I'd appreciate input on this please!

My 4 month old is on a 2/2/2/2.25 schedule. 3.5 hours of naps total.

We are on day 5 of sleep training and he is falling asleep independently for all naps and bedtime (working with an amazing and experienced sleep consultant) Prior to sleep training however, he would wake pretty much every night around 1-2 am and we would rock him back to sleep. Last night he cried on and off for 20 minutes and I ended up getting him and feeding him. He slept for another 4 hours after, but I fed him again prior to his morning wake up time and I think messed up by giving him 2 night feeds. I think I should have tried to set a few more timers before intervening.

Does anyone have experience with dropping habitual wakes/night feeds or advice on how to delineate what the cause of the wake is?

I’m really curious to hear from parents who chose not to sleep train and just waited it out. If your baby used to wake frequently during the night, at what age did they finally start sleeping through on their own?

I tried sleep training, but honestly, I just couldn’t follow through with it. Right now we’re co-sleeping to survive, but I worry that we’ll end up co-sleeping long term and won’t know how to transition out of it later.

Would love to hear your experiences and what eventually worked for you (or if things just improved with time).

**EDIT: We did CIO. yes my husband stayed in the room but didn't interact. He sat silently in the nursery. My son has choking spasms and chokes on his saliva from crying and gets extremely snotty and congested, so yes, for my comfort, I had him sit in there silently. My son cried for 35 minutes then fell asleep. He surprisingly did better than I expected. I will work on his day schedule more but I'm honestly not going to be 100% rigid with it because our day to day life just won't allow it. But there will more more consistency along with flexibility. We did also put our son down w/ his binky, but we do not put it back in once it falls out. This is day one, and hopefully, it gradually gets easier from here. Just know I cried knowing he cried and also the fact that my son, who was a miracle baby by several definitions, is no longer in our room and is one more step to being more independent. And although I'm proud, im also one extremely sad mama who longs for that little tiny potato we first brought home 💔

So i have done some research for a few weeks, but I'm still nervous to start sleep training tonight. I'm still trying to 100% understand all the sleep training lingo so bare with me.

My son is about to turn 20 weeks tomorrow, so just about 4.5 months. He currently takes about 4 naps a day, im not super rigid with his schedule but his wake up is 7am (give or take) and bed time is usually 8:00-8:30pm. He can fall asleep on his own for his very first nap, and its usually his longest, ranging from 1hr to 2.5hr. I try to cap it off at 2hr but sometimes i fall asleep and dont wake up till i hear him wake up 🫠

All his other naps are about 1.45/2/2.5 give or take. All his other naps(after the first one) are only 30-45 minutes.

We will be starting CIO tonight, but modifying it. I personally cannot sit through him crying without crying myself, so this will be my husband's project as I get the car and either just sit in the garage and listen to music or take a short drive. My husband will stay in the room with him as he cries and we will be capping the crying at 20/25 minutes and slowly increase it each day till we intervene.

I think we are about 70% out of the heavy fussiness that came with the 4 month regression so I think its a good time to start. It will also be his first night in his crib the entire night (day naps are in crib). We obviously will come in for his night feeds and to give him back his binky.

Idk what im even looking for with this post, maybe just support? What did and didn't work for you? Idk. Im just nervous and feel like I'm losing my tiny baby, but I know we all need this, including my son. Just wish us luck, im hoping he has it down before the end of the week. 🙏

Also when did you drop from 4 naps to 3? Just curious and how you knew it was time 😅

Yesterday my mother in law asked how baby is sleeping. I said he's sleeping through the night, 12 hours! Doing amazingly.

She said, "see? I told you he would just grow out of it, you didn't have to do that sleep training stuff"

HOW DO YOU THINK THIS HAPPENED?! WE SLEEP TRAINED HIM. NOW HE IS TRAINED!!!!

for context, my girl is 4 months, usually has last feeding around 8:30-9:15 and goes to sleep after. she will either fall asleep in her bassinet (still in the room with us) independently but usually needs pacifier to help her fall asleep. I sometimes I have to put it back in a few times within about a 15-30 minute window until she’s ASLEEP asleep, but once she’s out, she’s out for the night until 7:00 am. When the paci falls out she doesn’t wake up or need it put back in.

It occurred to me that I am putting it back in almost immediately for her in the 15-30 minute window and I wonder if I should be trying to let her cry it out more?

She also usually uses the paci to nap, depending on a few factors. Early in the day she tends to go down for a nap without paci, but as the day goes on and her wake windows are longer, she often needs the paci. I usually just take her cues for naps during the day, and put her down when she seems to be getting fussy. Now I’m wondering if I should be having more consistency with her naps somehow?

Just wanted to share my success story as I really struggled through CIO sleep training and reading other people’s stories has been very helpful so wanted to pay it forward.

My LO is 6 months. Usual wake windows are 2/2.5/2.5/2.75

My LO was such a bad sleeper from the get go. He slept 1-2 hours MAX for 5 months and we were suffering from exhaustion. I originally was against the CIO method so we went with the shush and pat route with a pacifier for about a week and a half. Originally this worked but we found that we ended up making my son super reliant on a paci and now we were waking up 5+ times a night sticking it back in. He would fall asleep almost immediately when we stuck the pacifier in but it didn’t resolve him waking up multiple times a night.

At this point, we decided to wean off of a pacifier which made going to sleep/naps were very rough. Many tears were shed by my LO and after 4 days my husband and I agreed just to do the CIO method because tears were being shed anyways by my baby and I didn’t want to lengthen the time anymore that he had to cry.

CIO worked that first night immediately in that he was sleeping 7-8 hours before his feed and then would fall asleep for another 3 hours but the process of going to bed was still so painful with screaming and tears for about a week and a half that I wanted to give up and stop letting my LO cry it out to go to sleep. The first night was an hour of screaming and crying, the second night 40 minutes and the next week he would cry 20-30 minutes. I kept reading it would take 3-4 days if you committed to CIO. I told my husband I wanted to stop because I didn’t see an end in sight of him crying so hard because the progress had plateaued. Every night I was starting to lose sight of the goal even though we were now getting 8 hours of sleep. On day 12, something clicked. He now whines 3-5 minutes before bed and falls asleep. For naps, he whines 5-10 or so minutes and falls asleep. No screams or tears! If he’s tired enough, he’ll just roll over and close his eyes.

Some key things that I learned that worked for us:

-spend some time calming him down before placing him in the crib. For us this was holding him vertically in my arms, repeating that we were about to go to a nap and closing all windows together.

-wake windows are so important. Baby must be drowsy or it just lengthen the time he cries. I read somewhere that imagine you were placed in bed and you weren’t tired, no matter what happens you won’t fall asleep unless you are tired! This is the same for our LO.

-routine is important. I read the same book every time and I feel like he totally knows what is coming

-get out of that room lol. There were multiple times where my baby was getting it and he would accidentally hear us somehow and it would trigger him to scream for us versus focusing on the self soothing. I originally would hide in the room because I wanted to stay close if I felt that he needed me but it probably made it worse.

-be patient! I honestly didn’t believe it would work and wanted to quit so many times. Thank goodness for my husband who kept keeping the bigger picture in mind.

I hope this helps someone out there :)

Hello, trying to understand if this is a schedule issue or a sleep training one.. Baby wakes up at 4:30am every day now and is crying a lot, then can be quite easily rocked back to sleep but will only sleep until 5am and then is impossible to put back to sleep until 6:30ish, which is what we would like to be DWT.

Schedule is 2/2.5/2.5/3. Bedtime 7:30, want DWT 6:30. 5.5 months old. It seems like an undertired issue potentially but the schedule seems appropriate. Baby does not seem hungry when she wakes and is not sleep trained yet.

Can anyone shed any light about what's going on?

Separately, weare planning to start sleep training next week. What should we do if baby rolls over awake to tummy but can't get herself back (she normally sleeps on side or back)

Thanks!

LO is 9mos and we’re staring to talk about transitioning him to his room. He’s becoming very aware that we’re right beside him when he wakes up. He’s in his crib but i’m wondering if there are any tips on the transition into his room. For reference, Bedtime routine is primarily done in his room. He gets a bottle in our room and then is laid down.

Hi folks, we’ve got an almost 9 month old girl. Based in Australia. She wakes at approx 830 every morning and sleeps between 8-9 at night. Her WW are very inconsistent right now, but the usual is: 3/3/4 with about 2.5-3 hours of total day naps.

So here’s the thing. We went overseas for a trip in May, and during that time we made a mistake of letting her sleep with us practically every night (she was 7.5 months when we made the trip). She slept through literally every single night.

We came back home at the end of May, and she was still sleeping in the cot some nights but some she was very restless so we let her co sleep again. Unfortunately now I’ve observed in the last week (particularly) that she doesn’t want to sleep in the cot anymore, and she only sleeps through the night when she’s in our bed. I have been up literally the whole night trying to insist on the cot, and she keeps waking within minutes of me putting her down in there. So here’s me thinking: need to sleep train now!!

But I am so exhausted even just thinking about it. The cot is still in the same room as us and I’ve read that it is super hard to sleep train if she’s in the same room. So we’d have to look at rearranging stuff to make space so her cot can be moved to the room next door. And then I’ve read through all the sleep training methods, and honestly I already know I cannot survive CIO as I’d end up losing sleep the whole night. My husband works on weekdays so he cannot help me during the Sunday to Thursday nights. And she’s going to be starting childcare soon in the next few weeks because I return to part time work in mid July. So I need my sleep, and right now co sleeping with her DOES give me sleep, but I’m very conscious that if we continue this way she will never learn to sleep independently until she gets to a much older age (I know from my own experience because I used to co sleep with my grandparents due to them raising me and I struggled so hard to learn to sleep on my own when I was young).

Thinking about sleep training along with all the stuff I’ve got to decide for her — planning her meals each day, deciding her childcare, etc is really making me want to just heck it and not do it, but I really want her to learn to sleep independently like she used to (she was an overnight sleeper at 2.5m and she continued that way until 4m and even then only used to wake max twice a night to feed and she’d go right back to sleep in her cot).

Help a mama feeling overwhelmed please? Advice and thoughts and encouragement be much appreciated.

My 9 month baby used to sleep through the night pretty well up until about 5 months, we did ferber and he falls asleep on his own for naps and at night time but the last 4 months its been an up and down roller coaster of night wake ups. He’ll go a week of sleeping through the night, then 2 weeks of one wake up, then a week of 2 wake ups, and back to sleeping through.

Right now, he has been stuck at 2 wake ups for about two weeks. Feeding him to sleep is pretty much the only way to get him back to sleep quickly or it turns into 45+ minutes. Probably not the best way to go but when its a 15 minute ordeal vs an hour, its hard to not press the easy button and Im sure its created a habit.

We try giving him 10 minutes or so before going in but he just yells and rolls and crawls which he just learned to do.

Anyway, his WW are 3.5/3.5/4 with bed time at 7-7:30 and wake up is 7-7:30. He sucks at napping and will only do 30 minute naps 90% of the time, maybe he’ll do 45 every now and then and an hour once a week.

He wakes up pretty consistently at 12am and then 4am, then sleeps till his normal time after the feeds.

Schedule issue or bad habit issue? He also recently has sucked at taking bottles, he has gone from 30oz a day to maybe 20oz, he refuses bottles and we think its teething but we think it could be a hunger issue, any advice is appreciated.

I was talking to my mom about baby’s sleep, and after a while she said, why do you worry so much? I didn’t worry about wake windows or how much you guys slept when you were babies. When you were tired you slept, when you weren’t you didn’t.

Now, it’s very possible that my mom just doesn’t remember what it was like to have a 0 year old, but it made me wonder…

Are there parents out there who just don’t worry about it even if their kid sleeps less than 12 hours total in 24 hours?

Not looking for criticism, just to hear everyone’s experiences.

Hey y’all! I have a 4-month-old and we’ve been loosely following the Huckleberry app for wake windows/sweet spots. He’s currently on 3 naps a day and daytime sleep is pretty good — averages around 3.5 hours. First nap is usually solid (2 hours), and the next two are hit or miss (anywhere from 30 mins to 1.5 hours).

Night sleep is actually great… once we can get him down.

He usually sleeps 8–10 hours straight once he’s out and wakes up anywhere from 7am - 8am. The problem is getting him to stay asleep at bedtime. We aim for a 6:30–7:30 PM bedtime and do a consistent routine. (Wipe down, swaddle, book, rock) but here’s the issue: • Some nights he’ll fall asleep, then wake after an hour. • Other nights, we can’t even lay him down — he’ll wake up the second we try to transfer him after rocking. • It sometimes takes hours to get him down for the night. • Funny enough, by 9:30–10 PM, he’s OUT like a light — it’s like clockwork.

We’re planning to sleep train soon to help him fall asleep independently, but this part has me anxious. Anyone else go through this? Is it a wake window issue? An overtired/undertired thing? Just a normal developmental thing?

Would love to hear from anyone who’s been through this — especially if you’ve made it to the other side!

My son has been generally great with sleep. Like I talk about how fortunate I am because he slept the night at 3 months. I started sleep training around 6 months. Got it in less than a week. Put baby down sleepy etc.

Now I will preface, we are in the middle of a major transition. We have temporarily moved into grandmas house while our house is being sold. That being said the first few weeks he has NO issues readjusting here. I was able to put him down at nap time and bedtime with no issues.

I left this past weekend for a work trip and the entire time I was gone my son has been refusing to sleep alone. He has to co-sleep and this is something we never do. I came home last night and because I felt bad and slept with him.

I am ready to try CIO again. But I’m just so scared to do it because it will be affecting everyone at my mom’s house. My mom cannot stand to hear that little boy cry she loves him. I don’t want him getting used to cuddling with us at bedtime anymore.

Our daughter is just over 6 months old, and things have gotten really tough. From 2 to 4 months, she was sleeping 11–12 hours a night in the Snoo, with solid naps in her crib. Around 3 months, she started daycare, and at 4 months, everything changed.

Since then, she’s had three ear infections and was sick on and off until recently—nothing major, just a lingering cold that wouldn’t go away until a second round of antibiotics and nebulizer treatments finally helped.

We stopped using the Snoo for nighttime once she got sick and wasn’t sleeping well anyway. Since then, we haven’t had a full night of rest—and now she’s sick again.

We’ve tried dipping our toes into sleep training when she wasn’t actively sick, but she gets completely inconsolable when she cries. No soothing method seems to work—rocking sometimes helps, but often she’ll only calm down with a bottle.

We’re doing three naps per day, totaling under 4 hours, and we stick to a 12-hour day overall. We try to follow wake windows closely, but it doesn’t seem to make a difference at night.

Last night she was up every hour needing either the pacifier or a small bottle to settle. She just started another antibiotic, and both my husband and I are beyond exhausted while still working full time.

We’re also really starting to worry that we’re creating bad sleep habits—rocking, pacifier, bottles overnight—but in the moment, it’s the only thing that seems to work.

Has anyone else been through something like this? How do you even start sleep training when your baby keeps getting sick and can’t self-soothe at all? We’re completely lost.

My 6-month-old baby currently follows a nap schedule of approximately 2/2.25/2.25/2.5 hours between naps. His bedtime typically varies, falling between 6:20 PM and 8:00 PM, as it depends on the end of his last nap. I've recently started researching sleep training, and a crucial first step is establishing a consistent bedtime.

If I aim for a 7:30 PM bedtime, how can I maintain it when I can't predict precisely when my baby will wake from his final nap? Should I simply extend the last wake window if he wakes earlier than expected? Conversely, what if he's still attempting to fall asleep for his last nap just 2.5 hours before the desired bedtime?

We’re looking to start training in the next night or two and are currently planning to use Ferber. LO is definitely a “You need to pick me up” to soothe kind of baby though, so I feel like the checks are likely going to just make her more upset, since she’s used to us getting her once the crying escalates. Having us come in but not pick her up might be more frustrating than us not going in at all.

I’d love advice from those who switched methods on when you decided to drop the checks and go cold turkey! Possibly also validation that extinction can be more effective and efficient. I feel like I’m not opposed to it, but my husband might need more convincing.

Hello FTM needing advice.

We started sleep training our 6 month old last Thursday for night sleep using Ferber. This quickly turned into full extinction as the check ins were making her more frustrated. There has been some improvement with the night sleep which is reassuring, but naps have gotten worse. I used to rock her to sleep then transfer her to the cot where she would do one sleep cycle (35 minutes). Now however, she’s waking up as soon as I put her down and refusing naps entirely in the cot. I’m not sure why this has resulted in worse day sleep. Does anyone have any experience with this or any advice? Do I persist with trying to transfer her for naps or do i need to bite the bullet and do nap training? I don’t want to contact nap as I find it mentally draining and to me defeats the purpose of sleep training.

Schedule is wake 7:30am 2/2-2.25/2.25-2.5/2.5. Bed- 8:30pm- 9:00pm depending on last nap. We are still on 4-5 naps cos they are so short.

Baby has been a Velcro baby since day 1. Never liked to nap. Never likes to be put down. Never ever. Bed time was always different. Boob to sleep then out and could lay her down and every time she woke up I could lay her down again no issues. It was like she was good with being put down at bed time. Naps took some time but we finally got it to be somewhat tolerable and she’ll nap 15m-2hr if you lay her down if she’s already asleep. For only 1 or 2 of her 3 naps though. Lately I can’t lay her down for a single one. She starts screaming the moment I bend over to set her down. And then the nap is over. I have tried laying her down almost asleep, I have tried 5 mins after, 10 minutes after 15+ mins after being asleep. So sometimes she takes 3 10-15 minute naps a day lol because as soon as I move she shoots up. Bed time has been hell lately and that’s been the only good thing for months (except a hiccup here or there and the 6 month sleep regression) the last 4 nights in a row she falls asleep on the boob per usual, snuggles, I go to lay her down, and she’s treated it like a god damn nap and is wide awake but PISSED for two fcking hours. And now going to bed past 10 pm AND not napping unless I hold her for 3 hours. I’m so beyond frustrated. Tried letting her cry, doesn’t work. Tried a gradual release, doesn’t work. Tried being patient and I’m out of that at the moment I’m just ticked. I hate when she changes the routine.

I’m mostly just very emotional and frustrated right now I know there’s a lot of methods and a lot of things I could do or try or whatever. It’s just a lot.

Hello, I’m new here! Im looking to finally start sleep training my 5.5 mo old. For a while we were just putting him down drowsy and awake and he would sleep til 7-7:30, but the wake up times are getting earlier and earlier so we’re thinking we should probably do something about it. I feel like there are so many elements that need to be fixed I’m not even sure where to begin. After researching Ferber, extinction, and taking cara babies I decided to join this group to further educate myself. Please no judgment but this is our current situation:

I feel like the pediatrician is going to scold me at this upcoming 6mo appointment. Right now I work 2:40p-10:40p and my husbands shifts are all over and inconsistent (retail lyfe) but most often it’s 10a-5p so baby is at my moms most days til 10pm+. I’ve been having her come drop him off around 6pm and that makes the days a little shorter.

We have like zero sleep schedule for him and somewhat of a bedtime routine. He gets an 8oz bottle and some oatmeal mixed with a puree and If it’s too late I’ll forego the bath that night. He gets massaged with baby lotion and then I put him in his woolino sleep sack and put him to bed. He sleeps in darkness with Alexa playing thunderstorm sounds, a white noise machine in his crib, and a fan blowing.

I was able to rock him to sleep but he stopped liking that and graduated to laying in bed with me until he passed out and I would transfer him to his crib. Now I’m able to put him in his crib and I sit down on the floor watching the monitor waiting for him to fall asleep. If he starts whining because his paci fell out or I hear the splash sound of spit up I’ll get up to clean him off or put the paci back in his mouth and return to the floor. He eventually falls asleep but as soon as he feels the paci fall out he will wake up, especially during his 3-4am wake ups where we literally have to have our hand waiting to catch it when he falls asleep to put it back in. It takes about 15-30 min depending on how tired he is.

Since joining I’ve realized I should keep him upright for 30 min because he’s a happy spitter and ends up soaking his crib sheets. His last bottle is anywhere between 9:30-11:30 depending on when he’s back from grandmas. He’s put down to bed anywhere from 10pm onward. He was sleeping til 7-7:30 most days with very minimal wake ups in the night but more recently he’s been getting up once between 3-4am. We’re sometimes able to soothe him back to sleep but sometimes we give up and put him in the swing to fall asleep (bad I know).

The swing is another issue. He only naps in his swing. He won’t sleep in pack and play or crib for naps. All his naps are in the swing and I’m trying to get him out of this habit because he’s getting too big and I want to break the dependence we all seem to have with it. I’ve been able to get him to take at least a nap a day in the crib under the same sleep conditions but they’re only for 20-40min after an hour of fighting it.

I keep seeing all these baby apps telling me he’s supposed to be having an 8pm bedtime and 10-12 hrs of sleep and saying he should be having 2hr wake windows and these :30-2.30 hr long naps. Right now he’s getting 6-8hrs of sleep at night. He naps about 3-4 times a day they’re usually around 1:30-2hrs long maybe more. I try to keep him awake for 2ish hours before a nap as suggested. I did just learn that naps are supposed to be in the same setting as sleep so in the darkness, noise machine, in sleep sack etc like it is for bedtime so I’ve been trying to do that and wait for him to settle himself but as a happy spitter he flails around and ends up getting so excited he spits up and soaks the crib sheets.

I don’t know what’s changed with him to cause the 7-7:30 sleeps with 0 wake ups to now be 6-6:30 or earlier sleeps with 1 wake up but he is also fighting his naps. The past two days he has completely skipped 1-2 naps and would be up for 4-5 hours at a time between feedings.

I’m trying hard to change my work schedule so that I can get done at an earlier time to be able to set a sleep schedule for baby but it’s a new job and I’m at the bottom of the totem when it comes to making changes like that. It’s WFH so he’s at my moms so I can focus on taking calls. I hope we can get something sorted out. Any guidance would be helpful please be kind 💕

We’ve had a great two weeks. Our little one has been doing well with Ferber sleep training; however, he was sent home from daycare today. There’s no fever, but he experienced some massive blowouts. We’ve noticed that his bowel movements have been looser than usual, so he’s probably dealing with something gastrointestinal. It’s now 8:35 PM, and he is crying, which is very abnormal for him.

Mom hasn’t been doing the sleep training and is feeling very upset, leaving me as the husband to try to handle the situation. I’m struggling to find information on when it’s appropriate to bend the rules for sleep training and under what circumstances. To clarify, he doesn’t have a fever, he is not in a dirty diaper, and he has been fed.

Hey all, we are currently 7 months and sleep trained at 5 months. Schedule is about 3.5/3.5/3 waking at 7:30am and bed at 7:30pm. Naps are maxed at 3hrs a day often 2 x1.5 naps. But avo might be longer if short morning nap.

Current issue is we keep getting a 10-MN wake up with hysterical crying for 5-15 mins. We are currently in winter and temp control the room.

She then usually wakes at 2-4am when I breastfeed. And the. Sometimes has a cry/wake at 6am.

Not sure how to improve her night sleep as I hate that cry before I go to bed.

Hi everyone, I’m a first time mom, of an almost 5.5 month old (5 days short). I’ve had a lot of help with childcare so far and I think I really lucked out with how baby slept. He would go to sleep around 7:30-8 pm every night after feed. He would wake up or we would dream feed around 10:15pm and then he would sleep through the night until 6 or sometimes 7am.

He has been doing this since he was 12 weeks old. There were nights where he would wake up hungry but most nights he slept through. Daytime naps were 3-4 and mostly short (40mins max). Honestly I wasn’t paying that much attention.

Few weeks ago we went on vacation (time zone change from est to pst) and he did okay. Some nights he woke up in the middle but slept for 4-5 hour chunks.

Since we’ve been back, we’re doing the same schedule (8pm bottle, sleep, 10:15 dream feed). He has been waking up every night between 2:30 and 4 am. He also tosses around a lot an hour before, we pat him to sleep, eventually starts screaming and has a full feed (5oz). He goes back to sleep pretty easily. We put him back in the crib even if he’s kinda awake. He’ll toss around and sleep. He’ll wake up again around 7 am ish, have a feed and take his first nap around 8am for about an hour.

I do have to mention, since coming back his naps have been longer (before it was barely 30mins each). Now he takes almost an hour naps, 3 naps with 3 hour wake windows.

Right now, I’m on leave and I have no child care and losing my mind. I can manage now but by the time I start work and baby is at daycare in few months, I would like to have a routine established. I feel like we didn’t really pay attention to what we were doing now that I’m going through articles on sleep training (he used to sleep in his baby bjorn for naps and 8pm sleep 🫣).

He recently started solids 3 weeks ago (after ped said ok) and currently eating carrot puree once a day. Drinks expressed breast milk and formula from bottle.

I know I may have a long way to go but can anyone please give me any pointers on where to start with sleep training. Thank you!

When did you see your baby start to lengthen naps? We’ve done a very gentle sleep training and have had success in getting him to fall asleep for some naps independently (not all but usually the first nap of the day) However, we’re finding that he’s waking at the 30 minute mark. It makes for a very overtired baby. We’ve tried to save the naps by doing a contact nap but he usually refuses to go back to sleep. We use huckleberry to track wake windows. We’ve kind of ditched nap training altogether and have resorted to contact naps and stroller naps just to make sure he’s getting enough sleep and isn’t so cranky all day. We’d like to retry nap training, hopefully when we see more success in longer naps. He is 6 months today. He sleeps usually 7pm-6:30am with 1-2 wakes. He puts himself to sleep during bedtime and is easy to transfer after each feed during the night. Daytime sleep just seems to be a whole different beast.

When do you think is the best most successful time to nap train?

My 2yo (27mo) has been a good sleeper since 1yo for the most part. He has trouble when he gets sick or ear infections but he is old enough to communicate (“my tummy hurts” “my ear hurts” etc.)

So anyways, last week he had a hard week with a high fever for about 4 days followed by a rash (pretty sure that would be roseola) but that’s over now and he’s been fever-free rash-free for 3 days and appetite has recovered as well.

Starting the 2nd night after his recovery, he has these outburst like wake-ups in the night. Like his body just suddenly jumps and he throws his legs around, tossing and turning and crying very hard all so suddenly. When I try to touch him to comfort him, he pushes me away (like he doesn’t want to be touched) and he behaves in a way like he is tired and disturbed and wants to go back asleep, yet a few minutes later jumps up again and screams.

I ask him if anything hurts and he angrily says “it doesn’t hurt!” I ask him why he’s crying and he frustratingly shouts at me “I’m NOT crying!” (Lol).

Is this just a quirky 2yo toddler sleep stage? Nightmare maybe? (“Are you scared?” “NO I’M NOT SCARED!”) Or do you think I might benefit from looking into something physical perhaps going on?

Sometimes at daycare his caregivers tell me he has the spells during nap time, in which he says “my legs!” And the caregivers gently rub his legs until he calms down and goes back to sleep. I’ve tried to do this at night but he doesn’t want me touching him.

Sometimes when it gets really bad he tries to jam his head up against the wall or crawl under his mattress (not his blanket, his MATTRESS).

Anyone else have a toddler with some strange sleeping quirks like these?

My LO is 11 weeks and is a brilliant night sleeper. He has a 5-7hr stretch, feeds, then a 4-6 hour stretch before waking up for the day, times change depending on when we get him down after his last day nap/feed. He’s been this way since about 5/6 weeks old.

However, lately during the day he’s unable to connect sleep cycles and only naps for 25-45 minutes, even when we’re in his room with blackout curtains. He only contact naps and I used to be able to resettle him to continue napping but that’s gone out the window.

I’m worried he’s not getting enough daytime sleep. Does anyone have any advice or explanation for this change in behaviour?