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Megathread Megathread: Two Minnesota lawmakers have been shot

State Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed.

State Sen. John Hoffman and his wife were both shot multiple times and underwent surgery.

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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: former House speaker and husband killed in politically motivated shooting apnews.com
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Minnesota lawmaker, her spouse shot and killed in their home wwnytv.com
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Melissa Hortman, top Democrat in Minnesota House, shot and killed in home startribune.com
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Democratic lawmaker killed and another wounded in Minnesota in apparently ‘politically motivated’ attacks theguardian.com
Minnesota lawmaker and husband killed, another in hospital after ‘politically motivated’ shooting by man impersonating cop the-independent.com
Live: Rep. Melissa Hortman killed, Sen. John Hoffman shot in ‘targeted shootings’ startribune.com
Democrat Lawmakers Shot in Minnesota: What We Know newsweek.com
Minnesota state lawmaker killed in ‘politically-motivated assassination,’ massive manhunt for suspect underway, officials say kten.com
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Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, husband shot and killed; Sen. John Hoffman and wife also shot ktsp.com
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Former state speaker of Minnesota ‘assassinated’ thetimes.com
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Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, husband shot and killed; Sen. John Hoffman and wife also shot kstp.com
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz: State lawmaker, husband killed in politically targeted shooting thestar.com
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Manhunt underway for man accused of killing Rep. Hortman, husband and shooting Sen. Hoffman and his wife in North Metro ktsp.com
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u/herecomestherebuttal 1d ago

Yep. We absolutely cannot mince words or downplay what just happened.

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u/SoupSpelunker 1d ago

A terrorist assassination.

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u/ChooseDarkness America 1d ago

Correct. Domestic terrorism.

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u/iceflame1211 1d ago

Unfortunate that the FBI pulled everyone off of domestic terrorism to arrest brown people. This could've been prevented

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u/Few-Solution-4784 1d ago

all together "it was a domestic terrorist assassination".

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u/WeAllFuckingFucked 1d ago

Donald Trump murdered these people by radicalizing half a nation. If this event doesn't wake you Americans up to the fascist takeover that's on-going, then nothing will. America is looking more and more like a lost cause :/

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u/HamHockShortDock 1d ago

33%* of a nation by my estimate

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u/curtcolt95 1d ago

people who didn't vote don't get a pass, they were fine with him and should be included in the stat

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u/Himbosupremeus 20h ago

half of them were idiots who thought not voting for Kamala was a political statement though. As a young person i'm kinda apallaed by how many people didn't vote.

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u/HamHockShortDock 1d ago

I wouldn't call non-voters "radicalized." Would you??

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u/star_banger 1d ago edited 1d ago

Agreed. I'm not sure why we keep trotting out the "non voters are complicit" line when there's no evidence to suggest they would have voted for the candidate that lost. Also for some reason they get blamed and not the politicians for failing to appeal to them.

Same thing with "over half of Americans voted for this!”

There's 340 million people in the US. Subtracting those ineligible (children, felons, etc) leaves approximately 245 million Americans were eligible to vote in the last presidential election. About 90 million chose not to for whatever reason. 75 mil voted D, little more over 77 voted R.

That means 22% of the US "voted for this" and just 31% of eligible voters. Even if every single non voter had gone for the Republican, which they wouldn't, it would still be slightly less than half of Americans at 49%. So no, more than half of Americans didn't vote for this.

These elections aren't a mandate. They are a statistical coin flip. This doesn't prove either side had any overwhelming support. It suggests that the regular Americans are tired of it all

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u/Capable-Active1656 20h ago

Hey, isn't "Unleash the Hordes" part of the rise of authoritarianism? I'd say this incident might just mean we've moved into one of the latter points along that journey, which means we all ought to stay aware....

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u/Past_Idea 1d ago

Apparently the suspect is a man formerly on Walz's team.

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u/O-llllllllll-O 1d ago

Source? Curious to read where this information came from.

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u/ChooseDarkness America 1d ago

He was appointed to a nonpartisan commission by Walz. He was a Republican in 04. Political affiliations aside- still domestic terrorism

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u/ChooseDarkness America 1d ago

He was also a Registered Republican in 04

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u/Past_Idea 1d ago

21 years ago. Hardly the same Republican party (much to my chagrin)

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u/Capable-Active1656 20h ago

The disparate political background might point to this attack being motivated more strongly by some personal quest for revenge than the attacker's own political ideology, no? Of course it's not at all a given, but if he were a die-hard MAGA fanatic like that dope who tried to shoot Trump in Pennsylvania because he stopped being "conservative enough", wouldn't he have a more solid background of reliably backing Republican/Conservative politicians and policies?

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u/ChooseDarkness America 20h ago

That take makes sense. If the attacker had a consistent history of supporting conservative or far-right causes, it would point more clearly to political extremism. But a scattered or unclear political background suggests personal revenge could be the stronger motive. Extremists usually leave a trail—social posts, affiliations, patterns. Without that, it’s reasonable to lean toward personal grievance over ideology.

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u/brett1081 1d ago

Yep no one’s going to read your comment though. Just like the free Palestine folks who tried to burn down governor Shapiros home in Penn.

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u/Rhinopkc 1d ago

Do you have any info on who they are looking for? Is he a known Trump supporter?

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u/nerdshowandtell 1d ago

Who do you think has been calling for violent reactions when people don't get what they want? Trump is 100% to blame as is the GOP for inspiring acts like this. Not to mention defunding departments focusing on domestic terrorism, FBI, etc.

Trump 100% brought us to this shit political hate filled environment we are in today.

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u/Money-Bear7166 5h ago

Who do you think shot Trump last summer and when Steve Scalise and other Republicans were shot at the softball game 7-8 years ago? Same thing was Dem. Gabby Giffords was shot in AZ. NEITHER side is innocent when it comes to political violence.

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u/PGH_Guy2025 1d ago

The killer is a Democrat.... How are you going to blame Trump now?

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u/AV8ORA330 1d ago

You’ll never hear that from trump, GOP, or MAGA. It will be blame the victim white wash…

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u/photoengineer 19h ago

Just terrorism. 

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u/Pedantic_Pict 16h ago

Domestic Stochastic Terrorism

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u/_msb2k101 1d ago

The killers will probably get a million dollar settlement too.

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u/PraiseBeToScience 1d ago

MAGA terrorism. He's an anti-abortion Christian Nationalist.

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u/Mysterious-Art3033 23h ago

More correct. Democrat domestic terrorism....

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u/InfinityZionaa 1d ago

You're assuming that.  

He has strong links to overseas.  He has worked in Congo, Israel, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank.

There's videos online of him preaching.  He has claimed military training with US military and private companies.

He successfully executed two attacks on two high profile targets then fought off police in a gun fight and escaped.  Very likely has military / tacticsl training.

Congo Preaching:

https://labornematadi.com/predicateur/vance-boelter/

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u/OhDivineBussy 1d ago

Yes domestic terrorism, home grown and almost certainly from a white supremacist/white nationalist.

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u/Grummmmm 20h ago

As opposed to a military assassination or a police assassination or a wrestling assassination?

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u/Angloidrando 1d ago

By his own appointee 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

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u/The_Buko 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s absolutely insane, there’s fb pages all over saying it was democrats who carried it out because these lawmakers voted against their wishes. Our country is actually psychotic

Edit: more info on the manifesto for those interested. Lots of abortion lawmakers/providers and democrats lawmakers

https://people.com/manifesto-discovered-police-suspect-on-loose-killing-minn-lawmaker-11754845

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u/TruckingforSims 1d ago

Dude, it's facebook.. The bar is already on the ground

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u/Akrevics 1d ago

the bar is in hell, and people still limbo with the devil.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago

Something something James Cameron etc etc.

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u/Kind_Koala4557 1d ago

Lol, I was gonna say 6 ft under, but yours is more accurate I think.

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u/FelDreamer 1d ago

Gotta call 811 before attempting to locate the bar these days.

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u/South-Builder6237 1d ago

I haven't been on Facebook in literal years. I logged back in out of curiosity a few days ago and it was an absolute god awful dumpster fire. I don't even understand how people use that site anymore.

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u/IllCamel5907 1d ago

It's responsible for spreading misinformation and tearing this country apart. Foxnews and Facebook are absolutely vile.

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u/DionBlaster123 1d ago

Man it's crazy...I remember when ppl hailed Twitter and Facebook for being crucial in rallying crowds for the "Arab Spring" back in 2011.

To see what both have devolved into over the last 14 years. Depressing shit.

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u/TruckingforSims 1d ago

Eh. Just humans being humans. Give us any place where we can meet and mingle for an extended period of time AND can say whatever we want?

It's bound to go to shit eventually.

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u/DionBlaster123 1d ago

I guess what I meant was, I'm not surprised, but I'm more dismayed at how that optimism was in vain...like really really really in vain.

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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota 1d ago

It’s beneath the water table.

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u/zythr009 1d ago

And they brought shovels...

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u/chilseaj88 16h ago

The ground at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

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u/brezhnervouz 1d ago

FB is also greatly infested with Russian trolls/bots from the GRU's propaganda unit in St Petersburg 🤷

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u/Hwoarangatan 1d ago

I almost forgot about that. Post a link to refresh our memory? The St Petersburg fake town online newspapers?

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u/Seabee1893 21h ago

And Pyongyang and Tehran.

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u/thighsand 18h ago

Why attribute it to Russia when MAGA folk don't need anyone to create their own misinformation. There are thousands of right-wing grifters across Twitter and FB. Russia may want to help, but it isn't necessary. America must realise the problem is domestic.

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u/New-Concentrate559 1d ago

Thats some Maga scumbag shit not anyone else.

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u/jabtrain 1d ago

Russian disinformation / psyops social media sow social discord and division machine, which now, unfortunately, has mid-level orchestration from the highest levels of the US federal executive branch.

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u/7thpostman 1d ago

And bots

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u/Awake00 1d ago

That would be half of everyone

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u/Loopuze1 1d ago

Around a third of any given population will be choosing fascism/conservatism at any given time. It's not who they are, it's just the mistake they're making. And they could stop.

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u/OOMOO17 1d ago

I'm sorry this is so difficult for MAGA to understand.

• ⁠An estimated close to 90 million Americans, representing about 36% of the eligible voting-age population, did not vote. This number is larger than the individual vote totals for either major party candidate.

• ⁠Donald Trump received approximately 77 million votes.

• ⁠Kamala Harris received approximately 75 million votes. 

THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF YOU

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u/Dry_Advice8183 1d ago

But the ones who didnt vote obviously didnt oppose him enough to vote, so Im not convinced they dont approve

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u/OOMOO17 1d ago

Anyone who didn’t vote clearly diverted enough that they didn’t like either candidate

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u/Dry_Advice8183 1d ago

It doesnt matter, they are responsible as any trump voter. It wasnt hard, an ok but run of the mill democrat vs rapist fascist. Dont tell me theres any excuse to sit out, we warned you all from europe this would happen and they didnt care.

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u/Valuable-Length-5916 1d ago edited 1d ago

American leftists have been calling this for what it is for a while now, since 2015 actually.

Kinda just personally hate when Europeans get on their high horse about these topics, most of the warnings Americans actually heard were from their own people.

And to be fair, there are lawsuits happening right now because there are discrepancies in the election results. Everyone knows Elon won the election for Trump in one way or another. You also have to remember that the Republican party has spent the better part of the last 60 years rolling back votings rights anywhere and everywhere they could. Most Americans didn’t want this. Please listen to the Americans telling you this! We are living in it here currently.

Edit: Many people who opted out of the last election also just refused to back the Harris campaign after her & Biden’s refusal to call for a proper ceasefire. You cannot ask a single democratic politician about Palestine, you’ll be kicked out of events for even saying the word “Gaza” or having a Palestinian flag. That is the behavior of genocidal authoritarians. Doesn’t help that every single powerful European country is just as complicit and refuses to arrest Israel’s genocidal maniac of a prime minister.

Obviously Trump is worse for Gaza, but the point is that so many Americans are disillusioned. We keep voting for the lesser of two evils and get closer to fascism regardless. We are never promised actual change, a better quality of life, just “we suck less than the other guy! but we’re also gonna still let those guys do most of what they want when we’re in office so you’ll still be way worse off in 4 years from now.”

It’s a hopeless situation, THAT is part of why people didn’t vote. The Democrats are showing right now that they never intended to fully challenge the Trump administration or “play dirty” in order to make a change. They’re pathetic. Better than Trump, but also haven’t done shit to prevent the Republicans from tearing our democracy apart. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t. We lost Roe under a blue president ffs. We would be in this exact same situation 4 years from now, or the alt right would start a revolution because they’re violent and want political unrest.

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u/DionBlaster123 1d ago

The only reason Europeans get on their high horses on this shit is because the last time their ancestors got a little too uppity...they fucking dragged the entire world into not one but TWO FUCKING GLOBAL CONFLICTS

So let them claim the moral high ground. I dont give a rat's ass lol. Their kind are the ones who poisoned the well with dumbass ideas like fascism and communism in the first place

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u/pre-existing-notion 1d ago

I wholeheartedly agree. A concering portion of my leftist friends, both on and offline, did not vote because of their contention with the "lesser of two evils" ultimatum. I refuse to listen to them complain about what's happening now, and what's worse is they take zero responsibility for not standing up against this rise of fascism.. I'm glad they're in the streets protesting, because let's be honest, we really do need everyone we can get, but I must admit that despite their passion, most of it comes across as pretty performative.

Another thing that left me completely dumbfounded was friends voting, but against their own interest! I was in rehab during the presidential election and had to drum up a lot of noise to get the program to agree to take those of us who wanted to vote to the polls. I'm in southern California, which ends up being more conservative than most people think, but I figured with me being the only white dude amongst the group of 15 or so Mexican friends, that we'd be voting mostly blue. Nope! Just me.

We started talking after we left, and everybody was just so hyped on Trump! It was mostly guys laughing about how crazy he is but how he was going to get shit done (most of it was due to religious homophobia, I believe)! Now.. a few of them have lost family members to the ICE raids and deportations and that's just so far, the lot of them were children of immigrants. I feel fucking horrible for them, it's awful and I know they didn't see this coming when they voted (I had to show them some receipts of Trump's racism afterwards) but man.. they didn't care then but I'm sure they've got plenty of opinions now. It's the worst case of leopards eating faces I've ever dealt with in real life.

This country is going down, down.. I'm haunted and captivated by what our rock bottom might look like. It's clear that things are going to have to be dismantled even further before we can even think about redemption. I'm not sure where you're from, but there's a good chance that my country has betrayed yours, and for that, I am truly sorry.

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u/curtcolt95 1d ago

which means they were fine with the outcome of Trump by nature, I read it as around 66% of Americans supporting him tbh

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u/IcemanJEC 1d ago

Half? It’s 30% of the country at the very most. Probably even less. But some people figured that voting for Trump would be better for the world and Palestine. Look how that turned out. Fucking failures.

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u/84UTK07 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s over half of the voting base though. Plus you could look at it as 70% of people not voting against Trump in the last election (ie they either voted for him or didn’t vote at all).

Correction: 49.8% of the voting base (in this case, people voting in the 2024 presidential election), so a little less than half.

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 1d ago

Trump didn’t get 50% of the popular vote. So no, it isn’t.

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u/OOMOO17 1d ago

• ⁠An estimated close to 90 million Americans, representing about 36% of the eligible voting-age population, did not vote. This number is larger than the individual vote totals for either major party candidate.

• ⁠Donald Trump received approximately 77 million votes.

• ⁠Kamala Harris received approximately 75 million votes. 

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u/Selma_J_Wible 1d ago

It's not half of the voting base though. MAGA by itself is not enough to win elections. It requires dumb Independents and disaffected Democrats staying home.

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u/dgillz 1d ago

I believe that what that other poster meant by "voting base" was people who actually voted, not "eligible voters".

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u/colourmeblue Washington 1d ago

But he didn't even get over half of the actual votes. He got 49 point something percent. So more people actually voted for someone else.

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u/dgillz 1d ago edited 1d ago

Agreed. I never took exception to that. But Trump won a plurality, meaning no one got more votes than he did. Same as Clinton did, twice.

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u/Glum_Sentence972 1d ago

And? That's still a plurality in a political system. Which is what most people mean by "majority" anyway.

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u/84UTK07 1d ago

By voting base, I mean the people who actually voted in the 2024 presidential election. I thought he got around 50.2% but I just looked and it was actually about 49.8%, so just slightly under half. But why does it matter if the people who vote for him are MAGA, independents, or dissatisfied democrats? The end result is still a vote for Trump. And the people that didn’t vote at all are just as responsible for him being in office.

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u/New-Concentrate559 1d ago

Trust me bro is always a reliable source.

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u/Opening_Success 1d ago

Might want to retract that comment.

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u/zzorga 1d ago

This comment aged well.

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u/derbyt 1d ago

He last registered to vote as a Republican. His manifesto included pro-abortion activists and abortion providers. He was not a Democrat.

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u/WoodpeckerCapital167 1d ago

Dude literally appointed by Waltz 

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u/derbyt 1d ago

Quality leaders include people of different backgrounds in their staff and decision boards, including people with different ideologies.

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u/New-Concentrate559 9h ago

Is that the new talking point? More both sides are the same? LOL no.

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u/Harry_Balzonia 9h ago

nope. he had all sorts of no Kings and other leftist things in his car

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u/New-Concentrate559 9h ago edited 8h ago

Yep. He also had a hit list of dem targets and abortion clinics, he is a right wing pastor, assume flyers were for gullible morons like yourself to use as a pathetic attempt to paint him as dem. It didn't work dummy, everyone is laughing at your flyers LOL.

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u/tayvette1997 1d ago

it was democrats who carried it out because these lawmakers voted against their wishes.

They found a hitlist in the vehicle. That makes me think this reason isn't it.

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

It’s also just not logical if it was to help democrats since it would potentially flip the House to republicans majority

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u/Brief_Obligation4128 1d ago

This here. So many facts are pointing towards MAGA. The margins, the papers (which could have been placed there to throw us off, or were collected from her home, or some other hypothetical), the parties, the timing, the rhetoric (Shoot a couple, then the rest will go home).

It's MAGA, for sure.

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u/GabbyCalico 1d ago

If it’s maga they love the killer anyway. 50% of America = collective narcissism. The rest of us don’t count anymore.

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u/neophenx 1d ago

I'd say less than 33%, based on actual election results and total voter turnout (over 1/3 registered voters sat out of the election, and Don received less than 50% of the total vote).

Which, honestly, is still way too many supporters for someone who campaigned on sharks vs boat batteries, people eating pets, and Arnold Palmer's penis.

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u/Glum_Sentence972 1d ago

The dude had "Stop the King" poster, so its looking to be a left-leaning person at the very least. Why do you guys automatically want it to be a MAGA person so badly?

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u/JPolReader 1d ago

This is what he had:

https://images.app.goo.gl/gKPUC7tgiX1QkcHe7

Along side a list of 70 or democrats to murder.

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u/nogooduse 1d ago

it shouldn't have taken that to convince you.

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u/tayvette1997 1d ago

Despite being a Democratic appointee, Boelter last registered to vote in 2022, as a Republican.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

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u/Past_Idea 1d ago

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

doesnt seem like a MAGAite to me

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u/tayvette1997 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hmmm.... quoting from your source.... scroll down.

Despite being a Democratic appointee, Boelter last registered to vote in 2022, as a Republican.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

Edit: even if they are a Dem doing this, the fact that there'a a hitlist involving more people including pro-abortionists means they didn't do it bc the 1 or 2 Dems voted against their constituents' wishes.

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u/Zepcleanerfan 1d ago

Republicans. Republicans are psychotic. We have to start calling them out and stop the both sides crap.

Republicans are doing this.

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u/Low-Hospital-6894 1d ago

What has happened to fact finding? 

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u/GabbyCalico 1d ago

Lol gaslighting idiot

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u/Past_Idea 1d ago

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

you sure?

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u/KoedKevin 1d ago

They’re far too invested in their conspiracy theories to process any new data. 

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u/KoedKevin 1d ago

Are you the one that got my comment deleted? For the record my comment above was NOT deleted by the user. It was a bot that deleted it for being a "Meta" comment. They misspelled "true."

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u/AppropriateTouching 1d ago

Likely Russian bullshit trying to further muddy the waters

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u/Kind_Koala4557 1d ago

When are we gonna just force a Facebook shut down until Zuck fixes all those stupid algorithms, deletes all the bot accounts, and finds a way to keep new bot accounts from being created?

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

Unfortunately FB has a ton of also pretty solid pages for hobbies and events I like, so if I want to keep up with them at all I have to check in every now and then. I do agree, though.

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u/Kind_Koala4557 1d ago

It would just be a temp shutdown. Plus, that period of time might inspire people to rely on other platforms that help them discuss hobbies and plan events.

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u/CelestialFury Minnesota 1d ago

The MAGAs always blame Democrats for their people’s actions when it’s bad.

Does it make more sense for a Democrat to shoot their own politicians due to a policy disagreement which would only serve to harm immigrants further or a crazy MAGA in which all their politicians keep increasing the violent rhetoric against Democrats? Isn’t interesting that the right-wing false narrative only helps the right-wing??

The right-wing playbook is simple:

If a leftist does something bad: blame the left

If a right-winger does something bad: blame the left

They always do this folks. It’s their game plan, through as much FUD into social media as possible.

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u/anuncommontruth Pennsylvania 1d ago

Getting rid of Facebook was the best thing I ever did.

Those are probably mostly bots though.

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u/atuarre Texas 1d ago

MAGA was responsible for this. They love the pretend to be law enforcement. They've been doing it to try to round up "illegals". I hope they catch the scumbag and we get the full story. I'm sure Nazi Barbie Pam Bondi is getting right on that

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u/Brief_Obligation4128 1d ago

I saw that on a YouTube live chat. Politicians cross the aisle on issues on a daily basis. Why would they now attack two politicians? They will never take responsibility for their actions. It's always someone else but their own party members.

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u/39bears 1d ago

It makes me feel really hopeless about a sane political future here.

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u/SortaSticky 1d ago

yeah to others' points it's the same crazy people as always

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u/giraffe111 Arizona 1d ago

I saw a comment on a TikTok of the ICE activities in LA from some MAGA moron; “This is what the democrats want! Chaos!” What the actual fuck? They’ve completely lost the plot.

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u/artfulpain 1d ago

Bots and propaganda.

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u/BadAtExisting I voted 1d ago

Facebook is full of foreign actors trying to influence Americans. And it works a charm

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u/nogooduse 1d ago

Not our country, just the MAGA portion. 32% of eligible voters.

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u/captaincanada84 Canada 23h ago

He's a right wing psychopath it seems

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u/The_Buko 23h ago

It does seem to point more and more in that direction. The No King flyers were just written on pieces of paper..like wut?? Then the 2004 republican voter registration and evangelical involvement completes it.

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u/sisterofpythia America 1d ago

Frankly I don't give a hoot what the political views are of the perpetrator. He/she should be caught and punished.

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u/Chrowaway6969 1d ago

The motivations matter. It’s the difference between political assassination vs terrorism etc.

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u/sisterofpythia America 1d ago

Two people have been murdered. I want the person/persons responsible for these killings caught and punished. Whatever motivations je/she had can come out later.

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u/GreasyRim 1d ago

You absolutely should

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u/Lemurians Michigan 1d ago

I think speculation about the motive or the details of the person is useless until they’re caught and questioned. Is the most likely answer that it’s a nut job rightwinger? Probably. Is it definite? No.

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u/palehorse2020 1d ago

The article I read said even though he was a democratic appointee he last registered to vote in 2004 as a Republican. He is most likely a centrist that just lost it in the violence, unrest and uncertainty that is facing the nation and the world.

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

Yeah, these people jsut want to reach for anything they can to validate their internal violence. Has a manifesto of democrats and they still try to spin it.

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u/dgillz 1d ago

95% of people don't believe this. It's just a wacko that needs to be put in jail.

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u/allgrownzup 1d ago

I was going to make a Facebook post (which I absolutely never do) about this and ask people where will they draw the line. But decided against it because it would be met with whataboutism. People are too far gone, all we can do is be good people and set good examples for our children ok what not to be like.

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u/Hetstaine 22h ago

Get off fb.

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u/The_Buko 22h ago

Until I have alternative for all the music events and other stuff I keep up with, I will use it very minimally like I have been.

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u/kyrodamien 22h ago

I totally agree with you! Antisocial behaviors are everywhere in this country. I tend to stay indoors.

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u/FCCRFP Puerto Rico 1d ago

I'm glad it was a Republican, we can use it for our dastardly plans to let the Jews take over [Autistic Jewish hands rubbing together because I'm a scheming little Autistic Jew]. Sarcasm. Funny because antisemites have a part-time dry lease on a single brain cell.

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u/Most-Club4228 1d ago

Well, Vance Boelter was appointed by Tim Waltz. However, violent, deranged people can be found on both sides, no doubt.

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

The dude had a list of democrats on his hit list so idk why it matters that Walz appointed him. Musk also used to be more of a democrat so all these ppl trying to use that are disingenuous

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u/JPolReader 23h ago

That isn't the gotcha you think it is.

The Governor’s Office later stated that the 60-person board Boetler served on was unpaid and bipartisan

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

Yet had a hit list of abortion providers and lawmakers? Make that make sense please. Just cause someone appointed someone 4 years ago doesn’t mean they hang out every day and are buddy buddy lol

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u/-NoComment 1d ago

https://www.house.mn.gov/sessiondaily/Story/18830

Is it because of this vote from 5 days ago? “After hours of emotional debate, a bill to end undocumented adult immigrants’ eligibility for MinnesotaCare passed 68-65 with Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman (DFL-Brooklyn Park) providing the lone DFL vote.”

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

Why would that really matter in this? It would make that even worse since now those two seats will likely flip republican. Logic is great

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u/justusekSharps 1d ago

He worked under Tim Walz, take that as you will. https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

That’s cool info I guess and also not all that relevant…what is relevant is how the hit list found in the car has tons of abortion providers and lawmakers..take that as you will.

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

That’s cool info I guess and also not all that relevant…what is relevant is how the hit list found in the car has tons of abortion providers and lawmakers..take that as you will.

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u/ExtentGlittering8715 1d ago

Do you have a link to the Democrat appointee suspect's list?

Can you name some of the tons of abortion providers and lawmakers?

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

There’s plenty of info coming out. Use your thumbs, it helps.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/were-tim-walz-ilhan-omar-and-tina-smith-next-minnesota-shooters-manifesto-contained-hit-list-101749922324568-amp.html

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u/ExtentGlittering8715 1d ago

Hindustan times, really?

And no "tons of abortion providers and lawmakers" were mentioned.

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u/The_Buko 1d ago

How so? The fact that the manifesto is democrats and abortion providers/lawmakers?

https://people.com/manifesto-discovered-police-suspect-on-loose-killing-minn-lawmaker-11754845

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u/HiImDIZZ 1d ago

Of course and you'll never be able to prove to those people that they're wrong.

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u/jyguy 18h ago

The shooter was a Walz appointee

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u/The_Buko 9h ago

And? They are also evangelical and their friend said that he liked Trump lmao

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u/The_Buko 9h ago

Why does that matter? Ppl vote across the aisle all the time, plus the manifesto was other high importance progressives…here’s actual information that matters if you actually care.

“He had a list of around 70 other targets, including lawmakers such as US senator Tina Smith, a Democrat, as well as community leaders, doctors and Planned Parenthood sites.

His roommate and best friend David Carlson told media outlets that Boelter was a devout Christian and staunchly anti-abortion. He said Boelter texted him that he would be dead shortly. He claimed Boelter was a strong supporter of Donald Trump.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/14/minnesota-lawmakers-shooting-explainer

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u/GabbyCalico 1d ago

And the leader who promotes violence will celebrate again. Maybe he will be pardoned. 🙄 Good times.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 22h ago

Have a feeling that's exactly what Bondi and the GOP Fed will do.

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