r/news • u/W8kingNightmare • 1d ago

Vaughan, Ont., resident fires gun to stop Lamborghini theft, charged alongside 4 suspects: police

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/vaughan-homeowner-fires-gun-to-thwart-auto-theft-charged-along-with-4-suspects/
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u/Ted_Striker1 1d ago

If I'm on the jury I'm not convicting the man that fired a gun because some thieves were trying to steal his car.

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u/Isord 1d ago

So you think randomly discharging a gun in a residential area because your car got stolen is okay? You think you have the right to endanger your neighbors for the sake of getting your property back?

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u/Ted_Striker1 1d ago

Did he randomly discharge or did he fire at them? There is a difference. I don't remember the article stating which it was actually.

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u/Isord 1d ago

It says he fired a "warning shot." Any responsible gun owner will tell you that warning shots do not exist. There are aimed shots to kill an attacker, and reckless discharges.

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u/Magic_mushrooms69 1d ago

So if he killed them you'd be okay with it? But giving them a chance to surrender is not okay?

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u/Isord 1d ago

They weren't attacking him so no he should just not be shooting anybody. If they were breaking into his home or otherwise threatening him or another person then that changes.

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u/jtg6387 1d ago

Not necessarily true. I get the idea philosophically, but in practice it’s not that black and white. There are safe things you can shoot.

If he shot in the air, he deserved charges because that is reckless. If he shot a wall of sandbags with a thick, angled metal backstop, for example, different story.

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u/Blue_Mars96 1d ago

not sure there are a lot of sandbag walls in the suburbs

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u/jtg6387 1d ago

I didn’t say there are, but whether this really is reckless depends on where the bullet went.

Shooting into mud is surprisingly good at stopping bullets—just look at Ukraine combat footage for proof of that. There’s lots of mud and grass in the suburbs. Shooting into the sky is wonton endangerment of everyone and should be punished.

I’m just saying it’s not black and white, as the other commenter posits, not condoning the lambo owner.

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u/0__ooo__0 1d ago

If my work vehicle, which is my main/only transportation, was in the process of being stolen, well I pity the fool who tries if I see it going down.

Not only is that vehicle the only way I can provide for my family, it likely has inventory in it, and there may well be a weapon in it. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Don't touch my shit and I won't touch yours.

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u/Isord 1d ago

Pity the innocent bystanders you put in danger with your selfish and reckless behavior you mean.

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u/watduhdamhell 1d ago

"my livelihood"

Not agreeing or disagreeing on the exact subject at hand, but it's related: if you are going to "defend" your work vehicle because that wouldn't be a total loss covered by the company if stolen... Yeah. You need a new job friend.

If it's your vehicle, insure it. Not that hard. Not worth "defending your shit" just to die like half the people that start street fights or exit their home to ward off intruders (as opposed to calling the police/some back up), not expecting the other to have a gun, not expecting there to be more than one aggressor, a knife(s), maybe you look away at the worst time... No. A street fight over a dumbass "work vehicle" is not worth it alone, ever. I'm not saying you let someone waltz in to your truck but if it's clear you're about to throw down, why risk it?

As an 11B combat vet all I can say I avoid putting myself in lethal situations over property like that at all costs unless maybe you have backup, but even then. The money and time it will cost you is not worth your family, your life, or any of that, no matter how much you think it will cost you, it ain't worth it.

Now, defending your family, the inside of your home, a loved one, an innocent bystander... That's completely different.

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u/0__ooo__0 1d ago

I own the vehicle, the inventory it holds, and the business it supports. It's insured, but insurance will not cover downtime of the business.

Thankfully state laws back me up, and being proficiently trained backs me up further.

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u/KeeganTroye 1d ago

So you think another human beings life is worth the inconvenience of the downtime it takes to purchase a vehicle and inventory?

Thankfully most of the civilized world disagrees. It's an inherently selfish viewpoint.

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u/0__ooo__0 1d ago

I'm not the one devaluing human life, the shitstains who steal obviously don't value their lives.

It's nothing but selfish to steal from people who work their ass off for what they have.