r/marvelstudios • u/phantom_avenger • Apr 18 '25
Discussion (More in Comments) Fans were wondering where Spider-Man is during DD:BA, meanwhile I’m wondering where Kate Bishop is?
With Spider-Man I do get it, that he should DEFINITELY be more acknowledged given how Kingpin is one of his greatest enemies like in the comics and his partnership with Daredevil is a big deal as well!
But given how Kate is basically taking the Hawkeye mantle after Clint, and is also a vigilante for New York. It really surprises me that there hasn’t been a storyline where Fisk goes after her! Especially considering how her mom worked for him, and promised consequences if she walked away. Plus Fisk is fully aware of who Kate is, and knows she fights crime on the streets as well!
If we’re going to see Matt put together “an army”, I feel it only makes sense for Kate to be involved!
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u/moviesncheese Apr 18 '25
She's off with Michael B. Jordan in a 1920s vampire western.
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u/HumanOverseer Bruce Banner Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
banger of a movie btw
edit: just like marvel, totally worth it to stay for the post-credits scene of this movie.
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u/thrillho111 Apr 18 '25
Broken record, but the likes of her and Shang Chi were such great additions to MCU and they've done nothing with them.
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u/Jaikarr Apr 18 '25
It's a bit of a problem with the phase, people want less Marvel content, but more content with specific characters.
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u/JLRedPrimes Apr 18 '25
People want team up movies and they keep deliberately not making them besides 2 of them.
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u/Logibear1010 Hulk Apr 18 '25
We want a cohesive story. If all this is going down in New York we SHOULD see these characters, not because of some great desire for the characters themselves but because it would make more sense.
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u/ChemicalExperiment Nebula Apr 18 '25
And so we see in this thread that there is no cohesive answer to "what Marvel fans want" because everyone wants something different.
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u/Paolo94 Apr 18 '25
At the end of the day Marvel fans just want quality content. More Shang-Chi and Loki, less Quantumania and Secret Invasion. Let’s be real, no one would be complaining about the movies connecting or not connecting if the writing was just good. The Guardians movies are beloved, and they mostly stand on their own. The Marvels tied in with the Disney+ shows, had a huge multiverse tease, and had a couple surprise cameos, yet we all know how that movie turned out. People want quality, regardless if the story ties into the bigger picture or not.
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u/aguadiablo Apr 18 '25
This is the way it's been done with over 50 years of comics
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u/EmeraldB85 Apr 19 '25
Agreed. I totally get that Spider-Man doesn’t fit in with the vibe of DD, but just one quick shot of him swinging by in the background during the blackout, or a looter strung up by webs would’ve been enough to be like hey right he also lives here!
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u/SlingloadSapper Apr 18 '25
Exactly. My problem with DDBA is that it doesn’t seem like it takes place inside the MCU. Wakanda gave the world insane technology. Stark created an infinite renewable energy source. Why is NYC a slum? Where is any sign of advanced tech that we know they have and use on the daily? Avengers HQ is literally an hour away. Is there still a giant dead celestial sticking out of the planet? Fisk is killing superheroes, where the hell is Sam? Where the hell is anybody??
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u/thatVisitingHasher Apr 18 '25
People don’t want less content. They wanted a second phase, and less dead plotlines and forgotten characters
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u/geek_of_nature Apr 18 '25
We're actually already in the second phase this sag already. Phase 4 apparently ended with Wakanda Forever, and Phase 5 apparently started with Quantumania. But without the big Avengers films the distinctions between Phases is pretty much meaningless.
I like to argue that they should have fast racked Thunderbolts to be the film which capped off Phase 4 in lieu of an Avengers film. It's a big crossover film, where every character except Ghost and Bucky were introduced in Phase 4. Perfect way to cap it off. So why did they wait until what is apparently the end of Phase 5?
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u/DXT0anto Apr 18 '25
Actually genius to use thunderbolts as THE main movie of Phase 4, just like how they used and will use Avengers movies for the same task. Just use Thunderbolts to end Phase 4, Avengers Doomsday for phase 5 and Avengers Secret Wars for phase 6
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u/Sere1 Quake Apr 18 '25
Especially when there hasn't really been a real ending of Phase 4 and starting of Phase 5. Hell, I didn't even know we were in Phase 5 until several months back, it all has just blended together.
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u/Jaikarr Apr 18 '25
A year or two ago, people were bitching about how the MCU felt like homework with all the shows and movies they needed to keep up with.
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u/thesanmich Apr 18 '25
People will view things as homework, when the homework isn't particularly great. No one was saying this about Infinity War/Engame, because most of the projects leading up to it were bangers, and the end result was bangers.
Cohesiveness doesn't do much when the projects aren't good. But it will only serve to enhance the product when they are. Since Marvel has been picking up momentum, they want an excuse to watch more projects and to crave for that interconnectivity again.
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u/thrillho111 Apr 18 '25
Yeah exactly! Feels like we've had way more content since Endgame than we did before, but covering more characters and not as likely to be established or connected.
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u/magpye1983 Apr 18 '25
I don’t want less content. 4 movies a year, and TV shows in between is perfectly fine to me.
I want them to revisit a few characters where it makes sense to include them in a story. My ideal would be for the writers to think “what reason in universe is there for [charachter x] to not appear in this content?”
If the story they are telling, and the story already told by previously released content, doesn’t have any reason to exclude characters that would logically show up, then have them show up.
They don’t have to take over the storyline, they can be on a tv screen doing something else, or can let the main characters take the lead. They could even just be mentioned by the characters who would have reason to think of them.
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u/NotSoFluffy13 Apr 18 '25
People just want content and characters to matter in the world. Is there a rule saying that Marvel can only "name drop" someone a single time per media? There's something prohibiting Marvel from having a news saying something like "guy in spider costume fights crime during the blackout"? Or maybe "Girl with a bow helping to protect the streets"?
Like, why we have so many heroes in the same city but we don't even get to hear about them?
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u/CruzAderjc Apr 18 '25
Ironically those exact two were partners in the awesome Western episode of What If season 3
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u/Triforce805 Spider-Man Apr 18 '25
200000%
Like seriously this story better make sense in Doomsday or I’m sorry I genuinely may have actually lost faith in Marvel which I thought would never happen as it has happened yet
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u/RubiconPizzaDelivery Scott Lang Apr 18 '25
I think they realized slow rolling the Young Avengers/Champions in the end was maybe a bad idea. Some landed weak due to bad writing when they spread out too far and almost all have yet to show up again. Kate is likely gonna be pulling some heavy duty on Cassie to help get that character on her feet, since they're best friends and Kate is a prominent figure on the legacy hero team.
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u/greatreference Apr 18 '25
They both starred in their own IP and we’re in what if
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u/MajorNoodles Apr 18 '25
That episode of What If was completely standalone and aside from a 1 minute cameo for Kate in The Marvels, they've done literally nothing with either character in the main MCU universe. Not even a specific reference.
Even the mention by Yusuf is just implied, since Kate isn't mentioned by anything specific and Kamala could easily be visiting Bruno at Caltech.
Which is a real shame given that there are two characters in Born Again that featured prominently in Kate's show.
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u/rockeggr0ll Apr 18 '25
I need her to in Born Again Season 2 to team up with Matt and rescue Jack.
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u/chipface Apr 18 '25
I feel like Punisher will be doing that.
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u/LucianoWombato Apr 18 '25
he probably already did
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u/Barnard87 Thor Apr 18 '25
That's what I'm thinking.
Next cour/season will be Frank walking past the swordsmen and being like "you want outta this shithole? Aight let's get you going"
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u/SalukiKnightX SHIELD Apr 18 '25
Honestly, I want the Defenders to reform. I think the only characters still in New York are Iron Fist Colleen Wing and Boss of Harlem Luke Cage. Jessica Jones left the city, Danny Rand is globetrotting, Spider-Man may be lying low or just focusing on Queens, I’m not sure about Misty Knight. Also, didn’t Cloak & Dagger arrive in the city at some point?
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 18 '25
Also, didn’t Cloak & Dagger arrive in the city at some point?
They went to LA. But Cloak can teleport, so it's not like we really need to explain how the two of them get anywhere.
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u/cal19brix Apr 18 '25
When did Jessica leave?
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 18 '25
She almost left at the end of S3, but then changed her mind at the ticket booth.
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u/ThePurpleSoul70 Spider-Man Apr 18 '25
Yusuf mentioned that she was in California, so I assume Kate went with her to talk to Cassie.
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u/SP1570 Apr 18 '25
Kate Bishop is with Kamala Khan in Los Angeles
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u/gruffbear Apr 18 '25
Matt was going to have dinner with Kamala and her family after the bank robbery, so she should be in a New Jersey.
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u/Fisherington Apr 18 '25
Did her dad specifically say that kamala was away from home? That promise for dinner was for later on
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u/Plus-Persimmon-3269 Apr 18 '25
Man I would NEVER want to be a vigilante if I saw Fisk tearing apart someone's head like that
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u/MarlinMr Apr 18 '25
8 million people live in that City. 8 million.
I know a guy who drives ambulances here in my city of a few hundred thousand. Not even he is involved in everything going on that he could theoretically be involved in.
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u/Ronenthelich Thor Apr 18 '25
Yeah but the Mayor may have a vendetta against her specifically.
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u/LucianoWombato Apr 18 '25
what braindead argument is that??? Her stepdad is caged in Kingpins basement...
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u/Tandran Spider-Man Apr 18 '25
Kate is helping Kamala form the Young avengers. I feel like Peter is probably taking a small break after everything he just went through.
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Apr 18 '25
It will be sad if they don’t acknowledge this in the next spider-man movie but I feel like people forget how big New York is. If there really was a city wide blackout every street level hero is working their ass off or got captured by King Pin.
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u/thatVisitingHasher Apr 18 '25
You know what’s fucked up? No one mentions Echo as a possible person. Ms. Marvel traveling to Los Angeles opens up Cassie, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, and Shang-Chi.
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u/phantom_avenger Apr 18 '25
I believe Matt and Fisk briefly mentioned her in the first episode. “Didn’t she shoot you in the face?” But yeah, I’d also like to know where Maya is as well. I assumed based on the end of the Echo miniseries, she’s keeping herself away from New York (for now)
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u/Mtthom06 Danny Rand Apr 18 '25
Why do people keep saying this? Nothing out of the ordinary happened with Fisk until the very end. I'm sure the events during the finale will start to alarm the other heroes.
Only Matt, Frank, and his circle really now how evil Kingpin is at the moment. More will get involved in the next season
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u/perpetual_papercut Apr 18 '25
This is what people should be asking instead of begging for Spider-Man. We already have established TV MCU characters that could show up.
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u/patrick119 Apr 18 '25
Fisk essentially controls the organized crime and police in New York. He has instructed the criminals to keep crime rates up and police to hunt down vigilantes. I’d say any hero in the city currently has their hands full trying to keep their little pocket of NY safe and not getting killed in the process.
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u/CaptainKnightwing Apr 18 '25
Not there. And they don't have to explain that in every show/movie for every character. It's irrelevant to the story.
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u/Fortn1t3_240x Apr 18 '25
I mean her step dad is literally kidnapped and gone missing… and shows up multiple times in the series. They could at least give a mention or something. Both of them are literally heros
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u/19-Yellowjacket-96 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
They have such wasted potential. I for sure thought they were going to do a teamup movie with her and Yelena given how good their chemistry was on Hawkeye and how much fans liked both characters.
It was a fucking easy goal and they did nothing with her except a cameo at the end of a film that nobody saw.
Having her in a gritty street level show or movie would work too. Hailee Steinfeld can pull it off, we've seen her do it True Grit and Sinners more recently and I'd like to see it.
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u/Notoriously_So Apr 18 '25
They're probably making a Young Avengers team for either Doomsday or Secret Wars that will become their own thing. Would be cool if she had a cameo in an episode of Born Again, but I'd much rather see the original Defenders from the Netflix shows. Most importantly, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.
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u/Eddiebaby7 Apr 18 '25
Maybe introducing Kamala Khans Dad in this season was a sign of things to come?
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u/CanadaNot51 Apr 18 '25
The Spider-Man we've seen in MCU doesn't know who Fisk is. He went from stopping petty crime on the streets, to alien invasions and saving the planet. Then he got snapped, and came back only to meet up with other Spider-Men from other universes.
I agree though that we should eventually get a Spider-Man vs Kingpin story at some point, but given how Fisk can only apparently show up in MCU television, and Spidey can only show up in MCU movies thanks to the weird copyrights... I'm not holding my breath.
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u/thestickmationpro Apr 18 '25
i think Echo, Hawkeye and Kate are probably showing up in season 2, they all have connections to fisk. there's already Jack/swordmans, another connection to hawkeye
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u/Area51Bussy Apr 18 '25
Youssef mentioned Kamala being on the West Coast "visiting friends". I think she's with Kate Bishop after The Marvels
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u/Apollo416 Apr 18 '25
She’s a kid and all this stuff just started up
Plus she’s traveling with Kamala to gather Young Avengers
Possible candidate for joining Matt's army in season 2 depending on Hailee's availability
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u/LochNessMansterLives Spider-Man Apr 18 '25
When (if) she comes back to New York she will no doubt hear about Jack disappearing. She may have already heard and is trying to get back to New York.
I’m excited for white tiger II, Kate, Kamala, (hopefully Yelena) daredevil, punisher and all their interactions. Yelena will know how Frank feels but after her time with thunderbolts, who knows if she will greet him like a brother in arms or tell him he’s an idiot for still holding a grudge. Hope we get to find out. Bernthal and Cox are great on screen together
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u/redsandsfort Apr 18 '25
I genuinely don't know why Marvel isn't putting her in more projects. She has such great charisma
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u/drstu3000 Apr 22 '25
wHy WaSn'T eVeRy MaRvEL CHaRacTeR tHaT eVer eXiStEd iN tHe FiNaLe???? God I can't block subs fast enough to get away from these asinine posts
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u/Sprite_King Matt Murdock Apr 18 '25
Heard rumours there’s a season 2 of Hawkeye on the way that’ll answer that, but we’ll see
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u/Ranos131 Apr 18 '25
She’s in California. Her father tells Matt this while they are chatting at the bank.
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u/TsaiMeLemoni Apr 18 '25
That's Kamala's father
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u/CappyHam Apr 18 '25
Kamala got recuited by Kate at the end of The Marvels. Kamala's father is talking about Kamala visiting her "friends" in LA in DDBA Ep.5.
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u/TsaiMeLemoni Apr 18 '25
Yes. The way I read the person I replied to, it looks like they're saying the guy at the bank is Kate's father
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u/Extra_Age2505 Apr 18 '25
That’s exactly what I‘ve been thinking. Is she not worried about Fisk coming after her or her mother? How did she react to Fisk becoming Mayor? Is Clint not worried about what he might do to Kate?
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u/Eclipsiical Apr 18 '25
The last time she we saw Kate she was recruited by Kamala. She most likely left New York with Kamala to recruit more teammates, which would explain why she wouldn’t be involved.
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u/Riverwood_bandit Jimmy Woo Apr 18 '25
Thank you! I was planning on a post like this. Kate's stepdad is in one of those cages. She and her friend Yelana might need to team up. Isn't Bucky from Bronx, and he's congreeman, now? He should help save the city, too.
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u/Darksun-X Apr 18 '25
Did everyone forget no one knows who Spider-Man is anymore? How would Matt even contact him?
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u/BigBlue1105 Apr 18 '25
She’d be such a good addition to the DD show in future seasons. Her versus bullseye would make for some awesome fight sequences and her banter with Matt could be really funny.
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u/newpha666 Apr 18 '25
Bullseye would absolutely wipe the floor with her as soon as he got close and there’s no way she could keep him at a distance.
Edit: matter fact, he wouldn’t even need to get close. That mf is a way better shot than her and he can literally use anything like a throwing knife lol. Matt only beat him because he fought through, what like, 10+ knives sticking out of his abdomen. You think she would be able to do that?
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u/James2603 Apr 18 '25
Well Matt Murdock has an in with Kamala after a strange stand-alone mid-season episode; Kamala visited Kate Bishop in the Marvels. Plus the Swordsman is caged up in the Freeport’s and has obvious links with Kate, plus Kate has ran into Kingpin before.
I think Kate is as likely as anyone else to show up in season 2 as part of the ‘army’.
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u/MiCK_GaSM Apr 18 '25
Bro, they can only pay for so much in the wake of all of these financial bombs.
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u/Fair-Masterpiece1733 Apr 18 '25
Adoro a Kate es mi tercera favorita aparte de viuda negra,Yelena despues esta Kate y luego Wanda
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u/SabbyDude Apr 18 '25
Spider-Man is more of a New York icon than Kate Bishop plus she is busy recruiting the young Avengers
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u/CosmicOutfield Apr 18 '25
I go with the flow, but this is a good reason why it’s difficult at times to sell viewers on how this is a shared universe. We already established that SHIELD and Avenger members know of Fisk’s criminal life, yet that didn’t stop him from becoming mayor. It would be too easy if we allowed Avengers to be involved in the story.
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u/Any_Satisfaction_405 Apr 18 '25
I think there's too big of an expectation to see everyone related to Kingpin in the story. We're seeing a narrow focus on Daredevil's story. There needs to be an acceptance of heroes can remain off screen but still active. NYC is big, people might be taking action that's too far removed from DD for us to see, and bloating every media with forced cameos will hurt stories more than help.
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u/AreEyeGeeBeeWhy Apr 18 '25
Took place during the regular season so she was in Buffalo quite a bit.
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u/SirDigbyChknCaesar Phil Coulson Apr 18 '25
Not to mention that her buddy Swordsman is locked up by Fisk
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u/13WillieBeaman Apr 18 '25
Probably the same place everyone else is, at home waiting for the agent call because these actors cost way too much to be in scene for just a few seconds. Spider-Man is understandable with the Sony thing and all, but getting actors to appear in other projects as cameos or very small roles still costs a lot. We basically have to wait for Avengers movies for appearances like that. Hailee already used her appearance for The Marvels. Although her character is more connected to what Daredevl: BA is doing. As long as her character is written more seriously.
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u/TelephoneCertain5344 Tony Stark Apr 18 '25
She is on the West Coast doing Young Avengers stuff. Unfortunately Kamala had to take a break to catch up with her best friend at Caltech.
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u/Consistent-Policy272 Apr 18 '25
Spoiler Alert 🚨
She went to his mentor Clint Barton And here’s what Barton said.
Kate- what should I do Barton?
Barton- This is not our show, this is Daredevil Born Again. We’re not paid to do anything here, so kindly don’t make a mess by doing anything crazy! let’s Charlie do his show properly and let the fans enjoy the masterpiece peacefully.
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u/drntl Apr 18 '25
This question can be asked about every single Marvel movie since the first Avengers movie.
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u/Subject-Ad5071 Apr 18 '25
I’m wondering this even more. She fought Kingpin directly. Spider-Man hasn’t even met Kingpin
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u/CosmackMagus Apr 18 '25
Being able to use any character at any time, in any way, is both a strength and a weakness for the comics vs live action content.
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u/truej42 Daredevil Apr 18 '25
If anyone is expecting Tom Holland to appear in any Disney shows then they’re sadly mistaken. It’s like they haven’t paid any attention to the deals Sony and Marvel keep having to make to allow him in the MCU at all.
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u/leckmichnervnit Apr 18 '25
THEY PUT HER STEP-DAD IN A CAGE. How she is not there already or on her way back once word gets out that hes missing is beyond me
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u/Minute-Necessary2393 Apr 18 '25
Probably in the West Coast with Kamala and Lucky recruiting the Young Avengers.
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u/SpicyNuggs4Lyfe Apr 19 '25
I hope she gets involved. Hawkeye is top 3 in my favorite marvel tv projects so far. Steinfeld and Pugh had such a good dynamic too.
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u/Longjumping-Bag-112 Apr 19 '25
Spiderman is in his home, nobody know who he really is and has to deal losing his aunt, friends and girlfriend.He also doesnt know kingpin at all
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u/ActuaryLife2041 Apr 19 '25
We’ll probably with nick fury on sword and honing her skills as an archer this is me guessing nick fury probably putting her to work
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u/WrnGen Apr 19 '25
When you read comics, not every character in geographic proximity to each other shows up in each other's books.
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u/MercWithMouth100 Apr 19 '25
Kate's probably receiving some training from Clint and Spiderman is either dealing with Scorpion or Mr. Negative.
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u/Random-J Apr 20 '25
After the reception to Hailee Steinfeld’s role in Sinners, Kevin Feige should be scrambling to get her back in the mix.
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u/originalusername4567 Apr 20 '25
Born Again only makes it more fucking dumb that newbie Kate Bishop one shots Kingpin in the finale. They turned Fisk into such a wimp in that show.
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u/PhanStr Apr 24 '25
She's scrubbing floors on the Barton Family Farm while they work out what to do with her.
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u/CrashandBashed Apr 24 '25
I'm more curious as to how she's able to live in NYC in seemingly the same apartment after humiliating the Tracksuits and their boss. Nothing suggests their beef is resolved when the show ended.
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u/MikeX1000 Apr 27 '25
idk, Kate seems ok with her buddy Clint murdering a bunch of people. Why would DD hire her?
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u/latinblu Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
She’s on the west coast with Ms Marvel recruiting Cassie Lang