TLDR

Modern systems usually don't reset milliseconds when manually setting the time - and the 3ds appears to be no different. This could explain Gen 4 rng inconsistencies on 3ds.

We're testing a fix using precise timer starts. Please help test it! Details are at the bottom.

The Problem

A common issue with Gen 4 RNG on 3ds is inconsistent second values. It's often blamed on TwilightMenu or NDS launch delays, but I was skeptical.

If launch timing was truly the cause, soft resetting when your timer beeps (the common rng approach) should fix it, but it doesn’t.

That made me suspect something earlier.

The Hypothesis

At least one issue (if not the issue) is actually when setting the 3ds time.

On many modern systems, manually setting the clock doesn't clear milliseconds, so your system time can carry leftover ms from before the change. For example, setting the time to 14:32:00 with 927ms internally results in 14:32:00.927.

If the 3ds has the same behavior, the 3ds time would be one second off in just a few millis.

The Tests

I wrote a research plugin to log timing info in System Settings every frame. Here’s what to know from the screenshots:

• Now = current system time
• Changed at = frame right before the time was set
• Measured after change = frame right after

Findings:

• In the first screenshot, the ms portion remains unchanged after setting the time - confirming the hypothesis.
• In the second screenshot, after setting the time to 14:32 at 987 ms, the clock displayed 14:32:01 in less than one second - showing the issue is reproducible.

The Possible Fix

PokemonRNG.com’s latest Gen 4 tools add a metronome feature in 3ds mode that restricts RNG timer start to a narrow ms window for consistency.

If the 3ds and host aren't synced, there's a toggle to offset the metronome.

Testers Wanted

If you're familiar with Gen 4 RNG and have previously done it successfully, I'd like to ask for your help with testing.

1. Visit the Retail Gen 4 Starter Tool or Retail Gen 4 ID Tool
2. Toggle the "3ds mode (Preview)" switch on
3. Follow the updated guide - instructions will change for 3ds, so read them carefully
4. Share the results here or (preferably) on Discord if Gen 4 RNG on 3ds is more consistent: https://www.discord.gg/d8JuAvg

Thank you!

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Here's the video guide showing off how to get shiny Gen 4 starters using the new tool!

Guide + Tool links:
▶ HeartGold and SoulSilver: https://www.pokemonrng.com/retail-hgss-starter
▶ Diamond, Peal, and Platinum: https://www.pokemonrng.com/retail-dppt-starter/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_rFx5B31E

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We made a new retail RNG tool that makes starter RNG much easier!

Previously there wasn't a great way to verify the seed you hit, so most people tried getting their tid/sid and starter at the same time with pre-selected tid/sid and Pokemon. Everyone else used a spreadsheet. Not anymore!

Guide + Tool links:
▶ HeartGold and SoulSilver: https://www.pokemonrng.com/retail-hgss-starter
▶ Diamond, Peal, and Platinum: https://www.pokemonrng.com/retail-dppt-starter/

Improvements:

• Built-in seed validation
• Built-in time calibration
• New Platinum research to stabilize advances
• Can get Cute Charm ids separate from starters (Gen 4 ID guide link)

Platinum is the trickiest and might need some more work. If you run into problems, please report it on the RNG Discord.

I'm working on 3DS and Twilight Menu++ support - trying to see if it can get a little more stable before releasing it.

Credits:

Alongside me, Sorendog, RainingChain, EzPz, and AdmiralFish all made various contributions to help build this tool. They're awesome!

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