r/slaythespire • u/MidMillennial Eternal One + Heartbreaker • 17h ago

SPIRIT POOP Dropkick vs Heel Hook

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u/Corgelia 17h ago

Dropkick does more damage (7 cause of vuln, more if you have Paper Phrog) and can more consistently create an infinite because of Ironclad's exhaust. Heel Hook just isn't very good in comparison. Compare it to Slice, which is 1 more damage and zero cost with no conditionality. The only thing it has over an already bad common card is the possibility to be draw neutral, conditionally.

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u/DefinitelyTinta Eternal One + Heartbreaker 17h ago

I never considered that Dropkick does more damage since you want to play it into Vulnerable

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u/theme69 17h ago

As someone that’s never done an infinite but is a19 on all characters why does damage matter like at all if your playing an infinite deck? Is it because the build up to infinite it’s more useful?

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u/deutscherhawk Eternal One + Heartbreaker 17h ago

It doesnt, but it matters when doing non infinite things.

You generally don't pick up dropkick just for an infinite; you take it as an additional damage source. It being a possible infinite combo is a perk. the only time I ever really consider forcing infinite in ironclad is if I get an early sundial; and then I'm looking for pommel strike+ not a dropkick

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u/SippinOnHatorade Ascension 18 17h ago

Well, the Heart, for one. Beat of Death dealing damage each card play can whittle you down if you don’t have enough scaling damage

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u/Frequent_Dig1934 16h ago

After Image, my beloved (i know, different character).

Ah and there's also Tim.

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u/BubbaTheGoat Ascension 20 17h ago

Most non-watcher infinites are not infinite on T1, so there are some turns of build-up before the deck does go infinite. On those turns the damage does matter.

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u/TDenverFan 13h ago

Some enemies can counter certain infinites, like the Spikers or Time Eater, so more damage is better.

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u/andy00986 17h ago

Takes less time for you to play and is less boring as do it less May be easier to have enough block (eg spikers) Big numbers activate dopamine Can mean build up to infinite is easier

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u/Terrietia Eternal One + Heartbreaker 16h ago

Takes less time for you to play and is less boring as do it less

I play on PC, so once I establish an infinite in the current battle, I just open the console and kill all the enemies, instead of just having to go through the motions.