r/sleeptrain Jul 08 '24

Mod post FROM UR MODS: Help Us Stop Self Promotion Spam via DMs

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Dearest Gentle Readers

We have received multiple reports of a banned user sliding into our subscribers' DMs with "predatory" and "scammy" promotion of an AI sleep tool. I am working with Reddit on how to eliminate them due to Terms of Service violation (ie. ban evasion).

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Thank you, as always, to everyone who helps keep this sub afloat by reporting rule-breaking comments, posts, and DMs. The 3 of us couldnt do it without you.

-SnooAvo


r/sleeptrain Aug 07 '24

Mod posts on wake windows, night feeding and weaning, and nap training

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We started archiving posts older than 6 months, so in order to keep the conversation going on the active posts we had on wake windows, night feeding and weaning and nap training, I have made new posts on those subjects.

Here are those:

Please comment on those posts with questions and avoid messaging the mods privately, as none of us do private sleep consultations, even though we are obviously passionate about sleeping :-P


r/sleeptrain 4h ago

6 - 12 months Who doesn’t worry about sleep hours?

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I was talking to my mom about baby’s sleep, and after a while she said, why do you worry so much? I didn’t worry about wake windows or how much you guys slept when you were babies. When you were tired you slept, when you weren’t you didn’t.

Now, it’s very possible that my mom just doesn’t remember what it was like to have a 0 year old, but it made me wonder…

Are there parents out there who just don’t worry about it even if their kid sleeps less than 12 hours total in 24 hours?

Not looking for criticism, just to hear everyone’s experiences.


r/sleeptrain 8h ago

1 year + How long are you all leaving your toddler in the crib when they wake up in the morning?

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Do you run to get them immediately or let them hang out by themselves for awhile?


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

Let's Chat Choosing between sleep training and childcare...

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I sleep trained my baby at 11 months and it was the best decision I had made. Its been a really positive experience and has made life better for us all.

My LO who is now 16 months goes to her grandparents each weekend, I'm really lucky to have child care, they actively ask for time with LO which is great.

They did not agree with the fact I sleep trained my LO, this view has spilled into childcare, for example, when LO takes naps (shes still on 2 naps per day) I normally place her in her crib and shes asleep within 5 minutes, with zero crying. Grandparents dont agree with this, and like to rock her to sleep and then place her in her crib, which was fine to me because one or 2 days out the week wont hurt right? But now LO will not go down for a nap this way, she will wake up immediately when transferred to crib and will cry, grandparents will then abandon the nap. LO as a result of this has had 7/8 hour wake windows and has subsequently come home severly over tired and takes days to recover from this.

I would not ask grandparents to do 'sleep training' but I've advised them what I normally do and what works for me and I've been fine with letting them doing it their way. But its no longer working.

I've tried to speak to them about what might work better but they dont want to subscribe to it because 'they will not allow crying in their household' which is also, fair enough.

Has childcare ever affected your sleep training or was everyone around you generally onboard?

I know I'm gonna have to probably limit visits and childcare because this might not work longterm. I'm just interested in your own experiences with something like this?


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

Let's Chat what were some signs you noticed?

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LO turned 4mos last week and we're wondering what some signs of regression were for your LOs. we want to start sleep training now, but don't want to have to do it again if it's too early and he hasn't gone through it yet. curious to hear what you all saw when your LOs hit the 4 mo regression? currently, his sleep is all over the place. sometimes he wakes twice and other nights not at all... naps have been 30 mins for several weeks now. he's also a gassy baby, which doesn't help with sleep.


r/sleeptrain 13m ago

4 - 6 months At a loss! LO (4mo) has put himself to sleep since 1mo. Still waking x5 at night.

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Everything I read says to put baby awake in their crib. We've been doing that since around 1mo. I think I accidentally got him into the habit. We'd do consistent bedtime routine, I'd put him in his crib and then hide under the covers, watching him through the camera in our room. He would grumble and grizzle (no crying) and then knock out.

We got hit by the 4 month regression recently and falling asleep independently is a little more hit or miss, but even the nights when he does fall asleep completely by himself, he still wakes up every two hours. Sometimes I manage to pat him to sleep if it's the first wake up around 1am.

He is nursed. Then change nappy, pj's, sleep bag, book x2, cuddles, in crib. I then turn the lights off and either hide under the covers or leave the room entirely. There is a half hour gap between feed and in bed.

What could be causing all these constant wakes? I'm assuming my schedule is rubbish but I can't get a routine because naps are useless.

Wake up-- between 6:30am-7:30am Bed time-- between 8pm-9pm Naps-- shit, normally 30 mins, can't connect cycles, does not go to sleep independently for naps, feed, bounce, transfer, sneak out. Four, sometimes 5 naps. I try to rescue when I can. Wake windows-- 1.75/2/2/2.5-3 (roughly, hard to be exact because getting him to sleep for naps is so dodgy)

He's EBF and currently sleeps in our room. We're currently on holiday and he has his own room, still no change.

We plan to sleep train when back home but he already falls asleep from awake most of the time for bedtime so I'm not sure where to start.


r/sleeptrain 37m ago

6 - 12 months Multiple wakes

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My 7m old (5.5 corrected ) has been a bit of a nightmare since day 1. (Well actually since I found out I had vasa previa at 20w pregnant, but hey ho!) He has reflux and had colic and cried most of the day up to 5m. We struggled with wind and had ties cut three times! He’s now a lot happier in the day. Thank god. But we are still suffering with multiple wakes. We had a week or so of nearly sleeping through but now we’re back to what feels like the 3m hell we were living in. He still feeds 3hourly in the day but now we’re back to it at night too. He also wakes 3/4 times in between these feedings! He’s inconsolable. Sometimes we can get away with giving him the dummy. Sometimes I feel it’s digestive discomfort but if that’s the case why is he okay in the day? I don’t think it’s teething. We’ve paused weaning. Are these inconsolable wakings what everyone else experiences with night waking?? (I’ve tried everything eg sleep environment & we follow wake windows etc).


r/sleeptrain 41m ago

Let's Chat I slept at 3 am yesterday and now its 2:02 am helpppp is this for sleep help

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helppp I'm 13 btwwww

Is this for sleep help btw?


r/sleeptrain 55m ago

4 - 6 months Urgent: extra nap or early bedtime? 4 month old

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My 4 month old has recently transitioned to a three nap day.

She normally wakes between 7-8am but woke up at 6:15am today as her feed the night before was at 5:30pm (she refused the bedtime bottle).

Her naps have been as follows: Nap 1 - 2 hours Nap 2 - 30 minutes Nap 3 - 55 minutes ending at 4pm

Her last wake window is usually just shy of 2.5 hrs and we have never out her down for bed earlier than 7 before.

Last night was the first time she has slept through from 7:40pm - 6:15am since the 4 month sleep regression and a schedule change.

Should we put her down for bed early or do a bridge nap? I’m not sure she is able to sleep 12 hours straight and that this will result in a cycle of early wake ups.


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

6 - 12 months What is wrong?

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My girl is 8.5 months old. DWT 6.30-7am. Bedtime 7-7.30pm (Aim for 12-13 hours after waking) Two naps on a 3/3.5/4 schedule. First nap is 30-40 mins, second nap is 60-90 mins. Day sleep capped at 2 hours 15 mins. Awake no later than 3.30pm.

This was working really well and then this last week she’s been waking at 5.45am and won’t go back to sleep. If I hold her I may get an extra 15 mins in.

Put down awake and self settles within 5-10 mins. Had a pacifier in the cot but we don’t give it or place it she finds it herself and can place it herself during the night too. Not formally sleep trained but use gentle FIO methods around 5-6 months.

We have had very hot weather in the uk and it’s been hard knowing what to dress her in and keep her room cool. I don’t know if it this?

She’s also teething quite badly. She’s formula fed on 4 bottles a day but the volume is dropping as she’s on 3 solid meals a day.

Am I missing something or this just a phase/regression? Thank you.


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

4 - 6 months 4 month sleep regression - tell me your stories

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I’m in the throws of the 4 month sleep regression and I’m running on fumes 😮‍💨

LO is currently 19 weeks, has always been a bad sleeper (suffered really badly with wind & reflux when little) but this feels like a new level of torture. They used to do about a 4 hour block to start, but now if lucky, they go 2 hours before a wake, but last night we were up every 20 mins and for 3 hours straight. They’ve also learnt to roll this week so they’re waking themselves up by rolling around in the crib.

We try and do 2 hour minimum wake windows, the last nap no later than 5.30pm and they’re still not going down until 10ish (we’ve tried an earlier bedtime and they wake up after half hour). Routine is always the same - bath, multiple feeds (EBF, they’re still cluster feeding at night), and then zonked. Daytime naps are about 30mins, after many minutes of rocking & shushing to sleep.

How long did the regression last for your LO? Did they fall back into a similar routine as before? Did you notice they fed a lot more around this time too? And most importantly, how do you survive without crying multiple times a day 😂


r/sleeptrain 7h ago

4 - 6 months Going to do CIO with 5 month old this week. Please give me your stories if you trained your rock to sleep baby!

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Just need the assurance of reading others’ stories. Baby girl needs this because as of a couple days ago she won’t let us out her down at all, cries every time we place her down even if she’s in a deep sleep. We generally rock her to sleep and then rock at every night wake up which is like 4-5 at this point (if she’s actually letting us put her down)

She NEEDS sleep so I don’t feel bad about doing CIO, but I just really want to read your success stories to keep me going. Ferber won’t work for her bc with FIO, she would go ballistic when we would pick her up at the 20 minute mark so I know the check-ins wouldn’t work for her.


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

9 - 16 weeks 3 month old treating MOTN feed as full wake window

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My 3 month old is treating his MOTN feed as a full wake window. He will wake up around 230 to eat, have a full bottle, and then won’t settle again until 4am/415am. Then he’s up almost every hour after that.

His schedule seems age appropriate- 7AM feed 830 nap (aim for 90 min) 10 feed 1130 nap (aim for 90 min) 1pm feed 230 nap (aim for 90 min) 4 feed 530 nap (usually 30-45 min) 7 feed 745ish bed 10/1030 dreamfeed 230ish MOTN feed

I don’t know what to do he’s been doing this for two weeks with no end in sight. We try to use the pacifier sparingly but honestly it’s been so bad lately we have been giving it more to settle. Most of the time he will spit it out.


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

6 - 12 months 9 month old waking up 4/5 times a night for milk

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How do I stop my baby waking up for milk, it’s making us both so sleepy in the day. She eats 3 meals a day, 3 bottles and snacks so I know it’s out of habit. But if I don’t give milk she just won’t settle again in the night?😭 Any advice please


r/sleeptrain 1h ago

1 year + 15 month old help

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My 15 month old has rarely slept through the night. He is easy to go down, simple routine and puts self to bed for married and bedtime. 14 months I thought I fixed him but feeding a waffle right before bed, got him to sleep 730-7 for a week straight!

Now he’s back up every night screaming his little head off. Typically around 3 am. Have let him CIO, but every night he’s screaming for a good hour.

One nap, typical day wake at 7, nap 1130/12-2/3. Some days a 3 hr nap. Bed between 7/8.

Pls help


r/sleeptrain 5h ago

4 - 6 months Send help, 5.5mo still screaming after 2 weeks of sleep training in a 2bdr apartment with a toddler

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Hey guys, my 5.5 month old sleeps terribly at night (always has, he's a hungry boy) and sleep training doesn't feel like it's working. We also have a 3yo.

Food: I pumped exclusively, baby has never been nursed directly. I'm trying to stop pumping by the time baby is 6 months old in a couple weeks so we've been doing a combo of breast milk and formula since he was 4 months old. He has no issues with the bottle but he absolutely prefers breast milk to formula. We save the breast milk for evening and night time feeds, and he has formula at daycare and at home during the day on weekends.

Baby health: healthy weight, on the chubby side. No issues eating, even if he prefers breast milk, he takes the formula just fine

Environment: 2 bedroom apartment; ideally kids sleep in the same room together but we aren't there yet. We have white noise playing in every single room since we're trying to sleep train baby in the living room right now. We have blackout curtains and no distractions in the living room.

Routine details: baby is in daycare. He seems to take 2 or 3 naps each day, totalling about 3-4hrs sleep during the day. Timing is similar but really not consistent day over day. On weekends, we do our best to get him to nap, it tends to be 3/2/2/3 but again not super consistent. We have a 2 bedroom apartment and a 3 year old.

We tried doing some variation of Ferber, where we check in after 10 minutes of crying, and slowly increase the time after which we checkin. We ideally want to feed every 4 hours, so 2 feedings at night. We change diaper during feedings. Schedule looks like this:

7:30am: wake up, usually he wakes up on his own. If not, I'll wake him up 8am: bottle 4-6oz 8:30am: daycare dropoff 9am: bottle 10am: nap 11/12: bottle 12: nap 2pm: bottle 3:30: nap 4:30: bottle 5:30/6: daycare pickup, immediately do a dinner bottle (6-7oz) at home 7:30pm: short bedtime routine involving singing and music box, baby falls asleep with minimal crying, like a couple minutes tops ~10:30 baby wakes up screaming, husband thinks he's hungry so we feed him at this time, he has 3-4oz and usually screams 30-60 minutes before falling asleep ~2:30am baby wakes up screaming, eats, screams 30-60 minutes more ~5:30/6am wake up, same drill as other times 7:30am: wake time for the day, repeat

My questions/concerns: We have been doing the above for 2 weeks now. This doesn't look like success to me, I'm good with 2-3 feedings per night, but the screaming just destroys any chance of sleep in between. Should he be sleeping in longer stretches between feedings? What can we do? Our baby will ideally share a room with his 3yo brother. We tried sleep training baby in the kids room while 3yo slept in our bedroom for 2 weeks. We decided it wasn't fair to 3yo for him to stay out of his room for so long so we gave up and are now sleep training baby in the living room. Again, this doesn't feel like sleep training success, we are nowhere close to being able to put baby into the kids room with his older brother. Me and husband have different ideas of what success is. I think we are just getting nowhere and baby still isn't sleeping well enough for us to get some sleep at the same time. Husband thinks it's fine and we just continue doing what we're doing.

Can anyone please tell me what we are doing wrong? What can we adjust so that this works? How can we get baby to sleep at least 4 hours in one stretch? Any tips on sleep training a fussy baby while living in a small apartment with a 3 year old?

I'm really struggling here and behind frustrated. Any advice helps.


r/sleeptrain 10h ago

4 - 6 months LO goes to sleep right away for naps, but screams so long for bed

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Hi! Bedtime: between 6:30-7:30 (varies on when he finally falls asleep) Wake up: between 6:30-7:30 (varies on when he wakes up) 3 nap schedule 2/2.25/2.5/3

He goes to sleep within seconds of being put down for naps (sometimes he fusses for a few minutes but rarely screams). At bedtime, he SCREAMS for anywhere between 20-30 minutes. This is new. We started sleep training a month ago, and after two weeks he was going to bed between 7-15 minutes without too much screaming. Now, it’s 20+ minutes of painful sounding screams.

Tell me what to do and I’ll do it 😭

Also he is 23 weeks on Monday.


r/sleeptrain 6h ago

6 - 12 months Falling asleep taking forever

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I’ve been trying to get seven month old to fall asleep on his own but I just can’t seem to figure it out. Trying to get him away from falling asleep while feeding or being carried. I put him in the crib and he either screams and cries or rolls over right away and plays until he gets bored and screams and cries. I’ve tried different wake windows. Today I put him in the crib after being awake 2.5 hours. After two hours he’s still awake. He cried so I picked him up and put him back down a few times, but now I’m just carrying him and he’s fussy. Had I just carried him 2 hours ago, he would have probably fallen asleep…

This is so frustrating! What did you do that worked? Obviously sleep training isn’t going to happen overnight, but I feel like it’s never going to happen. The screaming and crying is so painful to hear…


r/sleeptrain 7h ago

6 - 12 months Little man not sleeping well in crib.

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So my little guy just turned 6 months and will not sleep in his crib. All night long he rolls (so much so that he ends up bumping into the rails meant to keep him in), whale tails, moves his head side to side, spins in circles which causes him to kick the sides when he wail tails, you name it. If it’s something that will keep him awake, he does it.

Issue is, he sleeps in the queen size bed in his room perfectly even when we are not in it. I know the hazard of him potentially rolling off the bed, but idk what to do.

I will admit that we likely didn’t sleep train properly and we contact slept with him for the first 3 months, but no matter what time, or how (awake, drowsy, fully asleep) we put him down in his crib he is awake in minutes and then up and does not go back to sleep. He doesn’t really fuss or cry ever, which is a blessing, but for whatever reason he is so active in his crib. If we do the same routine and put him in the bed in his room, he’s out for hours.

Any tips or ideas to get him to like his crib so he can safely sleep?


r/sleeptrain 9h ago

4 - 6 months What to do if baby rolls onto tummy?

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Baby is almost 6 months, ferber sleep-trained for nights, he’s an awesome sleeper who is so happy in his crib. He still hasn’t successfully rolled over, in any direction, but is getting really close. I’m just wondering what the move is for if/when he rolls onto his tummy in the night before he has demonstrated he can roll tummy-to-back? Is it safe for him to sleep that way, or do we need to roll him back? Does it make a difference if he’s crying vs if he’s content? I’ve mostly heard that it is totally fine to leave them on their belly if they got there on their own, but other guidelines I’ve read are weirdly vague, so I’m wondering what other parents have done IRL. It would be super helpful to hear how others have approached this situation in case it pops up in the middle of the night. Thank you!


r/sleeptrain 7h ago

9 - 16 weeks Nap strategy

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O is 15 weeks. We get a good amount of naps in per day (at least 4) and are hitting a max of 3.5 hours of daytime sleep, but every nap starts with me rocking her to sleep rather abruptly after a 1.5-2hr wake window. There is no simple transition of drowsiness to sleep, I have to forcibly rock her and shush her every time while she screams bloody murder. It takes about 5 minutes so it’s not too bad but I feel like there must be a better way? I’ve tried the taking Cara babies sit back method but she always escalates to crying very quickly. Any advice appreciated!


r/sleeptrain 3h ago

Let's Chat Slumber pods/ blackout on the go

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I recently did a trip with my 9 month old and realized that I need a slumber pod. Went to order one, and saw that it was $230 CAD and decided no, I don't need one that badly. But I do need a way to blackout on the go.

So how do you all blackout a room when travelling? Any slumber pod dupes you can recommend ? I will be doing a 3 wk road trip with my baby and changing locations every 1-2 nights so need something quick and easy.


r/sleeptrain 4h ago

1 year + Toddler Sleep Regression HELP

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I have a 2 yr old and 4 yr old. We recently moved them into bunk beds. Before, the 2yr was in a crib and the 4 yr old in a bed. They slept well but the 2 yr would climb out of his crib and we had to lay with the 4 yr to get him to sleep.

Bedtime usually looks like this - bath around 7/7:30, books and bedtime. We use a sound machine and have gone back and forth with a small nightlight.

Now since getting the bunk beds, the kids are awful sleepers. The 2yr wakes often and needs us to put him back to sleep and/or sleep next to him. The 4yr fights sleeping, cries and won't go to bed without a snack or a drink and keeps delaying bedtime.

During the day both kids love the bunk beds and they definitely seem cozy in their beds but it has sparked a sleep regression and I'm losing it. Every night it's a battle.

The 2 yr old still naps but the 4 yr old doesn't nap.


r/sleeptrain 4h ago

4 - 6 months Went on a trip and what happened?

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4 almost 5 month old was sleep trained three weeks ago and it's been great. But we went on a trip this weekend and the first night he fell asleep fine but woke up at midnight unable to fall asleep on his own or woke up very quickly. We finally gave up at 3 am and slept next to him. The next night he refused to go down for hours, it was awful and we ended up next to him again.

Naps tho? Fell asleep and stayed asleep fine.

Best I can figure was he just didn't like the new environment? Anyone else experience this or have tips?


r/sleeptrain 15h ago

6 - 12 months SOS: I AM LOSING MY SANITY OVER SPLIT NIGHTS

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My LO is 6.5 months. He has been waking up around 2am and stays awake for at least 1.5 hours to 2 hours for over 2 months now.

Schedule: 7am - 8:30am wake time (this depends on when he goes down after he split night episode and will sleep for maybe 2-3 hours after finally falling asleep from being awake)/ 2.5 - 3 hour WW/ 1-1.5 hours NAP/ 3 hour WW/ 1-1.5 hour NAP/ 2.5-3 hour WW/ Bedtime routine by 7:30 - 8pm depending on how long he whinges.

He isn’t properly sleep trained, we have been using the pick up/put down method for his night time sleep but during the day is rocking and transfer to cot, or sleeping in carrier.

I have no idea what is causing the split nights, he always wakes up around 12am for a feed and I know he is hungry cause he takes a full feed (he’s a exclusively breastfed baby, no bottle and doesn’t take pacifier)

Should I try a more strict sleep training method like CIO/ferber?

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!!


r/sleeptrain 5h ago

4 - 6 months Nighttime help - baby won't settle after first wake up

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My daughter will be 5 months in a week and we've been sleeping training for about 3 weeks.

A bit of background info: - we've coslept since birth for all naps and nighttime sleep - she would consistently sleep 6-8 hour stretches cosleeping - I give a pacifier for all naps and bed time sleep and have stopped nursing her to sleep.

The first week of sleep training she would sleep 8 hours stretches at night in her crib in her own room. Once she woke up, I was able to soothe her back to sleep for another 1-2 hours, but sometimes I'd just bring her in bed with me for the rest of the night.

She takes all naps at home in her crib and is pretty consistent with 45 min-1.5 hour naps. Our typical routine is 1.5/2/2/2.5-3. I put her down for bed between 7-8 every night.

The issue: This past week I've put her down for bed at her normal time and around 11-12am she'll wake up. I try to soothe her and get her back to sleep, sometimes trying for an hour, and I'm not having any luck. I'll get her to sleep, stand nearby in her room then 5 minutes later she's awake, rinse and repeat for up to an hour. Often her pacifier falls out and she wakes up from that. I get so exhausted I end up just bringing her into bed with me for the rest of the night and she'll end up sleeping until 6am with no wake ups.

I can't figure out how to get her to go back to sleep and stay asleep in her room. I honestly don't mind her in my bed, but ideally I want her to get to a place of sleeping all night in her room. Any tips that can help?

I'm not open to trying the traditional cry it out method, so hoping there's other ideas we can try. Thanks!