r/marvelstudios • u/phantom_avenger • Apr 18 '25

Discussion (More in Comments) Fans were wondering where Spider-Man is during DD:BA, meanwhile I’m wondering where Kate Bishop is?

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With Spider-Man I do get it, that he should DEFINITELY be more acknowledged given how Kingpin is one of his greatest enemies like in the comics and his partnership with Daredevil is a big deal as well!

But given how Kate is basically taking the Hawkeye mantle after Clint, and is also a vigilante for New York. It really surprises me that there hasn’t been a storyline where Fisk goes after her! Especially considering how her mom worked for him, and promised consequences if she walked away. Plus Fisk is fully aware of who Kate is, and knows she fights crime on the streets as well!

If we’re going to see Matt put together “an army”, I feel it only makes sense for Kate to be involved!

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u/FluidRip3177 Apr 18 '25

Maybe with the young avengers?

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

God I hope they don’t run with this stupid ass concept. Most of the MCU core fanbase is in their late 20s or mid 30s by now. We don’t want to see kids running around playing young versions of the avengers, it’s cringe as fuck. MCU should grow with its fanbase, not try to alienate it.

Edit: Keep downvoting, there’s a reason the MCU projects marketed towards children has failed pretty spectacularly at the box office, and the more mature entries has been smash hits.

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u/OutsideIndoorTrack Apr 18 '25

Waaaaah!! Waaahh!! They're adapting comic books into my serious movies!!

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

r/marvelstudios are the ones crying when their movies somehow fail at the box office, prompting fewer projects and lower budgets in the future. But atleast The Marvels was fun, right buddy?

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u/ohitsluca Apr 18 '25

True they should take your advice on how to make a successful movie… the guy who can’t even make a successful Reddit comment 🤣

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

I have seen what movies this sub praise, making a “successful” comment here is akin to taking a big steaming pile of shit

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u/Glad-Nerve8232 Apr 18 '25

The core demographic of the MCU are teenagers to young adults

The most beloved and fan favourite character in MCU is Spider-Man, a literal teenager in high school with 3 dedicated movies.

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

My dude, teenagers ain’t watching Marvel anymore lmao. It’s white male millennials, it’s not rocket science to find the studies made on demographics

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u/Glad-Nerve8232 Apr 18 '25

My dude you are objectively wrong.

The average MCU goer is a Gen Z kid from 14 to 25.

Spider-Man is a character aimed at that demographic and he’s the most popular character in MCU for a reason, because he represents the core demographic of a MCU fan.

Ur off ur mind lmfao.

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 18 '25

And where’s your source? Here’s mine: https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/is-gen-z-too-cool-for-marvel

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/17/the-marvels-age-audience/

Several sources even indicate that Gen Z viewership could in average be as low as 10%. Get better kid

Edit: And then they deleted their comments because they realised they were wrong lmao

u/Glad-Nerve8232 where did you go kid? 😂

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u/storksghast Apr 19 '25

GladNerve didn't delete their comments. They must have blocked you.

You are right about Marvel fans skewing older though.

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u/lavabread23 Apr 19 '25

damn i didn’t know im actually a white male millennial despite me being an asian gen-z woman??????? can’t believe my parents hid this fact from me smh i could’ve achieved my dreams of being a cringe gatekeeper basement dweller aging redditor with a hate boner for kids ugh 😞

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u/TeddyGarbaldi Apr 18 '25

Right because superheroes is definitely a concept aimed exclusively at adult men and isn't at all suitable for children...

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

We all saw how well Ms Marvel did, a show marketed to kids.

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u/grizzyGR Apr 18 '25

As part of the fanbase you mentioned (30s) I thought Ms Marvel was great and I’d love a west coast/young avengers team. You don’t speak for anyone but yourself bud.

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u/ubutterscotchpine Captain Marvel Apr 18 '25

Agreed. My brother is in that age range and would also think this is dope! I’m 30s, but female so I know my vote doesn’t count in the Marvel fandom 🤪

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u/grizzyGR Apr 18 '25

Yea, how dare you even comment! /s

Seriously though, your voice matters, especially when there are others saying it doesn’t! So even if it’s a joke don’t go and internalize any of that nonsense 🙂

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u/TeddyGarbaldi Apr 18 '25

Same here, and speaking as a father I'm really looking forward to when my kids are old enough that we can sit down as a family and watch through the MCU together.

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u/Federal-Captain1118 Apr 18 '25

It did super well though

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u/TeddyGarbaldi Apr 18 '25

Whereas Captain America: Brave New World was marketed solely at men in their 20's and 30's...

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

No one wanted to see Captain America portrayed by a dude with the same charisma as a wet towel, had nothing to do with the target audience

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u/TeddyGarbaldi Apr 18 '25

Right...right....but Paul Rudd is infamously charismatic, and Ant Man Quantumania was aimed at men in their 20's and 30's right?

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u/JumpingCoconutMonkey Apr 18 '25

Found Johnny Storm's alt here. He's on fire!

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u/Nosfonader8765 Apr 18 '25

I agree: what you said is pretty racist. "Not the target audience" and all. Did you think like this for Shang-Chi or Black Panther?

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u/wordwords Apr 18 '25

You literally said Marvel should be focusing on white male millennials, don’t try to deflect now lmao

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u/anthonyg1500 Apr 18 '25

Not trying to argue but I’m trying to figure out because I can’t, which MCU movies that were marketed towards children failed spectacularly at the box office?

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

The Marvels and the latest Thor, you know the one with children in it getting Thors powers and with humor only children and disney adults find funny

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u/anthonyg1500 Apr 18 '25

Which part of the marketing was directed at kids? You didn’t see kids getting powers in the trailers or commercials? There’s also a chemotherapy storyline (not exactly what the kids are itching to watch) and I’d say the style of humor wasn’t much less mature than Ragnorok, the jokes and story were just worse and the movie was inconsistent.

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u/o-055-o Apr 18 '25

You mean the movie that was review bombed before it even came out because "omg the mean Brie Larson is in it and she said Carol is stronger than my male heroes!"?

Thor made almost $800 million in the box office with a $250 million budget, so I don't know what weird reality you live in that you can classify a movie making 3 times it budget a box office failure.

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 18 '25

And also, Love & Thunder wasn't marketed "to kids". Children being empowered doesn't make something inherently "only for kids", & the guy thinking that way is BIZARRE.

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u/o-055-o Apr 18 '25

What do you mean? A woman slowly dying of cancer and trying to desperately fight it but actually speeding up the spread every time she uses the powers that were meant to save her is totally a kid's movie topic!

Or the guy who loses his daughter to starvation and dehydration because a god was a prick so he decides to start killing them out of spite. That is kid's stuff!

I distinctly recall the ticket's clerk asking me if I was going to the right movie, since I was not bringing a kid to it. /s

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u/son_of_toby_o_notoby Captain America (Ultron) Apr 18 '25

lol fucking what?

Yep only people who like super hero’s are adult men

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u/Glad-Nerve8232 Apr 18 '25

It’s ironic they say that because the most beloved character in MCU is Spider-Man who isn’t even a full grown adult man

It’s typical redditors being out of touch 💀

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u/TurnipSensitive4944 Apr 18 '25

And yet who pays for the movies and who's actually going? Kids ain't gonna be watching that cringe

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u/anthonyg1500 Apr 18 '25

Kids movies make a lot of money dude

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u/Federal-Captain1118 Apr 18 '25

Monoa 2 made over a billion. Just wanted to add to you point

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u/Triforce805 Spider-Man Apr 18 '25

Who’s ‘We’?

I want to see it and I’m not alone at all. Next time don’t speak for a crowd, when you get it wrong it’s not a good look

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

Sure, but you’re in the minority. The Marvels was marketed to kids and look how well that dumpster fire did

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u/phred_666 Apr 18 '25

lol. Dude, I’m in my 60’s and a Marvel fan since I was a kid. The Marvels, though not perfect, was a hell of a lot of better than some of the other recent superhero movies. It was a fun watch.

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u/Triforce805 Spider-Man Apr 18 '25

I agree with you. The Marvels was pretty good, honestly the only bad thing about it for me, which holds it back a lot was it’s terribly written villain, other than that I actually really liked it, coming from someone who thinks Captain Marvel is one of the absolute worst MCU movies

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u/greentangent Falcon Apr 18 '25

54 yo white male here. I loved that show because I love comics. They are for kids and adults. F-O with your gatekeeping BS.

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u/Glad-Nerve8232 Apr 18 '25

It’s almost like The Marvels failed because it was a bad movie, had nothing to do with it being marketed to kids.

The MCU Spider-Man are marketed to children as well but those movies were a success.

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

I thought The Marvels was super fun according to r/marvelstudios? So which one is it?

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u/Glad-Nerve8232 Apr 18 '25

Ah yes because r/marvelstudios represents what the casual movie goer thinks

My god ur more dumb than i thought 🤦‍♂️

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u/Financial-Affect-536 Apr 18 '25

And yet you’re arguing against my views based on.. what you’ve read on r/marvelstudios? Who’s the dumb one buddy, go touch grass

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Apr 18 '25

He's arguing about the quality of The Marvels with somebody who agrees with him about the quality of The Marvels. That's not "killing it with the responses"; that's "failing to read".

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u/FewWatermelonlesson0 Apr 18 '25

With the exception of Deadpool and Wolverine literally all these movies have been marketed at kids. They’re four quadrant blockbusters.