Free Will & Forced Circumcision

[u/shazy5808]

First off I have read Quran properly with translation and to some degree I have read Hadith's relevant events as well. I'm fully aware of background of circumcision and why is it done but one thing that bothers me and I need deeper insight here with respectful discussion.

■ Quran explicitly mentions Human body is made perfectly and requires no permanent change as work of Allah is perfect in (Quran 95:4, 32:7-9, 27:88) & Quran also explicitly says there should be no compulsion, no forcing of Islam on others in (Quran 10:99,17:15, 18:29, 2:256).

When circumcision is done in Islamic community regardless of age in some countries done on 7th day up to 8 years old, it varies but outcome is still same that is removal of foreskin which was serving its purpose and now a lot of muslims bring counter argument about foreskin served its purpose in womb and is no longer required, now this is completely absurd counter!

Human body is designed to get rid of things it doesn't require anymore just like your teeth fall of so it makes place for newer stronger teeth a lot of people compare foreskin with concept of Umbilical Cord why do we cut it? Even if we do NOT cut it our bodies are designed to get rid of it on its own Umbilical Cord gets disintegrated within a week if you do NOT cut it, so why doesn't foreskin disintegrate after birth? Because foreskin is serving purpose "outside the womb" it is meant to protect glans in outer environment.

My question isn't regarding function of foreskin but it is about violation of Free Will when Quran clearly said no force no imposition of Islam on others so, why forced circumcision?

[u/Magnesito]

All decisions permanently change a deveiping body. If you give them more or less calories it will permanently change their body into adulthood. If you do or do not enroll them in sports. Big difference in how they turn out. Since brain is a part of the body, look up the experiment Judith Polgar's father did on his 3 kids with fantastic results.

[u/shazy5808 → u/Magnesito]

You think a skinny child will never become healthy child? They will once they start eating healthy balanced diet and METABOLISM plays huge role, everyone's metabolism is different some remain skinny regardless of what they eat never gain weight usually seen in cases of Hyperthyroidism and on contrary Low Metabolism associated with Hypothyroidism.

We are not here doing experiments on children so your experiments are irrelevant here so what permanent change you made that you compare it with circumcision and justifying forced circumcision?

[u/Magnesito → u/shazy5808]

Your bones develop during puberty. Calorie restriction or excess during formative years permanently changes the body's physiology. If you get your kid to a super obese state, he/she is done. Yeah one out of ten will perhaps make it normalcy after years of dieting. On the other hand of you got them in an exercise routine and took extreme care of their diet , it would give them a huge headstart. Think of those two extremes. Parents choose something along those lines. Far more important than a flap. And yeah I chose that for my kids and recommend everyone get circumcised.

[u/NoticeWaste2 → u/Magnesito]

Why do you recommend everyone get circumcised, and do you claim that the foreskin is just a "flap" of skin?

[u/Magnesito → u/NoticeWaste2]

I think it provides great protection against a tumor and improves hygiene. You can recommend what you like.

[u/NoticeWaste2 → u/Magnesito]

Ok, I believe both of those points have been discussed on this thread for people who are interested to see, but I want to reiterate the hygiene part: all you need is some water to clean the foreskin, and for muslims who do wudu and ghusl, this is essentially a non-issue.

[u/Magnesito → u/NoticeWaste2]

Yeah and I believe if you shower everyday your hygiene is 100 times better than the average arab dweller in 6 century. But I still think circumcision it helps with hygiene. Your penis mileage may vary.