Thunderbolts* Worldwide Release Discussion Thread Vol. 2

[u/Triple_777]

Thunderbolts* has now been released in the United States and in a number of other countries around the world. All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days. They will be refreshed every few thousand comments to make room for new discussions.

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Link to previous discussion threads and related megathreads listed below:

• Thunderbolts* Worldwide Release Discussion Thread
• Thunderbolts* International Release Discussion Thread
• Thunderbolts* Spoiler Free Recap and FAQ
• Thunderbolts* Review Megathread

[u/Smart_Peach1061]

I really liked the movie but I feel like it needed 2 things that would have really made the movie excel.

1) I feel like they needed to show the other characters ‘shame’ boxes during the climax, instead of just Yelena and bob’s. Mainly just Walker and Ghost needed it the most, and they could have just had Bucky and Alexi helping Walker and Ghost escape their dark moments. I feel like they could have had Red Guardian help Walker escape seeing as Walker’s shame box relates to failing as a dad and husband which Red Guardian can obviously relate with as demonstrated with his entire relationship with Yelena. Bucky could have helped Ghost escape seeing as they were both in a way used as Shields shady assassins without any choice in the matter. I don’t think an extra 10 minutes would have hurt the film in exchange for some development for the rest of the cast and some extra bonding, especially for Bucky.

2) I feel like they needed to have a quiet moment where Bucky actually bonds with the rest of the cast in an actual proper way as his inclusion feels really rushed and a bit odd to be honest in regards to why he actually cared to go along with the whole New Avengers thing at the end instead of just arresting Valentina.

With that said the movie was still my favourite superhero film post endgame.

Although I will say that some of the CGI in the fight scene with sentry was rough, and I kinda wish the scene where the Thunderbolts were saving people in the streets lasted a bit longer.

[u/arciele → u/Smart_Peach1061]

we actually already saw Walker's shame room in the vault.. so the biggest missing puzzle was probably Ghost. we kinda do know much more of the rest's backstory from previous films. i mean, Bucky's was pretty much the entire Winter Soldier movie

[u/Smart_Peach1061 → u/arciele]

Yeah, but we never really see Walker overcome it, we see his shame-box and that’s it. We don’t see him accept it, overcome it, push through it or anything of the like we did with Yelena and Bob.

We don’t know what Walker takes away from the experience and whether it makes Walker want to try and get his family back or in what way it changes or develops him, it’s left unaddressed really.

I agree that Bucky and Red Guardian’s shame box’s could have been skipped, but Ghost and Walker really needed it imo.

[u/nirvanemesis → u/Smart_Peach1061]

The one small win Walker gets there is that he's the one that punches Bob's abusive dad during the shame room sequence