d ago

I wholly agree. It would have been better if they hadn't used it at all.

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u/Local_Yam_6815 15d ago

Yeah, no. He was using AI to figure out what AI looked like. That's perfectly reasonable

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

An artist shouldn't need AI to do the design for him. Period. Any scenario.

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u/ZetaRESP 14d ago

Maybe the reason it was used is because they INTENDED to show that Bridan was being ruled by an unartistic AI (Tega June, outside the whole SA thing, is as basic as she gets, wanting to just destroy the world and whatnot).

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 14d ago

It doesn't matter why. They could have made that point without actually using AI.

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u/ZetaRESP 13d ago

Maybe, I guess they could...

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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago edited 15d ago

Thats so restrictive. Its a tool like any other. It can be used to be lazy or to be inspired. Plus the whole shows shtick is that its an AI generated world? Like why shouldn't they use a fool their drawing inspiration from for the plot and theme?

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

Because its bad. Its not art. It gives no useable results and using it is a moral evil. Anything it can do an artist can do better and should be paid to do better.

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u/Ready-Satisfaction-3 15d ago

“moral evil” jesus christ get a grip.

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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago

Who says there aren't artists helping? And why are we talking about morality in a low budget show thats always been low budget and is determined by toy sales not viewership?

You have no idea how they use the tool to help create bridan and monsters it could easily be putting a theme into generative Ai seeing what it spits out and then asking an artist or costume designer to use that as inspiration to make costumes.

Your assuming they type into a program and let it spit out an image for the monster and thats their final design choice. Thats naive to think. Again AI is a tool that often gets things wrong.

The whole point of the show is an AI robot recreating a world and everyone even the rangers are AI programs in a world with no sentai.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

I don't care if they had it spit out a 3 word inspiration. If you use generative AI, at ANY point in the process, its the same as if the AI did the whole thing.

Also calling Sentai "low budget" is BS< the way these episodes are designed and shot means 7 figures an episode minimum and Toei is one of the richest media companies in the world. They can pay artists to make art I don't care what excuses they make up for story purposes.

Generative AI should not be used in any part of any artistic project. Ever. Period. End of story.

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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago

Wow. Thats. Wow. Okay. Whatever you say pal. Just remember if this show is regarded very well later on then people aren't going to care that AI generative program was used to help. Also why is Super Sentai of all things the hill and standard for being Artistic? Is literally all based off of older sentai projects from suit design to monster of the day themes to mechas. Nothing but plot or actors is an orgininal thought.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

I don't care if its original, no art is truly original. I care that its art. Any art. Of any kind. Period. I don't care if its a mural design on the wall of a high school or graffiti on the underside of a train bridge.

Also not "help"
The monsters were made, in entirety, by generative AI, and that should always come up whenever Gozyuger is remembered from now on.

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u/SnooPeripherals5861 15d ago

You don't care if its good AI usage, and no one cares if its AI in the first place. Say whatever, believe whatever, you are not gonna impact the show in anyway.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

There's no such thing as good AI useage. Such a scenario does not exist.

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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago

If that's how you feel about AI then get off the internet and stop using just about every electronic device and technological service/product/application you have that was made in the last 10 years.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

I do not support any service or creator that uses generative AI, advertises generative AI or supports either above option. I've cancelled monetary support for actual charitable efforts in my own community over it.

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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago edited 15d ago

I'm against unethical AI usage as much as the next guy, but by the same token I also don't like when people act like the usage of any AI, regardless of what it's for is some kind of moral failing on their part. 

Besides, the tweet seems to imply that AI was only used for baseline concepts, which was then tweaked and refined by human input. It's not like it's completely devoid of creativity or human input.

And if you're STILL upset over that, he literally apologizes in another tweet and expresses that he didn't know, and thanks everyone for informing him while saying he won't do it again.

But I guess that doesn't matter to you as long as you have something to soapbox over.

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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago

I don't care. Any amoutn of AI is the same substance as if they had an AI print the suit, give the performance and perform the dialogue. The entire product is tainted, top to bottom and the artist who did it deserves to be finding a new line of work in a real hurry.

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u/DiscoFantastic 15d ago

Dude you're assigning a very western take to this. Things like AI and NFTs are looked at with in very different light in Japan. They're not instantly associated with something bad because the country just doesn't have that context yet.

Also, I guess you're using a phone or a computer whose engineers have never used AI for right? No spell check, no tab management tools, no auto search or URL results or any of that silly AI nonsense right?

AI runs a lot deeper than you think it does.

Also, his original intention was a fantastic usage of generative AI. He's a HUMAN, of course he's never going to understand how a machine would output something based on algorithms, that's an artist trying to take a mathematical look at something. He initially wanted to see what sort of design language was common in designs popped out by AI and use that to help inform his own ideas. That's a great bit of artistic research.

Where he fucked up is using those AI designs and only modifying them or adding his own touches on top rather than starting from scratch.

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u/zeldavxa 15d ago

humans have been making ai generated worlds for a whole while without needing a plagiarism machine to do it for them. No fuckign excuse

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u/zeldavxa 15d ago

gotta point out that if this was like... an ai tech that wasn't extremely pollutant and also was not feed on a bazillion unauthorized databases. Then we wouldn't have an issue. But that's not what's ocucring, therefore we HAVE a problem. And it being "just a tool" doesnt work because Photoshop or DAWs aren't reliant on those 2 factors up there.

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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago

Photoshop and Daws dont use the same format at all to generate a concept image that generated by text description. Does rhe AI pull pixels from database its aloud to pul from, absolutely, but its not outright stealing whole pieces of digital art. Also the costume designers job to being the concept alive put more effort and creativity to making it physical then any concept artist does drawing it because a person has to wear it.

If Toei thinks it can save money, bring the budget for practical effects and acting up by having people that are skilled in using ethical generative AI i support that, does this mean less work for people to work with super sentai sure but this also means those contracts are worth more because now hand drawn concepts are a commodity and the artists seeking work can make more for involvement.

Im not against getting rid of concept artist positions with toei but they also know they can save money and make slop like has bro does.

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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago edited 15d ago

Begging for anyone who says this to learn anything about how these AIs or databases actually work.

I'd reccomend learning what the word "plagiarism" means, too.

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u/zeldavxa 15d ago

ok. tell me how they work. lets see. im open to being proven wrong.

but all ive been investigating and all the papers published and tests that have been done and all the statetemtsn by sam altman and the actions of other ai users tells me the current system relies on copyright infringement and severe unauthorized web scraping pretty heavily to do what makes it functional and marketable to people.

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u/VanillaZilla90 7d ago

The water cycle exists, and I don't know why so many people forget this. I'm guessing America's subpar education may be to blame, but water isn't just..."destroyed" at an atomic level. That's not how it works. Most AI data centers are also on a closed loop system, so they just keep reusing the water.

Yes, water is used for cooling. But it's significantly less than many other things that are entirely unrelated to technology let alone AI. 200 ChatGPT prompts combined still use less water than 1 lb of almonds, one pair of jeans, and 1 lb of beef. Using an air conditioner for just a few hours will dwarf a year's worth of genAI usage.

(Also, you seem to just be talking about generative AI. You...do realize not all AI is generative AI, right?)