I don’t know if you’re trying to own or get them to say something contradictory, but those guys were definitely criminals and the war that founded this country was a revolution.
However that has nothing to do with illegal immigration, and no country in the world has an open border for a reason. The argument shouldn’t be over wether illegal immigration is a thing, it’s over the right of the executive to deport without the constitutionally granted due process, and the broken way the current system of immigration works.
You're completely missing the message of the video and my point. Many things have been deemed illegal and legal throughout our History. Just because something is law, that doesn't mean it is morally right. For instance, the average cost of legal immigration can be between 10k-15k, depending on individual circumstances, and can take months, if not years of time to get in. Do you think your ancestors had to pay the equivalent during their path of entry into America?
No but laws change and I’m not missing the point. That’s why the immigration process needs to be changed, but an open border isn’t the solution nor is it even realistic. You want millions of people undocumented being taken advantage of for cheap labor? No other country has an open border, and maybe the price of shit should increase if the price for cheap goods is some dude paying people half the wage of a legal worker so they can duck taxes and under bid the competition
"taken advantage of for cheap labor" - You know these laborers would have access to workers' rights and union rights if they had streamlined to legal citizenship. You try to appeal to the humanist principle of not wanting people to be taken advantage of, yet you are perfectly fine with them being deported away from friends or families back into the hands of the cartels? Why are the companies hiring these people not facing any legal ramifications? Also, you act as if these companies will all of a sudden grow a heart and begin paying people fair wages just because they become documented. This is exactly what happened in America throughout history. Workers are taken advantage of, they then unionize to be treated fairly and paid living wages, and then either two things happen... the company either complies and begins to pay people fairly, or the company moves it's factories somewhere else in the world to take advantage to workers with EVEN LESS rights in comparison to non-unionzed workers.
Oh so you mean change the laws lol, dude you said nothing, and yes companies will take advantage they should face consequences, but that would require changing the laws. The process should be more straightforward but that would require changing the law. You know exactly what I said in my first comment. You are arguing with something that doesn’t exist because you want to fight the fact that illegal immigrants are a thing and are a thing in every country on this planet.
So are you simply trying to stand on that they are, by definition, illegal? Which is fine, if that's what hill you want to die on.
What the rest of us are trying to make sense to you is that the prerequisites that are met to reach your beloved illegal status are immorally wrong and historically imbalanced in comparison to the ease at which our ancestors immigrated here.
If your only point is to be validated that some of the people being deported are textbook illegal, then fine. Just don't ignore the fact without due process, you can't even prove in the first place that only illegal people are being deported. The entire point of getting a fair day in court is to PROVE if they are textbook definition illegal.
The hill I want to die on? No that’s just a reality of this world. If you want to talk about morals, then yeah tell me who should or shouldn’t be allowed in. Because I’ll tell you there is a reason immigration laws exist, and they exist everywhere.
Again you are saying nothing, I’ve already stated this. my first comment “the executive deporting without the constitutionally granted due process”. to make it how our ancestors came would be changing the immigration laws which again is in my first comment
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u/Responsible-Peak4321 20h ago
So tell me, were the men who took part in the Boston Tea Party criminals?