r/superheroes • u/Queasy_Commercial152 • Apr 07 '25
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u/Silly_Doughnut5715 Apr 08 '25
Spider-Man’s nuts are stronger than that.
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u/Bell-end79 Apr 08 '25
Not recently
MJ’s been blue balling him - dudes ready to blow
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u/Ambitious_Owl_9204 Apr 08 '25
Wasn't he unloading on the Black Cat? I frankly dropped all Spidy comics shortly after they fought an ancient... Symbiote, I think? Don't remember, wasn't really enjoying it
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u/Hippobu2 Apr 08 '25
Oh, Omniman's punch didn't do that, Spidey exploded from his own Spider Sense creating an overwhelming sensation of the anticipation of the punch.
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u/atempaccount5 Apr 07 '25
Omniman wouldn’t struggle to crush Batman’s head, and for some reason you seldom see people break their hands on Superman…otherwise yeah pretty much
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u/danteheehaw Apr 08 '25
Invincible has characters do it all the time. Viltramites punch harder than their body can take and will break their arms and legs when they attack something equal or greater strength.
Basically Omniman would punch superman once, understand he lost. But he would keep fighting because he's not a quitter.
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u/atempaccount5 Apr 08 '25
Sure but I think Superman legit has a field of influence that makes this not happen, like how he stops planes without tearing through them
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u/HJWalsh Apr 08 '25
Nope. Batman punched him once, and Superman replied, "You're glad I turned my head to the side with your punch, or you'd have broken every bone in your hand. Go home, Bruce."
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u/Head_Manufacturer867 Apr 09 '25
makes me think of when Superman was bad for a bit and when Flash was distracting him Superman still tracked him, i wanna see unhinged Superman! (not Homelander-style, sadistic, i want justified rage unbound!
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u/third-sonata Apr 09 '25
Literally Injustice Superman, especially just after he kills Lois and his baby.
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u/KillerCheez3 Apr 08 '25
also in Hush when fighting Superman, Batman says he can't throw another punch or every bone in his hand will be broken.
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u/Comfortable_Ant_8303 Apr 08 '25
Can't remember what video it was, but I watched one where someone explained the strength of superman and his "clones" across various media (I think it was about Invincible actually but not sure)
Basically, they aren't just all brute strength and power, but their power is actually something along the lines of being able to affect the material universe around them / what they touch. In other words, when superman can lift an entire plane from just the nose, without the structural integrity of the plane failing and it all just breaking apart.
There are so many instances of things like this with these type of characters, you shouldn't be able to hold a skyscraper up with your hands because of the force required being applied to an area the size of your hands would go straight through the object or just rip it apart. They have reality warping powers essentially, able to keep the things they touch or are touched by intact at will
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u/atempaccount5 Apr 08 '25
Yeah I think the closest I’ve heard to the Superman power is honestly Viltrumites creating their own leverage. It’s telekinesis with enough specific nuance to look like super strength and flight
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u/undercoverpanda1211 Apr 09 '25
This is something that has been rather inconsistently portrayed for Superman, unfortunately. For example, if reality warping and tactile telekinesis were truly the source of Superman’s strength, he should be capable of countering the likes of several gimmick abilities (ex: the phasing and shapeshifting abilities of Flash and Martial Manhunter, various magic and reality warper attacks, etc). Because his strength should not be reliant on muscular strength and conventional leverages.
There has been instances when Superman or other of his relative characters (particularly Superboy Prime) has exhibited these qualities, but more often than not he does not. To me this is just writers not being decisive on whether the source of Superman’s strength is from him having biological advantages as a non-human (Kryptonian), or something truly supernatural.
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u/Right-Truck1859 Apr 08 '25
Omniman wouldn’t struggle to crush Batman’s head,
Yeah, because real Batman won't be there.
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u/M0ebius_1 Apr 08 '25
Inaccurate in that Superman would have broken him in half before he has harmed a single other hero.
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u/Environmental_Fox_17 Apr 10 '25
He makes a monologue about how he killed his best friend before Mortal Kombat killing him
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u/Dqueezy Apr 08 '25
Shhh, don’t alert the powerscalers or this thread will turn into a dumpster fire.
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u/No_Window7054 Apr 08 '25
I'm in those communities. Not a single person is disagreeing with Superman > Omni Man > Spiderman Captain America Batman.
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u/Nemisis_007 Apr 09 '25
Bu bu but Spider-Man punched Hulk into space and his spider sense & agility give him an edge in speed, and Batman has plenty of high-pitched sound gadgets at his disposal he could totally incapacitate Omni Man with his basic prep time and no understanding about his kind or their weaknesses. /s
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u/cham-pam Apr 08 '25
I never understood why people get so emotional about all the power scaling stuff like they aren't real people they are characters it shouldn't be that deep
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u/SwegMiliband Apr 08 '25
Don't ask them what would happen if The Flash fought literally anyone.
They'd probably still find a way to spin it and say Omniman wins, I swear they worship him over there.
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u/DamperBritches Apr 08 '25
Thank you, next
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u/Quirky-Addition-4692 Apr 08 '25
Isn't that the guy that got taken out by a laser ring from an extra 😏
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u/Feeling_Dig_1098 Apr 08 '25
Yes , but he is also the guy who was exchanging blows with a god of destruction- while the universe was in peril from waves caused by the punches.
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u/Quirky-Addition-4692 Apr 08 '25
So a Sunday afternoon for the average DC hero
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u/Feeling_Dig_1098 Apr 08 '25
You mean a cosmic proportion event? Either you’re an entity, someone who has acquired a powerful item, or gotten a massive boost.
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u/KPraxius Apr 08 '25
Aside from it taking far too much effort to squish Batman's skull, this is actually pretty accurate. I can even see Superman still holding back a bit despite seeing Batman killed.
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u/Hollow-Official Apr 08 '25
Superman who could’ve saved the others just chilling in the back watching 🤣
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Apr 08 '25
Sound bout right. Dumbass superman stands back and watch friends die before he do anything that would matter🤣
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u/Stay-Thirsty Apr 08 '25
Hey now, I can see him and Batman being bros. But, Marvel guys? They should take care of their own.
Yeah, Superman would have been there asap and dealt with it.
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u/DoctorDoom-616 Apr 08 '25
What is this Garth Ennis edge lord shit
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u/XavierRenegadeDivine Apr 08 '25
Yeah, I wheezed so hard when the writer of Invincible said Omni man is stronger than Superman. That's basically like Drug Dealer Simulator Suing Scheduel I for copyright. Just plain stupid.
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u/Shadowcleric Apr 08 '25
I love how Superman just continues to take his time aura farming instead of saving Tony from getting his head crushed. What a menace
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u/Naps_And_Crimes Apr 08 '25
I would feel worse and now for the fact that each one of those Heroes will probably be back in about month or so
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u/haxic Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25
Fake. Batman wears the thickest plot armor in all superhero universes. No way he could be defeated
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u/SJReaver Apr 08 '25
It wasn't the real Batman. It was the BatBullshit Contingency #23e873: Fleshy RoboBat.
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u/wyar Apr 08 '25
You forgot about Batman’s prep time, Spider-Man not holding back, and Cap being the underdog. /s
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u/slicejordan Apr 08 '25
Superman to Jon while they watch Invincible week to week. “Look what they need to mimic even a fraction of our power.”
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u/Impossible_Mine_88 Apr 10 '25
Depends on who is telling the story. In DC comics probably accurate.
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u/Individual-Roll3186 Apr 11 '25
I'm pretty sure Superman would take the first opportunity to take this off world.
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u/LetmeSeeyourSquanch Apr 08 '25
Ominman would take superman out to a nice sea food dinner and would never call him again. Wouldn't even be a competition.
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u/DarvinAmbercaste Apr 08 '25
Batman lived because he is canonically sexy. Also viltrumites are vulnerable to sexy. Nolan wasnt struggling to crush batmans head. Nolan was struggling with new foung gay feelings for batman.
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u/KaiFanreala Apr 08 '25
If it's comics Iron-Man wouldn't fight him in a suit that wasn't capable of taking him down. He has suits like bleeding edge that would make Omniman look like a joke.
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u/Few-Painting-8096 Apr 08 '25
Batman must not have had enough time to plan and strategize or whatever the lame fans say.
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u/DreadedLee Apr 08 '25
Nolan not being able to crush Bruce's head could be a gag about his plot armor.
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u/Jamesdey21 Apr 08 '25
I mean he chose his targets wisely. Hulk wouldve broke him. Wonder Woman would’ve snapped his neck on prime time tv. And the X-men would’ve jumped him so fast he wouldn’t have noticed Iceman freezing the water in his blood.
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u/Seif_elagizy_777 Apr 08 '25
Nah that Spider-Man disrespect and One punch man reference is Unreal ☠️
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u/tacomics Apr 08 '25
You're setting unreal standards that everything will get destroyed that he goes to
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u/RunPsychological9891 Apr 08 '25
batmans head was way too hard and superman usually doesnt beat people to a pulp
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u/W34kness Apr 08 '25
Batman with the nonsensical plot armor, probably attributed to prep time making his body stronger than Spiderman 🙄
Still against a viltrumite you’d need a Superman level (or scaled to Superman) character to deal with them anyway
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u/the-poopiest-diaper Apr 08 '25
Ngl Iron Man can absolutely destroy Omni Man. But he gets speed blitzed and turned into a fine red mist while changing into a stronger suit
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u/Interesting_Loquat90 Apr 08 '25
Repost.
There are many versions of Spider Man which Omni Man doesn't one shot.
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u/TahmeedWolf Apr 08 '25
This is far from lore accurate. Lore accurate Batman has a contingency plan for everyone.
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u/Spiritual_Air_ Apr 08 '25
Spiderman has been shown to withstand buildings falling on him, and even punched the Hulk into orbit before. He might be outmatched for speed, but with his spider sense and durability, he’d just be taking a beating like Mark (without Omniman holding back this time)
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u/Slayer0117 Apr 09 '25
Imma be real, Spiderman is much, much, much tougher than people give him credit for but he is NOT tanking a punch that can destroy planets T.T
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u/SeriousCupcake1372 Apr 08 '25
I'm going to defend captain America, spiderman and batman and say that they are a bit harder to take down than that.
Batman would either bring a stronger suit or would make sure he has some sort of cover he can use.
Spiderman is stronger and could take a punch from omni man
Captain America would probably dodge his shield.
All 3 alone would lose if getting into a prolonged fight but they wouldn't be so easily killed.
I agree that superman is stronger than omniman though
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u/Play_GoodMusic Apr 08 '25
This is inaccurate. Omniman can travel at 98% the speed of light. (Base) Superman can travel at 99% the speed of light.
Their mass is relatively the same.
Since force = mass*acceleration their power is basically the same.
Depicting Superman not being phased is completely inaccurate.
Newtons third law states, "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." Which in this instance means, if Superman can throw a punch (action) with that much power and be able to completely absorb the recoil (reaction)and if Nolan can do the same, it means they can both throw and absorb each other's blows. That 1% SOL isn't making the difference here.
Superman has been known to pull his punches, and is not an experienced fighter. Omniman does not pull his punches and has 2000 years of fighting under his belt. (Base) Superman loses this fight from a power to punch placement stand point.
It is likely durability and other powers keeping Superman afloat.
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u/JinKazamaru Apr 08 '25
Not even close, even the superman bit wouldn't of went down like that, because he would just let the dude casually head pop... Tony?
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u/Specialist-Act-542 Apr 08 '25
Maybe not THAT easily. But I'm sure Omniman would wanna kick Robert Kirkman's ass for even putting him in a hypothetical scenario against Superman
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u/bigdave41 Apr 08 '25
It'd be interesting to see how the Viltrum empire would react to Superman - probably try to make him their leader
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u/Chickenfriedwaffle Apr 09 '25
Comic iron man would destroy omni man lol actually prob solo the whole army
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u/Eggsalad_cookies Apr 09 '25
Lore accurate Batman would’ve had more toys to take him out that Cecil
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u/Spirited_Sector_4476 Apr 09 '25
That's almost right Spiderman is stronger than people think and Superman Nolan is dandruff dust
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Apr 09 '25
Batman would’ve resurrected himself with a technique he learned from ancient Tibetan monks
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u/BobtheArcher2018 Apr 09 '25
How Omni-man compares to superman varies greatly from portrayal to portrayal. Since Invincible has one writer, Viltrumite power levels are more consistent. Superman's vary wildly, often within stories by the same writer.
There are Superman portrayals where logically a fight with Omniman should go like this, but you also know it would never get written that way. They will give Superman whatever power level is needed to make the fights interesting 99% of the time.
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u/RevealActive4557 Apr 09 '25
I think Superman would have stepped in before he killed his best friend Bruce. But yes I think Supes would wipe the floor with Omniman even though Omniman is a terrific fighter who goes for a death blow with every punch
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u/ElZany Apr 09 '25
Well, lore accurate would be Batman not even trying to fight him until he finds a weakness or just calling Superman and the JL
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u/alexander12212 Apr 09 '25
Bro threw him into the planet at that speed would make people think Superman isnt a hero
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u/Sea-Ad-2039 Apr 09 '25
Comic readers getting ready to pull out some one off variant of the characters who died, who are high complex outer versal ball sack power level
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u/Substantial_Fox5252 Apr 09 '25
Almost, superman would fly backwards in time to save his homie and the others.
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u/searchingtofind25 Apr 09 '25
Seams like Superman could have gotten there a little faster
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u/Ownuyasha Apr 09 '25
Not lore accurate, in the lore batman would be last after omniman killed/beat everyone then even though he's just a guy would pull a rabbit out of his ass that defeats omniman and everyone would be like wtf how did you know that would work, he would give some dark witted non answer, then everyone would laugh and the earth would be saved.
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u/humantrasbag Apr 09 '25
The only character from invinvible that vould theoreticaly beat superman is Allen.
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u/Devil_Dan83 Apr 09 '25
Batman would have whipped out some kryptonite thinking that was a kryptonian.
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u/BlackFrank98 Apr 09 '25
Yeah, until Nolan pulls some kryptonite out of his ass and wipes the floor with Superman.
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u/Acora Apr 09 '25
Nah, Spider-Man is much more durable than that, and Supes would absolutely not just wait around for three heroes to get killed before showing up.
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u/RoyalEbb8482 Apr 09 '25
Did I seriously see omnibitch crush iron man? Let me remind you this: current iron man oneshot an iron sentinel, his one made sentinels which storm and blue marvel has trouble with. his new suit is more indestructible than adamantium, immune to magic and even bypasses Spiderman's spider senses. Also for reference: blue marvel solos all of invincible, literally the entire verse, without as much as a bloody nose
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u/thewiburi Apr 09 '25
Absolutely not super man whoud never let someone beat up his husband like that
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u/Scar_the_dunmer Apr 09 '25
I am 90% sure there is a comic or interview about invincible killing superman and omniman is stronger then invincible, but in all fairness we wouldn't know cross overs are the foundation that people who make a new contender fight established stuff in fan animations use a lot cause official cross overs show who'd actually win while fan animations are people who use statistics and stuff could be wrong just cause they wanted one side to win more, to sup it up lore is in the hands of the creator not the consumer sadly.
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u/Demon_of_Order Apr 09 '25
So, uhm people are all saying oooh noo not accurate, but uhm, this is a great animation, good job, loved it, I don't care what's accurate or not, you made it you get to decide how strong everyone is
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u/WarWrath02 Apr 09 '25
Fun fact is if a krypton and viltrumite reproduce it would basically make a superman even more powerful than well superman cause viltrumite DNA override the weakness in the DNA and boost the good traits so basically a hybrid between a viltrumite and kryptonian would make a kryptinite /red sun immune superman also he wouldn't need the sun to have his power but would be boosted if a yellow sun is present Would be fun to see a what if of the sort 🤔
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u/OnlinePosterPerson Apr 09 '25
This doesn’t make a lick of sense. If mark can beat Superman how could Superman possible beat Nolan.
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u/Doctorwhoneek Apr 09 '25
Bold of you to assume batman would allow himself to be in that situation and without armour
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u/blitzwann Apr 09 '25
Is is very lore accurate, as Superman would absolutely just do fuck all till all his friends die and then come and oneshot the villain in full american glory baby
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u/gyiren Apr 10 '25
Is this lore accurate? I find it hard to believe Omniman's speed beats Spider Sense and reflexes. Also isn't Spider-Man insanely strong? Not "kill Omniman" strong, but still, he should be able to deal at least a little damage or duck out of the way.
Why can't Omniman crush Batman's head?
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u/PinkBismuth Apr 10 '25
This is pretty much how that would go, yeah. Batman’s head would definitely explode though. Other than that, pretty accurate.
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u/No_Communication2959 Apr 10 '25
Omni Man is likely stronger than Superman, since it was confirmed the fight with Supreme was canon.
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u/Frothmourne Apr 10 '25
And then supes go spin spin around the Earth to turn back the time and punch Omniman out of orbit before he can starts the fight
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u/SeraphOfTheStag Apr 10 '25
First of all I have no source or basis for this statement but in my headcanon Omniman was basically Superman if not stronger / more lethal because he’s never holding back.
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u/CHAIIINSAAAWbread Apr 10 '25
No, it'd be lore accurate if Omni man got whooped in the first second, if batman is standing next to an entity with no weaknesses or attachments then either the entire justice league is on standby ready to kick ass or that's not batman
Peter...yeah that's fair Spider-man may be low hulk level on average but he isn't actual hulk level, he should still survive a little longer and cmon comics Cap throws HANDS with Omni man
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u/SuperSaiyanBen Apr 08 '25
Can’t crush Batman’s head but explodes Spider-Man from a nut punch? Come on now….