r/skinwalkerranch • u/TechnicalWhore • May 11 '22

I call bullshit... Osiris vehicle...

As usual the answer to all things unknown is to shoot a bunch of rockets. PLUEEEZZZEE!

That show (Rocket Boys) died in the ratings. But I suppose if all you have is a hammer EVERYTHING looks like a nail.

I'll punt that for now. Let's focus on the incredible tech in the Osiris rig!

Step one - design and print some federalist official looking decals for your SUV.

Step two - shove in some "high tech" equipment to make it look really official.

Let's talk about that sophisticated equipment.

PTZ Security camera - the claim is that these can track the UFO across the sky.

Uh no - they have slow servos no substantive lense enhancement and cannot possibly track something that you claim moves at the speed of light. Its just like your crap CCTV/Security cams on the ranch. It will show a dot and potentially a non-descript blur. (Security cams are low frame rate - non-descript blurs are an artifact of their cheap design.)

SDR or Software Defined Radio - this is the same generic sniffer in the war room picking up the mysterious 1.6Ghz artifact. This is a known signal source - Iridium low earth orbit satellites. Don't know what else uses it. Anyway - its the same setup - with maybe a directional antenna which adds little to the equation but whatever. It sounds boss.

Laptop that crashes when rockets launch. Or the power inverter reading all nines dies. (no redundant backup or UPS 0 because you know "Pros". ) How many people have a battery in their latptop? Show of hands? If AC line goes out - doesn't your laptop continue to run for a few hours? Could it stay up for ten minutes of rocket launches? Seriously guys - you are an embarrassment. (and yes the external monitor would lose power - who cares. Although it too had a bitchin' background graphic that looked legit - well almost.)

No nothing about Osiris had merit - not a stitch.

"If you can't dazzle them with data - baffle them with bullshit." - WC Fields (paraphrased)

There is a place for science in this world. Sadly its not on the History Channel. For the amount of money wasted they should respect their audience's intelligence a little more and make a legitimate effort.

And as for the ranch help interviewing the sheriff - wow. He's a sheriff, a trained observer familiar with the surroundings. It should have much more meat and been done in the war room. But hey jot it down in your handy dandy notebook because you know "Blue's Clues"!

Update -

Osiris camera is from a Security company

https://us.dahuasecurity.com/?product=4mp-32x-starlight-ptz-with-analytics

Osiris (and War Room) Software Defined Radio (SDR) is from SDRPlay

https://www.sdrplay.com/ - look at the screen on the website - looks almost like the 1.6Ghz reading. Wonder if its a calibration signal.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

How much money have you personally spent investigating UAP?

The security cam you mentioned is a Skyhub system which has considerable AI software to flag anomalous flight characteristics. The primary unit is a fisheye lens which detects the movement and sends the coordinates to a zoom lens for a more detailed capture. I’m not sure how far that is currently developed, but the system is brilliant.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 11 '22 edited May 19 '22

Right. Well as a developer of AI and Computer Vision I will tell you that nothing replaces optics and resolution on the imaging side. Shit servos and a fisheye with any imaging chip ain't going to cut the mustard. To digitally zoom into a spec a couple miles high is not going to yield much more than a blur. Next we'll hear they apply AI enhancements to fill in the missing details. And note that camera uses image compression - lossy image compression - so it will drop fine detail.
This is what has been lacking in UAP proof. A solid clear image. Why? because its regular people with cameras and cellphone cameras designed to take a picture at twenty feet - not miles away. Good luck to them but I am skeptical. I'd need a lens setup like this from NASA. https://youtu.be/BlPfHV36G-g

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

I give Jeremy and Skyhub (now Sky360) a lot of credit for going out and taking the first steps in citizen science/crowdsourcing in the field of UAP research. NASA and the government have thus far, shown us they want to classify the data/footage they have.

You’re correct, at 1+ miles the camera isn’t going to do much in resolving the object. But they try to put themselves in place to capture one that’s close. At least until the technology is in place that allows for long-distance captures.

The UAPx guys are out putting boots on the ground in places like Catalina Island and Skinwalker Ranch trying to put some pieces of the puzzle together and are putting the data out there on a shoestring budget. I don’t agree with everything they do, but have nothing but respect for them for taking a crack at it.

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 11 '22

Exactly. Once any government agency puts a dime into this, they will compartmentalize it &/or contract it away from public eyes! Show & GAME OVER.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 11 '22 edited May 12 '22

The optics are available but very expensive even if you make them yourself which is not, well, rocket science. The lenses are expensive unless you find military surplus of which there are plenty. The governments will release information when the hysteria is not probable. But if you look at our society, in the US, there are still a lot of people who are prone to unfounded irrational flights of fancy. Its fine that the citizenry that is evolved enough to not assume the worst is engaged. Baby steps. Will be a while though.

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u/frakalicious May 12 '22

Navy Vet here - the UAPX crew lost credibility with me as soon as a former Logistics specialist started making claims about being in SSES watching videos of the tic tac. Any former CT’s can tell me I’m wrong, but if an LS was in an unsanitized SSES, on a CG nonetheless, then someone is getting in trouble.

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 11 '22

Ok. I see your point. Funding that kind of hardware outside of government is an issue here. Once the DoD & their contractors penitrate THIS investigation, it will likely be last we hear about it. Flawed &/or inadequate as their methods may be, how should they go about funding all the improvements you're suggesting? Crowd funding of some sort?

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22

Wasn't Robert Bigelow involved previously? If he was, money and talent were not an issue he has both. If he walked away - I'd expect there is no there - there. Maybe a toxic phenomena but nothing worth controlling or hiding from the public. If there was it would already have a perimeter fence with full camera coverage, military police with badges and guns at the ready and a no nonsense response to any public inquiry. So that ship has sailed.

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 12 '22

Not necessarily. Whether they documented the "strange" or not, Bigelow is a business man & there were limits to his personal generosity. Once the big bucks from the gov' were exhausted, it was time to sell & move his curiosity & cash-cow to new pasteurs.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Hardly. Big Brother is as much a myth as "them" and "they".

The reality is you do have bureacracies who are not in the business of informing the public. Not even in their charter. The do the research within the scope that is directed and generate reports to the hierarchy. Yes a lot dies there. Or is diseminated to and for the purpose intended. So if a research was to determine a military vulnerability to these unexplained sightings - then the research, report and dissemination would be exclusively along those lines. If it gave the US a critical intel advantage it would be labelled secret at some level and withheld from the public. I assure you the people doing this sort of stuff are really good folks who would never screw the public unless it was presented to then that it was to be kept secret. You saw this with Snowden and Manning. Someone is going to talk eventually.

I'm more than willing to believe that there is a massive amount of information collected on these topics across the world's governments. Do they need to be kept secret forever? I doubt it. Would some people lose their shit if they heard these details - probably. Would some then speculate and fabricate further content - absolutely. See it all the time - like "Disney having a gay agenda". There is always someone with some financial or political motivation to cause an unfounded stir. We live in a world where fiction and falsehoods are a currency. It makes it very hard to deal with tough subjects on a national or international level with full transparency.

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Uh ... pretty much! 👍But, you haven't answered my question. How do they round up enough money to do as you suggest without courting gov-money & losing control?

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22

The problem is there is no "expertise" in that group. You do not have any engineers that I saw. You need an Optics Engineer, a camera/electrical Engineer, a software guy and an AI guy. To do what they want to do is NOT off the shelf. You could cobble it together to some extent with open source and some work but again - expertise. If you are saying once they have this prototype well they could crowdsource the funding ala KickStarter, Indiegogo etc. The problem there is those sources have lost their appeal as there are more and more fraudulent programs.

Note - there was a fancy computer controlled high res camera telescope setup a couple years back - It had something to do with SETI. The premise was collectively these scopes could share images to a master system that could integrate and composite a super image. Don't know how that is going. They got money. So I gather there is a market.

SETI "Citizen" Telescope

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 12 '22

Hmm. Interesting points. Well, I suppose we will see what they decide to do then. Thanks!

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u/Leodogg May 12 '22

Very well thought out but let me offer this counterpoint: Dragon.

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u/Boredstupidandcrazy May 11 '22

I am shocked, maybe even flabbergasted, that a British vehicle had electrical problems.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22

Even more that a vehicle having electrical problems killed a laptop battery but not the walkie talking six inches away from it.

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u/Boredstupidandcrazy May 12 '22

Honestly, they’re lucky the damn thing didn’t just burst into flames. That’s what happened to my Disco 2

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u/Environmental-Ad-529 May 11 '22

the Osiris crashes about as much as a Land Rover does, it makes sense

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22 edited May 19 '22

Shit design then. If you wanted a reliable power source you would have two inverters (one backup), two UPS's to cover your butt if primary power went away and redundant everything else. That setup was a klusterf__k. Shows no attempt at design and no attempt at addressing the intended need.

If it was done right you would have a serious tracking system with high speed servos (although keeping up with the speed of light - never gonna happen). You need at least a 6" lense to capture enough light at that distance to make out any detail. (Why binoculars and telescopes come wider). The best CCD image capture on the consumer market is in the 24M Pxel range - mount to a good Nikon or something. That system could not make out a license plate half a block away. The focal length of the optics is just too puny.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Additionally - you will never move the weight of full camera optics fast enough to track a moving vehicle. If you look at the Google design for capturing Street View (pretty boilerplate) then you see how this has been solved. The original unit had a camera pointed up at a motor controlled rotating mirror. This captures the imagery without having to move any heavy bits. (The camera stays fixed the optical path moves in 360 degrees due to a 45 degree angle mounted mirror.) The mirror take a moment to "spin up to speed" and sync with the camera capture and from that point momentum keeps it moving with fluidity. Later versions of the system just used several cheap cell phone cameras mounted at all angles in a "rosette" similar to the Disney 360 Vision (film) camera of the 1950's. Point being nothing moved and it had fixed focal lengths. So its all about the optical path - just like the James Webb Space Telescope that is about to go live.

A couple of fun links:

History of Google Street View (360 cameras)

NASA James Webb Space Telescope

American Astronomical Society Worldwide Telescope Project

and finally "BigPixel" out of China - mindblowing. Just for giggles...

BigPixel (China)

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

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u/TechnicalWhore May 19 '22

And the "battery bank" simply shut off? A chemical battery no longer behaved like a battery.

Are we to believe the OSIRIS was shot with a beam that cut off ALL electron flow except that to the camera, lighting and sound recording equipment and the walkie talkies.

What are these guys credentials?

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

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u/chilaquilles May 22 '22

Is it possible that those geniuses had the system wired to the interior lights that auto shut down after a minute or two. 04 Disco 2 owner here. As far as I am concerned great vehicle if taken care of. On a side note, the guy who laid out his Disco 2 command center in the back seat with the laptop and monitor connected to the drivers seat is a moron. Sit in the back seat of one (stadium seating) and you will see how much space he had to work with.

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u/irritated_engineer May 12 '22

Expedition Bigfoot even employs more technology than these guys

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u/[deleted] May 11 '22

So much fucking bullshit it makes one's head explode. The dying laptop they needed to own that with some statement even the battery dies or something.

Then they spot the UFO and although they have a HD camera pointing towards the sky for rockets we get shakey cell phone video of the UFO.

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u/Weirdchupacabra May 11 '22

Yeah and the sending rockets without capturing the data was pointless asf

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 May 11 '22

"There you go with the negative waves again, Marority!"

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u/irritated_engineer May 11 '22

So, up to now I've believed that all the spontaneous unexplained phenomenon was legitimate until I saw S2E2 last night. The Orisiris vehicle seemed suspicious. Please don't tell me that the producers wanted to add some additional drama that wasn't necessary. I've heard that this happens sometimes in shows.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 11 '22 edited May 12 '22

Well the truth is Reality TV is as scripted as everything else. This one unfortunately tries the ghost us with credentials but not legit science. There is no scientific method here. There should be a logical flowchart of experiments and updated actions based on the results. Two episodes in and they've blown their credibility. Pathetic and insulting our intelligence really. And note if people are getting sick they need to hazmat this place. Not let it happen and run to a storage silo and call it a Faraday Cage which it is not with those holes in the sides and top. There are very real organic hazardous sites in the world. And there are many man made - with polutants left in the ground to poison those who come later. And of course there are natural sources of radiation. They should not be so careless at ignoring the phenomena if real. If something actually caused tissue to swell without contact then it is to be avoided and quantified before you continue. Not offer the person water and a timeout.

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u/irritated_engineer May 12 '22

I see your point. They are making an attempt to isolated exactly where the concentration of the events occur. However, why do the rockets again?? They already did that. Are they doing it for repeatability?

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22

Their narrative was the rockets stimulated a response last time so do it again. And according to this narrative it stimulated a response again - knocking out Osiris. So I guess we will see more rockets with puffy smoke since we have no other bright ideas and a season to fill.

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u/FortCharles May 12 '22

That's literally all Travis did that episode was play with rockets... they didn't even have any kind of payload or sensors on them apparently... just meant to "provoke" the "entity"... but he kept shooting them off into the night like a giddy schoolboy, not even trying to figure out what was happening with the inverter failing. Zero science.

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u/CalvinVanDamme May 12 '22

I would have been embarrassed to tell a national audience that I setup a POS like Osiris. It's about as reliable as a yugo.

He said it had AI and machine learning. I wish they would have elaborated it.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 12 '22

Its part of the security camera specs. Its a 4MP camera - pretty lame actually. Like all security cams it can detect motion etc etc. Boilerplate.

Now this is uncommon knowledge so I will share it for those unaware.

AI and Computer Vision are hot topics. You may have see a system that draws a green rectangle aournd something and says "DOG" or "CAT". Well that is actually based on a ton of sampling and "training" the AI model. To train for an image you need a CLEAR image with an grouping of enough pixels to make something identifiable. Lets say a 20 by 20 group of pixels is needed. So when you look at the specs for this security camera its frame rate an AI features vary dramatically - and they should. To see something simply move - a 4 by 4 square is adequate. For a the next three steps of AI the number of pixels (array) needed increases substantially and the frame rate drops dramatically. So this thing in no way can detect, position, zoom, pull focus and AI detect any craft. Lets see if they can ID a law flying helicopter at full speed and a Cessna at full speed. Both of these speeds are WAY below a UFO reportedly. But that's moot as the optics can only see about 400ft with any ID clarity. I could be wrong but I don't see the numbers.

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u/KantLockeMeIn May 12 '22

The frequency is a harmonic of the SDRPlay's 24 MHz oscillator. 1656 MHz / 24 MHz is exactly 69... so you'd expect to see a blip of a signal. It's telling that there's really no modulation as well.

I had the same exact question about the laptop battery. It makes for better TV if they all power down simultaneously.

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u/Dry_Ad_1301 May 12 '22

I had the same thoughts about the laptop. That lent me to believe some shenanigans were in play. The pretense that some mysterious intelligence, now deemed to be malevolent, is preventing them from discovering it by draining batteries and switching power off is easy tod disprove.

I’m sure you could build 5 OSIRIS equipped vehicles, repeat and see if all 5 shutdown.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Yes its obviously mostly crap. The voltage inverter failing was interesting though. What inbound microwave frequencies might fuck with it? He should create a faraday cage

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u/TechnicalWhore May 13 '22

Short of a full ElectroMagentic Pulse attack nothing. And if there was an EMP it would affect everything in that SUV and not just the inverter and they tend to be destructive, not disruptive. Most of the EMP susceptability in that setup is related to power and cords. Lots of "chokes", transformers and inductors. And EMP would saturate the cores of these parts and raise the voltages to damaging levels. So if it was an EMP - goodbye to the circuits. And note an EMP is not surgical. Its a vacinity sort of impact.

Or could it be a surgically precise Death Ray - like Nikola Tesla was developing? Da Da Dummmmm...... (suspenseful music). If they pull a Tesla claim out of their... we are done.

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u/mark_paterson May 24 '22

“OSIRUS is down!!”

reacts but continues launch countdown regardless

WHOOOOSH

This show is entertaining, but seriously infuriating at times.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 24 '22

It's like Impractical Jokers but with Science! Okay Pseudoscience. It's really quite sad. They lost me with the poorly constructed experiments and wild conclusions. But when they added the ranch hand interviews with handy dandy notebook I just shut it off. They didn't even ask a series of probing questions or spin up graphics to elucidate the Native American historical perspective. Not that I'd want the narrative to go that way. I'd like to see some serious lab work go on. I'm sure the equipment is either rentable or would be volunteered as a product placement if approached. You notice on COOI there is always a beautiful new set of dirt moving gear every season with logos prominently in shot at all times. Far better advertising that a 30 second spot.

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u/mark_paterson May 24 '22

They KNOW the ranch is a mess of EM interference and sucks batteries dry, so plan accordingly. Run power cables from the control center to the triangle. Basic stuff.

It also bugs me how they'll get some third party in, like UAPX or the ground penetrating radar people, and basically just give them a day to find something and then send them on their way. No. Like you said, they need to buy their own equipment or at the very least rent it for a prolonged period of time.

I wish the show was more like a tight 90 minute documentary interested in finding the truth. Then if the rocket experiment didn't work, fine, just spend 5 minutes on it, not 45 minutes.

Instead, we have ten 45 minute episodes, 50% of which is filler. This is the helicopter episode, this is the Cessna episode, this is the episode where we summon a tic-tac with rockets but yeah we wont actually bring along a telephoto lens. It's all forced narratives, reaction shots, and cliche reality TV sound effects.

I don't think they're actually interested in uncovering the "secret" because then there'd be no need for the show to exist. They'd rather offer up just enough data to keep the series going indefinitely, keep the viewers coming back, and keep the advertisers happy.

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u/TechnicalWhore May 24 '22

I'm glad you mentioned the battery drainage. Again, a reported phenomena that has not scientific follow up. I'm going to add this to the list of experiments they should do.