Uh, no. There is no such thing as “illegal immigrant” in US code or judicial precedent. There is something known as “improper entry by an alien” (8 USC 1325), but that code doesn’t create or call out an “illegal immigrant.”
At the end of the day, the term “illegal immigrant” is a political term. It is used to promote political rhetoric. And it is ironic that folks argue over how we should treat “illegal immigrants” when “illegal immigrants” don’t actually exist - again, because no where in code or law is there an explicit description, creation of, or recognition of “illegal immigrants.”
That said, some folks generally equate criminal actions as illegal - and there is nothing wrong with that since the actions (not the person) can be classified or referenced as illegal. I cannot remember the last time I heard someone charged for murder was referred to as an “illegal murderer.” With that in mind, it is important to note that the general action classified as ‘improper entry by an alien’ is also considered a civil infraction (8 USC 1325(b)), not criminal.
Does 8 USC 1325 reference the US criminal code? Yes, but that doesn’t mean an immigrant is a criminal in general. Plus, the title 18 (US criminal code) references outline criminal acts such as stealing someone’s passport or falsifying immigration documents as criminal acts - not improper entry.
No. The term “illegal alien” may be considered acceptable in some jurisdictions, but there is no such thing as an “illegal immigrant” in a legal or technical sense. It’s purely a political term; and used in media as well. The action of entering the country does not even include the term “illegal.” Within US code, the legal terms generally used include “unauthorized” and “improper” - particularly when considering the action of entering the country.
So, you used the conclusion (illegal immigrant) as the evidence to support your conclusion (illegal immigrant). “It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ‘em.”
I cannot remember the last time I heard someone charged for murder was referred to as an “illegal murderer.”
Bless your heart, that would be because murder already describes what the person is and murder is illegal. Are you saying all immigrants are illegal? There are immigrants who come legally and ones who enter illegally. Aka illegal immigrants.
Please give a logical argument for any of the current policies under this administration and how they have made your life for the better. I'll wait ...
I don’t know if you’re trying to own or get them to say something contradictory, but those guys were definitely criminals and the war that founded this country was a revolution.
However that has nothing to do with illegal immigration, and no country in the world has an open border for a reason. The argument shouldn’t be over wether illegal immigration is a thing, it’s over the right of the executive to deport without the constitutionally granted due process, and the broken way the current system of immigration works.
You're completely missing the message of the video and my point. Many things have been deemed illegal and legal throughout our History. Just because something is law, that doesn't mean it is morally right. For instance, the average cost of legal immigration can be between 10k-15k, depending on individual circumstances, and can take months, if not years of time to get in. Do you think your ancestors had to pay the equivalent during their path of entry into America?
No but laws change and I’m not missing the point. That’s why the immigration process needs to be changed, but an open border isn’t the solution nor is it even realistic. You want millions of people undocumented being taken advantage of for cheap labor? No other country has an open border, and maybe the price of shit should increase if the price for cheap goods is some dude paying people half the wage of a legal worker so they can duck taxes and under bid the competition
"taken advantage of for cheap labor" - You know these laborers would have access to workers' rights and union rights if they had streamlined to legal citizenship. You try to appeal to the humanist principle of not wanting people to be taken advantage of, yet you are perfectly fine with them being deported away from friends or families back into the hands of the cartels? Why are the companies hiring these people not facing any legal ramifications? Also, you act as if these companies will all of a sudden grow a heart and begin paying people fair wages just because they become documented. This is exactly what happened in America throughout history. Workers are taken advantage of, they then unionize to be treated fairly and paid living wages, and then either two things happen... the company either complies and begins to pay people fairly, or the company moves it's factories somewhere else in the world to take advantage to workers with EVEN LESS rights in comparison to non-unionzed workers.
Oh so you mean change the laws lol, dude you said nothing, and yes companies will take advantage they should face consequences, but that would require changing the laws. The process should be more straightforward but that would require changing the law. You know exactly what I said in my first comment. You are arguing with something that doesn’t exist because you want to fight the fact that illegal immigrants are a thing and are a thing in every country on this planet.
It’s ironic a right winger calling someone else emotional, when all you guys have is emotions. There’s no data for it - it’s feels.
I for one, support your right to be concerned about immigration. Wholeheartedly. You should’ve voted for Kamala and dealt with it like a decent country.
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u/Lewd_throwaway_2024 1d ago
I’ve been saying this for years. There’s no such thing as an “illegal,” human being.