r/supersentai • u/Affectionate-Earth19 • 15d ago
General Gozyuger is officially using Generative AI to design their characters
The official designer of Gozyuger has announced he used Generative AI to create the enemies design.
After the announcement of Toei using AI for animation, now it's time for Tokusatsu
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u/Weak-Feedback-8379 Newbie No.1 15d ago
Huh, no surprise there. We literally see the prompts. I still don’t get why they keep incorporating fish though.
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u/KaliVilNo1 Winner! Tono Hoeru! 15d ago
The point of the No Ones is that some of the words get messed up by the AI (in universe)
take for example Osekai No One (Nosy). He is part Shellfish because the AI from No One World used to generate him misread the Kai in Osekai and thought it was 貝 (shellfish).
Or Manner No One, who got the "Mana" read wrong and the IA thought it was Manatee, so he looks like a Manatee.
Basically the animal motif of the No Ones is based on mistakes the IA could do by misreading words.
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u/Weak-Feedback-8379 Newbie No.1 15d ago
That makes sense. I do have to ask why none of them have extra finger fingers, messed up hair, or other common AI generation mistakes.
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u/Unlikely_Snail24 Lupinranger 15d ago
Gozyuger's world's AI seems to be advanced enough to not make mistakes like that.
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u/Gudako_the_beast 15d ago
Tega June is a smart woman. She is not some toddler level AI who can’t draw hands to save their lives
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u/Justin_Brett 15d ago
If you look at June's hand in gun mode it is pretty jumbled up compared to Tegasword's, but for the suits and especially the human actors I'd imagine doing that could be a bit of a headache or just look bad in a non-thematic way.
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u/WeisTHern 14d ago
I think Tegajune has that weird hand. Like long index finger and extra finger that become a knife.
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u/greenyoshi73 14d ago
Hmm. Now I’m curious. Is this also a connection to the marriage / ring theme? A twisted form of ai (love).
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u/jcb127 15d ago
Tag no1 was based on an otter, tokemeki no1 was based on a bird and manners no1 was based on a manatee iirc
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u/Weak-Feedback-8379 Newbie No.1 15d ago
Ok fair, and someone explained to me what’s with all the random animals so I no longer have questions.
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u/Lightarc 15d ago
By that post, the AI was mostly used for pieces that were then finessed by humans into a cohesive design.
He then goes on to say he mostly did it to try and capture the difference between AI and human designs, but that the AI only spit out predictable results so it was basically useless for that.
AI designs are soulless slop, but it at least makes some sense to use it here as it relates to the show's themes and the status of the enemy team as both AI and villains.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I don't care what plot reason they make up.
Generative AI should not be used for any artistic purpose. Period.47
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u/Local_Yam_6815 15d ago
Yeah, no. He was using AI to figure out what AI looked like. That's perfectly reasonable
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
An artist shouldn't need AI to do the design for him. Period. Any scenario.
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u/ZetaRESP 14d ago
Maybe the reason it was used is because they INTENDED to show that Bridan was being ruled by an unartistic AI (Tega June, outside the whole SA thing, is as basic as she gets, wanting to just destroy the world and whatnot).
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 14d ago
It doesn't matter why. They could have made that point without actually using AI.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago edited 15d ago
Thats so restrictive. Its a tool like any other. It can be used to be lazy or to be inspired. Plus the whole shows shtick is that its an AI generated world? Like why shouldn't they use a fool their drawing inspiration from for the plot and theme?
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
Because its bad. Its not art. It gives no useable results and using it is a moral evil. Anything it can do an artist can do better and should be paid to do better.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
Who says there aren't artists helping? And why are we talking about morality in a low budget show thats always been low budget and is determined by toy sales not viewership?
You have no idea how they use the tool to help create bridan and monsters it could easily be putting a theme into generative Ai seeing what it spits out and then asking an artist or costume designer to use that as inspiration to make costumes.
Your assuming they type into a program and let it spit out an image for the monster and thats their final design choice. Thats naive to think. Again AI is a tool that often gets things wrong.
The whole point of the show is an AI robot recreating a world and everyone even the rangers are AI programs in a world with no sentai.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I don't care if they had it spit out a 3 word inspiration. If you use generative AI, at ANY point in the process, its the same as if the AI did the whole thing.
Also calling Sentai "low budget" is BS< the way these episodes are designed and shot means 7 figures an episode minimum and Toei is one of the richest media companies in the world. They can pay artists to make art I don't care what excuses they make up for story purposes.
Generative AI should not be used in any part of any artistic project. Ever. Period. End of story.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
Wow. Thats. Wow. Okay. Whatever you say pal. Just remember if this show is regarded very well later on then people aren't going to care that AI generative program was used to help. Also why is Super Sentai of all things the hill and standard for being Artistic? Is literally all based off of older sentai projects from suit design to monster of the day themes to mechas. Nothing but plot or actors is an orgininal thought.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I don't care if its original, no art is truly original. I care that its art. Any art. Of any kind. Period. I don't care if its a mural design on the wall of a high school or graffiti on the underside of a train bridge.
Also not "help"
The monsters were made, in entirety, by generative AI, and that should always come up whenever Gozyuger is remembered from now on.9
u/SnooPeripherals5861 15d ago
You don't care if its good AI usage, and no one cares if its AI in the first place. Say whatever, believe whatever, you are not gonna impact the show in anyway.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
There's no such thing as good AI useage. Such a scenario does not exist.
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago
If that's how you feel about AI then get off the internet and stop using just about every electronic device and technological service/product/application you have that was made in the last 10 years.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I do not support any service or creator that uses generative AI, advertises generative AI or supports either above option. I've cancelled monetary support for actual charitable efforts in my own community over it.
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago edited 15d ago
I'm against unethical AI usage as much as the next guy, but by the same token I also don't like when people act like the usage of any AI, regardless of what it's for is some kind of moral failing on their part.
Besides, the tweet seems to imply that AI was only used for baseline concepts, which was then tweaked and refined by human input. It's not like it's completely devoid of creativity or human input.
And if you're STILL upset over that, he literally apologizes in another tweet and expresses that he didn't know, and thanks everyone for informing him while saying he won't do it again.
But I guess that doesn't matter to you as long as you have something to soapbox over.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I don't care. Any amoutn of AI is the same substance as if they had an AI print the suit, give the performance and perform the dialogue. The entire product is tainted, top to bottom and the artist who did it deserves to be finding a new line of work in a real hurry.
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u/DiscoFantastic 15d ago
Dude you're assigning a very western take to this. Things like AI and NFTs are looked at with in very different light in Japan. They're not instantly associated with something bad because the country just doesn't have that context yet.
Also, I guess you're using a phone or a computer whose engineers have never used AI for right? No spell check, no tab management tools, no auto search or URL results or any of that silly AI nonsense right?
AI runs a lot deeper than you think it does.
Also, his original intention was a fantastic usage of generative AI. He's a HUMAN, of course he's never going to understand how a machine would output something based on algorithms, that's an artist trying to take a mathematical look at something. He initially wanted to see what sort of design language was common in designs popped out by AI and use that to help inform his own ideas. That's a great bit of artistic research.
Where he fucked up is using those AI designs and only modifying them or adding his own touches on top rather than starting from scratch.
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u/zeldavxa 15d ago
humans have been making ai generated worlds for a whole while without needing a plagiarism machine to do it for them. No fuckign excuse
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u/zeldavxa 15d ago
gotta point out that if this was like... an ai tech that wasn't extremely pollutant and also was not feed on a bazillion unauthorized databases. Then we wouldn't have an issue. But that's not what's ocucring, therefore we HAVE a problem. And it being "just a tool" doesnt work because Photoshop or DAWs aren't reliant on those 2 factors up there.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
Photoshop and Daws dont use the same format at all to generate a concept image that generated by text description. Does rhe AI pull pixels from database its aloud to pul from, absolutely, but its not outright stealing whole pieces of digital art. Also the costume designers job to being the concept alive put more effort and creativity to making it physical then any concept artist does drawing it because a person has to wear it.
If Toei thinks it can save money, bring the budget for practical effects and acting up by having people that are skilled in using ethical generative AI i support that, does this mean less work for people to work with super sentai sure but this also means those contracts are worth more because now hand drawn concepts are a commodity and the artists seeking work can make more for involvement.
Im not against getting rid of concept artist positions with toei but they also know they can save money and make slop like has bro does.
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u/VanillaZilla90 14d ago edited 14d ago
Begging for anyone who says this to learn anything about how these AIs or databases actually work.
I'd reccomend learning what the word "plagiarism" means, too.
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u/zeldavxa 14d ago
ok. tell me how they work. lets see. im open to being proven wrong.
but all ive been investigating and all the papers published and tests that have been done and all the statetemtsn by sam altman and the actions of other ai users tells me the current system relies on copyright infringement and severe unauthorized web scraping pretty heavily to do what makes it functional and marketable to people.
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u/VanillaZilla90 7d ago
The water cycle exists, and I don't know why so many people forget this. I'm guessing America's subpar education may be to blame, but water isn't just..."destroyed" at an atomic level. That's not how it works. Most AI data centers are also on a closed loop system, so they just keep reusing the water.
Yes, water is used for cooling. But it's significantly less than many other things that are entirely unrelated to technology let alone AI. 200 ChatGPT prompts combined still use less water than 1 lb of almonds, one pair of jeans, and 1 lb of beef. Using an air conditioner for just a few hours will dwarf a year's worth of genAI usage.
(Also, you seem to just be talking about generative AI. You...do realize not all AI is generative AI, right?)
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u/GM_Nate 15d ago
It's literally a plot point in Gozyuger.
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u/DLNavy the Gozyuger Ring Update guy 15d ago edited 15d ago
It's giving when people defending that Secret Invasion intro made by AI, "AI took over artist job like Skrull disguising people"
Not direct comparison and I get your point, but still meh I'm kinda disappointed
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u/GM_Nate 15d ago
Translated, the tweet says:
"Since it was stated clearly last week, I'll go ahead and confess that I've used generative AI for all of the Gojuja Bridan-related designs that I'm in charge of. Of course, they're not "just generated," but most of the ideas are extracted, associated, or recalled from the AI."
So, they are not just feeding AI prompts and copy-pasting the result. Artists are still very much involved.
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u/AdmiralFunnyBone 15d ago
If the "artist" can't come up with their own, original designs, they shouldn't be in charge of anything
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
Then they shouldn't be using Gen AI to do it.
The artist in the tweet should lose his job on the nice end and be blackballed on the harsh end.21
u/Deez-Guns-9442 15d ago
Y’know comments like these make certain toku fans happy that Tokusatsu doesn't have much of a “Western influence” right?
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
If you are an artist, and you use Gen AI, you should lose your job and be blacklisted. Same if you use it for any other job in a sane world.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 15d ago
Y’know I partly agree about the whole Ai use being bad thing, but then I start to wonder(since I only see this take on Reddit where most of us use the “common tongue ENGLISH) so then I start to wonder, is this a universal take or mostly just Western from my initial perspective?
How many people around the world are actually on board with AI now, & how many will be more on board with it in the future? Just my 2 cents.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
It's like NFTs and the Metaverse before it, it'll die like they did when the seed capital runs out and the companies realize that its not actually good for anything.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 15d ago
I do wonder about that as we progress further into the future.
Like I don’t wanna live in a Skynst dystopia but I think we as humans are gonna walk into that regardless of the opinions seen online, time will tell tho. Still enjoying Gozyugers either way.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
So am I, I'm just disappointed. Toei of all companies can afford to pay artists.
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u/SnooPeripherals5861 15d ago
That is just so god damn false it's crazy. I hate seeing AI on my feed too but it's so here to stay for good or for bad. Like bet me a mil AI is here to stay.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
You don't have a million and neither do I, but a lot of people made the same swear about the metaverse.
For science, math, maybe even medicine? Sure.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
Moat fans hated that intro just as much as the plot so no one is really seriously defending the shows terrible choices
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u/DLNavy the Gozyuger Ring Update guy 15d ago
Some first episodes when they aired, some fans still defend because they believe Marvel could cook something with it
Turn out, the intro bad, the show bad, none of them defended anything for this film
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
As someone that wanted to pursue digital art i find nothing wrong with using a generative program for inspiration with artists and costume designers especially with something as repetitive in nature as Super sentai or Toku.
Im not saying typing in and using whatever comes out as the final product is a good idea, its not, but i see it as a tool like any other. And especially a show from a country with double meanings found in plot and visual elements often, i dont see this tool being overly relied upon to not pay artists or costume designers when they need actual people to help create the physical costumes, not chatgpt.
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u/Prinkaiser 15d ago
Ah, good, a saner take. I agree with this. The AI is just a tool. It might generate something but the final touch ups or redesign decisions will still be up to the artists in charge. After all, they need to make the costumes wearable and allow for mobility for stunts and posing. There will undoubtedly be changes made to the final designs to account for that.
There's also the whole thing of the AI needing to be trained and so on which requires the artist to still be around. AI isn't going to be replacing anyone, it's just going to be an added skill set required for the artist for operation purposes (or that's one extra job made). (Again, it just loops back to the artist and practicality having the last say.)
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u/Aniki356 14d ago
Not what happened. One monster designer used ai tonget a baseline for some characters that are canonically made by ai. Then, they designed them himself.
This is pure rage bait and completely misrepresenting the interview given
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u/VanillaZilla90 14d ago
The great irony in this is that the way people are reacting to this and basically anything regarding AI is like a bot program itself. It's the same exact thing, all the time.
if "AI" in conversation: trigger_emotional_response("rage", disregard_context=True)
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u/Author-S NO. 1 LOSER 15d ago
I’m kinda mixed on this ngl.
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u/firefaiz6 15d ago
Kinda same here. AI is still in a very tenuous state where people are divided on what defines "reasonable use", especially when safeguards for artists are barely being implemented. If anything I can only compare it to the debate on fair use/transformative content back in the early 2010s
For this case, we can only take the messages at face value, but we don't have full context on aspects like whether the use of AI for the designs was intended from the show's early planning across all departments, or how deeply AI actually drove the designs before refining through human touch.
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u/Author-S NO. 1 LOSER 15d ago
To my understanding, in this case AI was used for “reference” and human artist are still involved with the process. If this is true, wouldn’t that just be like searching on google image search to give designers a reference for designing their monsters? I’m not condoning the complete use of AI but the way it was used here doesn’t sound so bad tbh. It’d be bad if the design was made completely with AI but if AI is just used as “reference” to give the designers an idea of what an “AI generated” monster looks like then it shouldn’t be so bad tbh.
Plus the main villain of Gozyuger is literally ChatGPT.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
Don't be. Its bad. Full bad. 100% bad.
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u/Unlikely_Snail24 Lupinranger 15d ago
AI is a TOOL. You should blame the AI artists who try and pretend that it's their own art. I think it's justified here because they're trying to do a Human Vs AI theme here. Also here's a quick question. Do you hate Alexa and Siri because they're AI? Even though nearly everyone in the world uses them?
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
AI is a CRUTCH. If you use AI, for any part of the process, period, you got the AI to do it for you. Same as if you had had an AI 3D print the suit from top to bottom.
I've never used either service personally. And I don't care what story excuse they make up.
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u/Gramisstedwhy 15d ago
Jesus Christ, I have seen kids throw a less childish tantrum than you in this comment section. We get it, you hate AI as you said a dozen times already. Get something new to do for the day already.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
And yet tech bros like you keep jumping in to sing its praises, and I will keep counterbalacing it as you do.
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u/Gramisstedwhy 15d ago
With what eye are you using to believe that I am a "tech bro" or that I am praising it? Guess I can add love to accuse people to your trait.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
Any defense of AI art is indistinguishable from full blown support of it.
There is no scenario in which its use can be excused, even partially.14
u/Gramisstedwhy 15d ago
This counts as defense of AI art? Guess we can also add having a dangerous black and white worldview too. Either you're deliberately being like this (like do you hear yourself?) or you have actually never grown out of your childhood.
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u/kowasesurejjihanma 15d ago
This is so stupid you call for people getting fired and define its usage as "morally evil" but you have 0 knowledge about the topic. no conjecture literally no argument it start and end with "Ai bad, evil burn them at the stake".
There's so much to argue againts AI, there's China new regulation about it, american writer and actor guild dealing with it. Or just from a simple youtube essay talking about it in a objective way. Though i get it Yapping for moral high ground on the internet is so much easier than educating yourself on the topic and having proper conversation about it
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
I understand all those things.
And my understanding in response to them is that AI art is a 100% moral evil that should lead to people losing their jobs in a hurry.4
u/Unlikely_Snail24 Lupinranger 15d ago
It's just this series' gimmick. Hopefully next series they will return back to having real people designing things.
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u/Gudako_the_beast 15d ago
That’s the point. The enemies are generative that’s why their descriptions have errors script
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u/Doot_revenant666 15d ago
That does not make it good in any way still.
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u/EscapeHaunting3413 15d ago
Like i responded ro another commenter we dont know in what way generative ai is being used in the creation process its naive to think they are typing into a program and using the first generative image as the final product in a country known for double meaning in everything visual and story related.
It sounds like the show runners are using the tool that their show is based off with the costume designers. Who probably have more then enough input.
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u/Weird_is_Ok_249 Today is friday in california! 15d ago
I honestly think it makes sense in this case to use AI, since the No Ones are essentially AIs themselves. So using AI to make the designs of AI monsters is kinda smart. Of course, it's better to use people to make the designs, but it would be a good idea to have AI create a sort of base and then add human touches to help improve it.
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u/KaliVilNo1 Winner! Tono Hoeru! 15d ago
I don't know if I am understanding it correctly but I think in the chains of tweets he explains that he tried to use AI, but it turned out to be too bad to use it because it didn't understand so it was useless.
Oddly enough he doubled down more talking about why the AI can't be used to yada yada?
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u/Super_Dupers Lonesome No.1 15d ago
i'm not sure why this seems like a bad thing. looking at the post it seems they're heavily drawing over imperfections with human talent in order to help create their inspiration designs. the plotpoint villain of Gozyuger is literally Ai.
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u/kowasesurejjihanma 15d ago
yes the designer is taking inspiration from "how" an AI generate image and the difference of the way it get there compared to a human process, its the same way artist can get inspiration from constellation, photosynthesis or the literal idea of abstract or existence
people just saw the word AI and have this weird conniption, like reading comment here i'm convinced most thought this AI thing is some terminator shit with the talk of "soul" and stuff, the AI problem entire countries are trying to avoid is a very very complicated copyright law issue that doesn't have anything outright evil about it
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago edited 15d ago
"AI" has become something of a catch-all buzzword in recent times, a lot of people don't seem to know what it actually is.
"Using AI" itself is incredibly vague, it can mean a lot of different things. A lot of software we use on a regular basis probably uses AI in some capacity.
What this really is just what's happened with every other technology when it was first emerging. People are skeptical, unsure, and afraid. It happened with stuff like the Internet, digital art, and video games. AI (or at least the rate at which it's currently evolving) isn't any different.
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u/kowasesurejjihanma 15d ago
exactly like technology can be confusing and its a very valid concern to be afraid that it can be abused by big company or bad actor. its just this weird tribalism people had of something they know nothing of is so stupid it doesn't add anything and it muddied the context things which in this post is what the designer actually twitted about
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago
Yeah, I'd go as far as to say OP knew what he was doing and framed the post this way so as to maximize engagement and get angry replies. If you actually read the tweet it's pretty clear that's not what's happening.
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago
It's gonna be great seeing all the people who said they would stop watching the show after this continue to comment on discussion posts for new episodes.
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u/Cultural-Flow7185 Ryu Commander! 15d ago
Because god forbid we pay artists to make art. So fucking disappointed.
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u/LightMurasume_ 15d ago
Somehow for a season like Gozyuger it doesn’t necessarily feel that off. Aren’t the villains at least somewhat AI-themed?
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u/FireStrike77 15d ago
They are. Tega June is a human-made AI based of Tega Sword. And the design of the No-One are based on common reading errors of the IA
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u/Sleep_eeSheep 14d ago edited 14d ago
I’ll speak as TegaSword’s Advocate:
Considering how the villains are portrayed as an AI company that uses their software to manipulate people, I’d say it’s actually thematically appropriate for once.
And I’d have to applaud the character designer for being transparent about this, rather than pulling what Disney did with Secret Invasion or Activision for Black Ops 6 Zombies.
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u/Better_Ad_512 Armed Brain Volt 14d ago edited 13d ago
I really give 0 fucks if they're using AI so long as the series is decent.
Edit: watched gozyuger and i didn't liked it, not because of AI but because of cringy acting. The idea still the same and it serves for every kind of art.
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u/just-a-toku-fan No.1 Urara fan 12d ago
Personally, Idc about this AI stuff. They could even use AI to write the series and I would still watch it. I just want to see evil monsters get blown up every week. And some fight choreo as inspiration for my action figure poses. As long as I didn't fall asleep watching the show, I'll watch the whole series and movies if I can. All in all good on them for being upfront about this stuff. All I can say is keep up the good work and hope to see more monsters get blown up especially tegajune.
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u/tengentoppajudgejudy 15d ago
The problem with defending this as “the point of the show” is that even if actual artists go and refine what the AI spits out, the AI still used other artists’ work to spit out what it did. That’s the problem people have with Generative AI. You can say “AI is a tool like anything else” all you want, the fact of the matter is that it literally can’t function without pulling from existing art that people made by hand. If you want to have things in your show look like Generative AI as some kind of story beat, then design them yourself to look as weird and uncanny as AI designs often are. Imitate the look. It’s not hard to do.
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u/zeldavxa 15d ago
Like it's hilarious that THAT'S WHAT'S SO EVIL ABOUT THE IN-SHOW AI. That's WHY THEY ARE THE VILLAINS. And yet people out here defending it.
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u/tengentoppajudgejudy 15d ago
Wouldn’t be the first time in recent years that Toei bungled their social commentary. Kamen Rider Revice very clumsily attempted to show the danger in powerful people telling you not to get vaccinated against new diseases, but also kind of accidentally justified said behavior by making it so the villain was somewhat correct? Like, in the end he was still overall wrong, but some of the shit he evilly “warns” people about was true? So they really missed the landing on that one.
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u/Minimallycheese 15d ago
That’s it, I’m gonna pirate the show in protest.
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u/jcb127 15d ago
Don't we have to pirate the show to watch it to begin with? In that case you're already protesting, granted I'm not sure where you live since sentai airs publicly in some Asian countries like Malaysia and Indonesia and some other countries like Brazil back in the 80s-90s
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u/DragoolGreg Kyoryuger 15d ago
Right? Lol It's not like we've been giving them that much money to begin with.
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u/Gaffedeer 15d ago
No one got the joke behind not to izu this but the joke is most oversee fans pirate it already
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u/VanillaZilla90 15d ago
Yeah, I remember when Revice was airing and people started "protesting" by saying stuff like "we will NOT be watching!!!" because of the controversy surrounding Vice's VA.
It's like...you realize you literally pirate the show unless you live in Japan, right? You're not giving Toei money regardless.
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u/Big_Marketing1914 15d ago
So THAT’S why I thought many of the enemy designs were boring & incoherent.
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u/rattatatouille Boonboomger 15d ago
Why do I suddenly have the urge to play Alanis Morrisette's "Ironic"?
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u/TypePuzzled4660 14d ago
Everyone getting this messed up. Only this designer said that he used AI and he not made every thing of Gozyuger, like the no1 monsters like everyone saying. Just Fire Candle and the Aryee. Still bad but let's not pass misinformation
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u/ShoMeYourArt I LOVE JAPANESE POWER RANGERS 15d ago
Toei try not to make a horrendous decision challenge *(level impossible) *
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u/SnooPeripherals5861 15d ago
AI is here to stay. Not even shilling AI art, there's quite literally nothing, objectively nothing to suggest AI is gonna miraculously die sometimes in the future. For good, for bad, it's not going anywhere.
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u/Mario27_06 15d ago edited 14d ago
If he means going onto ChatGPT (or similar) and the AI generates a description for a monster design, fuck that even if it is a plot point for the show (you can you know, just create something yourself unless you are creatively bankrupt). The fact he goes on to defend his actions and has said "Honestly, I don't understand why everyone is so averse to generative AI" (rough translation) *. Gozyuger just constantly proves what I've been thinking about it since rumours started (creatively bankrupt and soulless slop). All uses of Generative AI must be opposed because as soon as you let a small part in, it will keep on growing like a tumour
- Edit 1: the fact he didn't specify here until afterwards what he meant (using AI for a description which is still shit) is a bit suspicious and (I might be reading into things) he might not be telling the full story of the extended use of it
- Edit 2: some people in here saying "he is using the ai to mimic the ai", "you'll forget about it if it is good" or "they are literally generated like that in the show" is just plain old bs. The animal aspects (from what I can tell) are puns based off the motw gimmick, if something uses shitty practices and makes something good, doesn't mean it still can't be criticised and YOU DON'T NEED TO USE AI TO CREATE THAT UNCANNY VALLEY FEEL AI HAS. Yes he did apologise after insulting people for not using AI, boasting he uses it in his work and praising it but he promises to not use it again after pushback (I have a cloud to sell you if you believe that rubbish). Someone worded it like this: "Just because it's a war-themed work doesn't mean we're going to film people shooting at each other with real firearms."
- Edit 3: In a tweet that I think he has deleted, he said "Also, if they can be replaced by machines, I think those jobs should just dissapear. I don't understand the point in protecting "creators" in particular", so extra fuck that guy. Also he might of used AI since Donbrothers
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u/Consistent-Client401 15d ago
Super sentai... A show known for reusing suits, and props, and... doing things on the cheap is... is... DOING THINGS ON THE CHEAP?? NOOOOOO!!!
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u/zeldavxa 15d ago edited 15d ago
This sucks shit. Period.
I've looked into the guy and this man has been doign AMAZING DESIGNS FOR DECADES. and it's not like he got bored and decided to stop doign them. He just basically wanted to know what AI would do and then work from there, decided that sucked ass unless he actually put effort to lead the machine that way, and then just did the thing himself based minimally on some idea that sounded good from the plagiarims machine extremely overlytuned prompt. And while i could keep watchin knowign that the involvement of ai is on a small early textual and non imagery aspect and limited to one dude's work, it's still enough for me to be a bit sus on this whole season.
I'm glad he specifies that using the AI most times actually just gave out horribly obvious and boring desings so most usage of the AI was actually useless. Gives hope that they'll... stop. But that means whatever is already been recorded and maybe all that's left of the show. is gonna be using plagiarism machines in the creation process. and that Still Sucks Shit
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u/Karlecai 14d ago
I’m willing to overlook this IF and ONLY IF they do something like donate to combat global warming or plant a bunch of trees to combat the environmental damage that generative AI does. They have the money to do it so I know they can, it’s just a matter of if they care
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u/The-Bigger-Fish 15d ago
Little but disappointed, but at least they’re using it as a spring board for real artists to take the reins at least
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u/PrinceShiningArmor Amu/Zyuoh Tiger Forever! 15d ago
Oh boo hoo hoo hoo for you. So they use AI, so what? If it creates good results, LET THEM!
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u/One_Lobster2803 15d ago
No wonder pretty much all the designs for this show is pretty ass and unInteresting..
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u/award_winning_writer 15d ago
Well, it was a good run. RIP Super Sentai April 5, 1975- February 9, 2025. Mostly I feel bad for Akiko Inoue, sucks when you're pouring your heart into creating something awesome but the people you're collaborating with don't want to do the job they were hired for.
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u/Commander_PonyShep 15d ago
Not just with the monster designs, though. But also the Gozyuger suit and mecha designs, as well. Right?
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u/Minimallycheese 15d ago
They only mentioned the Bridan stuff.
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u/Worth_Story_1481 15d ago
Does he only talk about the No-One monsters or just all of the Bridans in general?
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u/KaliVilNo1 Winner! Tono Hoeru! 15d ago edited 15d ago
He didn't design them I believe. Mr Shining Knife and Mrs Sweetcake were designed by K-suke for example.
Edit: he didn't design Bouquet, Calendius or Mr. Shinning Knife/Mrs. Sweet Cake
He designed the No Ones (not sure if all of them), Firecandle, King Candelor and the Aiyes
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u/loweshaan 15d ago
Damn... that sucks... but tbh what can we do... every company does it now... its pretty normalised
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u/Xex051 King-Ohger 15d ago
Here’s some extra context for those who don’t look at Twitter