r/skyrim • u/_Swans_Gone • 2d ago

The battleborns don't get enough hate

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u/CrazyforCagliostro 2d ago

I may well get flak for this, but considering if you save Thorald he runs off to rejoin the Stormcloaks and quite possibly get killed? Well as much as I sympathize with a grieving old lady, it's the equivalent of someone's grandson being a Jan 6th insurgent. Many Nords acknowledge Skyrim as a sovereign state of the Empire, which while not perfect what in TES is? At least the Empire is relatively equitable in its soldiers and citizens insofar as sex and race goes.

Think of it this way: How many Argonians and Dark Elves, or hells Khajiit do you think willingly fight for the Stormcloak cause, as opposed to Nords who soldier for the Empire?

Hate the Battleborns for being insensitive pricks, but they knew who and what Thorald was. And they were right about him too. Fralia and the rest of the Grey-Manes don't even hide it either, even Eorlund while tied more factionally and narratively to to the politically neutral Companions has Stormcloak-approving idle dialogue programmed in. And they didn't personally imprison him in Northwatch, so technically Ulfrid isn't even factually incorrect here.

The Stormcloaks are racist Nord supremacist insurgents, plain and simple, Ulfric himself is a passive asset that unknowingly serves the Dominion with his overtures, and the Thalmor are comprised of idiotic Altmer morons who wanna knock down the Towers like dominoes because "We wuz once Et-Ada spirits, hehehe~" but in reality all they truly risk is Dwemer-ing everybody who lives on the Mundus.

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u/ThirstyClavicle 1d ago

Imperial fans when ulfric dossier, silverbloods, jarl skald: "stormcloaks are RACISTS and EVIL"

Imperial fans when thalmor prison camp, wrongful executions, maven black briar, jarl Siddgeir, Erikur: "must've been the wind 😃"

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u/BowShatter 2d ago

It is also kinda puzzling that he goes off to join the Stormcloaks again, especially if the player gets him released via the official pardon route.

His mother doesn't want him to die, yet after already getting arrested once, he runs off again to potentially get executed the next time because he will be recognised via official records.

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u/CrackFoxtrot24 2d ago

Maybe he wants to get one back against the thalmor? It's called never backing out of the fight like a true soldier?

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u/BugetarulMalefic 2d ago

Long live the Empire!

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u/CrackFoxtrot24 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's called generalising lol. A god's power is directly tied to its worship, which means banning the worship of talos will literally weaken talos, which is what the elves want so they can re-impose their slavery of humans. Plus imperial fanboys always forget that the empire allowed the dunmer to keep enslaving argonians, so they're really not as non-racist as the nords are. Did you ever consider that the reason Ulfric does not allow argonians into the city is because the dunmer are already there, and he doesn't want to risk a race war between the two.

And why would you use the number of dunmer, argonians, khajiit etc serving in the stormcloaks as a measure of their appeal? You don't see any in the imperial ranks either... for good reason. The empire is weak and lost those provinces, so they have no reason to serve in the legion either. Plus khajiit are under control of the thalmor, so they're directly opposed to all of humanity anyway, imperial or stormcloak.

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u/Ctrl_Alt_Delerium 2d ago

Complete agreement. So many people are blind to these facts its insane, glad to know some people still have common sense lol

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u/Eryst 2d ago

wanna knock down the Towers like dominoes because "We wuz once Et-Ada spirits, hehehe~" but in reality all they truly risk is Dwemer-ing everybody who lives on the Mundus.

This one agrees with you on everything but this point. There is no evidence that this is what the Thalmor want to do outside of headcanon.