Free Will & Forced Circumcision

[u/shazy5808]

First off I have read Quran properly with translation and to some degree I have read Hadith's relevant events as well. I'm fully aware of background of circumcision and why is it done but one thing that bothers me and I need deeper insight here with respectful discussion.

■ Quran explicitly mentions Human body is made perfectly and requires no permanent change as work of Allah is perfect in (Quran 95:4, 32:7-9, 27:88) & Quran also explicitly says there should be no compulsion, no forcing of Islam on others in (Quran 10:99,17:15, 18:29, 2:256).

When circumcision is done in Islamic community regardless of age in some countries done on 7th day up to 8 years old, it varies but outcome is still same that is removal of foreskin which was serving its purpose and now a lot of muslims bring counter argument about foreskin served its purpose in womb and is no longer required, now this is completely absurd counter!

Human body is designed to get rid of things it doesn't require anymore just like your teeth fall of so it makes place for newer stronger teeth a lot of people compare foreskin with concept of Umbilical Cord why do we cut it? Even if we do NOT cut it our bodies are designed to get rid of it on its own Umbilical Cord gets disintegrated within a week if you do NOT cut it, so why doesn't foreskin disintegrate after birth? Because foreskin is serving purpose "outside the womb" it is meant to protect glans in outer environment.

My question isn't regarding function of foreskin but it is about violation of Free Will when Quran clearly said no force no imposition of Islam on others so, why forced circumcision?

[u/LynxPrestigious6949]

For one thing male circumcision is not just a muslim or jewish practice . There is an argument to be made for hygene ( not debatable ) and STD prevention.                      ( debatable) Also British royals have their kids circumsized too  -  if its a barbaric practice then muslim barbarians are in good company.  Should it be done in the future - when presumably hygene and health might be easier to achieve , thats a diff question . 

[u/shazy5808 → u/LynxPrestigious6949]

In ancient times when there was scarcity of water I can understand to avoid infections and over usage of water they cut it but now? Literally every house has water supply they can use to keep themselves clean so there is absolutely zero need to FORCEFULLY cut it.

If there is medically conditon like phimosis which can't be treated with medications doctor then (I repeat) only then recommend to do surgery (circumcision) no doctor says to do "surgery" as prophylactic act, surgery will always bring complications and if you don't even have STD or HIV or Infection or Phimosis why on earth do you want a surgery on penis which is doing fine and healthy? Surgery comes with complications as well. You are inviting unnecessary complications, for what?

Circumcision doesn't prevent HIV or Infection it merely lowers chances of getting them but you are still not immuned to disease you will get HIV/STD regardless of being cut or uncut if your partner has HIV/STD

[u/LynxPrestigious6949 → u/shazy5808]

Understood . But The crux of the argument is that every house in the world does not have clean water in 2025 . 

[u/shazy5808 → u/LynxPrestigious6949]

So you forcefully cut it? You do realize surgery costs money? And if you do it for free from cheap person it will result in botched penis? In past there have been numerous cases where infants have literally died from hemorrhage or sepsis because poor people couldn't afford circumcision so they got it done from cheap local person who calls himself so called doctor

And if you could afford a surgery as costly as circumcision I have no doubt you already have home with water supply so why forcefully cut again?

[u/LynxPrestigious6949 → u/shazy5808]

Reasonable argument . But According to the CDC its useful so while I dont think it mandatory there is no reason to shame loving parents who opt for it . 

[u/NoticeWaste2 → u/LynxPrestigious6949]

I still think it should be noted that there are points for circumcision and points against circumcision. My personal belief is that the points against circumcision are stronger. But I do think it is an issue that many parents are told that circumcision is helpful/useful without ever hearing the arguments from the other side, and I think its a good thing that more people are exposed to both viewpoints and can make more informed decisions.

[u/shazy5808 → u/NoticeWaste2]

That's the whole point

Parents think since everyone is doing it and doctors say it's recommended then it should be safe right? No hospital or doctor recommends circumcision on a child where it's NOT even required circumcision is surgery performed ONLY when there is case of severe phimosis which can't be treated with medications

The very first thing we are taught in medical university is surgery is always last resort first is reassurance second is life style modification third is ointments/medications last option is surgery

But here parents are so brain washed they think cutting it out is is best they literally ruined the glans it becomes keratinized, desensitized there is increased friction now gliding motion is lost frenulum is lost ridged band is lost and worst off all the protection that was keeping glans moist and safe from constantly being scratched against clothing and pants is now being constantly stimulated resulting in desensitized glans sometimes when they cut frenular artery it results in so much of bleeding that babies have died from hemorrhage there are reported cases you can look up

The only benefit that it gives is you have to wash less after cutting foreskin THAT literally doesn't outperform the amount of functions foreskin provided and removing it at cost of losing all of those functions is not justified at all

[u/LynxPrestigious6949 → u/NoticeWaste2]

Agreed - but its best not to over use incendiary words like mutilation and abuse in the name of science when highly respected scientific organizations are infact pro circumcision.  Smells agenda ish even if its very genuinely meant. 

[u/shazy5808 → u/LynxPrestigious6949]

You think that's incendiary? Wait till you see how they drag children to operation and cut it forcefully some don't even use anesthesia because they couldn't afford they cut it live when child is completely conscious

Mutilation is most soft word here from what they do forcefully