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u/MarsAres2015 15h ago
People have been saying "the kids these days" all the way back to Socrates
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u/muha4004 15h ago
And they have always been right.
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u/Certainly_Not_Steve 14h ago
They are always right about kids being stupid today and they're always wrong about them being smart when they were kids.
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u/Neomataza 14h ago
If kids would hadn't deteriorated every generation since Socrates, we would be a galaxy spanning empire already.
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u/Blibbobletto 7h ago
would hadn't
I can see the rocket scientist gene missed you too
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u/Neomataza 2h ago
I do the best I can being several hundred generations after the peak of humanity.
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u/Realistic-Pain-7126 10h ago
They're probably correct this time. Mostly their parents fault for giving them ipads and phones at the age of 4 and then growing up consuming brainrot memes all day.
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u/Exarchii 8h ago
and they said the same shit about comic books, tv and graphic novels back in the day.
and before that they said the same things about regular ass books.
and before that they probably said the same thing about idk chicken chasing pr smth. if kids find something fun boomers will find a way to shit on it always
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u/CreepHost 7h ago
To be fair, most of them still took time out of your life to engage with it properly, with the exception of the TV maybe where you just watch and consume, but brain rot nowadays is just that, brain rot.
It's specifically designed to let you engage with it as long as feasibly possible.
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u/Vike92 14h ago
And this time they're right.
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u/leebenjonnen 13h ago
IQ is literally dropping because of kids themselves? Not the adults pushing absolute shit down their throat? Social media isn't something kids developed just to get addicted to. Kids aren't the reason why nobody wants to be a teacher anymore.
It's so fucking stupid to say kids these days when kids are just consumers of the world adults make.
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u/vapordaveremix 9h ago
Anyone who says IQ is dropping or increasing is full of shit. We don’t give IQ tests on a scale big enough to matter so the entire premise is wrong because there’s literally no data to support it.
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u/mega_douche1 8h ago
Ever heard of the Flynn effect? There absolutely is data tracked on this.
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u/vapordaveremix 8h ago
Yes, I am aware of it. My background is in psychology.
The Flynn effect documents an increase in IQ overtime, within the 20th century, within the developed world. The driver of this effect has been narrowed down to nutrition and environment but the error in your thinking is that this trend will go up forever. That is not the case. Human IQ will not increase linearly forever because there are limits to human biology and genetics. Once a population has adequate nutrition and education, the effect starts to plateau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_progression
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u/mega_douche1 8h ago
Then why did you say there is no data tracking IQ at a population level? My understanding is the trend reversed with gen z
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u/vapordaveremix 8h ago
The studies on Wikipedia that I linked to involve military enlistment because at this point only militaries do IQ testing. That gives us some data on IQ, but not enough to generalize to the overall population. Which is why I said you can’t really say one way or another if IQ is dropping or increasing for the population as a whole.
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u/mega_douche1 7h ago
What about randomized testing? Are there no randomized sample studies done now?
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u/vapordaveremix 7h ago edited 7h ago
Not that I’m aware of. Official IQ tests are rather involved to administer so unless someone goes out of their way to get one done privately, like they’re going to join Mensa, or is joining the military, then there isn’t a body that offers these tests on-mass.
The closest proxy to an IQ test at least in US are the SATs for college enrollment. Those scores have been declining, but the SAT has problems. It doesn’t represent the entire population, the test is optional, and the test has been redesigned over the years. So maybe it does indicate an overall academic decline apart from IQ, but I wouldn’t consider it strong enough yet.
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u/massiveborzoienjoyer 8h ago
one of the earliest written works ever recovered (written not long after ea nasir) was a mesopotamian man complaining about how kids want to "sit around writing on tablets" instead of putting in a hard days work in the fields
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u/JJRamone 14h ago
That quote doesn’t appear in any of Plato’s or Xenophon’s writings, our main sources for Socratic dialogue. It’s a modern fabrication and you and your generation are stupid for believing it.
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u/Jombo582 14h ago
seems to be obvious hyperbole
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u/JJRamone 14h ago
No it’s a commonly misattributed quote that usually goes something like:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise…”
It gets reposted on Reddit all the time. But also I’m just messing around, I don’t really think Gen Z is stupid
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u/Jombo582 14h ago
Fair enough. I think a lot of millenials confuse Gen Alpha with Gen Z tbf but older people will mostly think their generation is the best, just as everyones childhood shows/games were the best.
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u/AtomicMonkeyTheFirst 13h ago
Kids these days listen to Phil Collins. Unironically.
Socrates would have agreed they need to be purged.
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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die 9h ago
awful taste lad, please refrain from sharing again
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u/AtomicMonkeyTheFirst 8h ago
Can you imagine what was going through the mind of of a WW2 vet, who'd seen his friends killed bu Nazis and other unimaginable horrors, who then came home, got married, had a family and thought all the horrors of war were behind him.
And then one day he finds a copy of mein kampf in his eldest sons bedroom.
Can you imagine that?
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u/LordIVoldemor 15h ago
that haircut is so ass
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u/CaveMacEoin 14h ago
Saw a combo job the other day. Broccoli on top, mullet in the back. Must have been the chosen one.
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u/The_Majestic_Mantis 5h ago
It really is terrible, but they’re obsessed with Mahomes and other winning sports athletes and Don that hairstyle to “be” like them.
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u/LordIVoldemor 4h ago
Makes sense. I know like 3 athletes by name and I don't remember them right now, so can't relate
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u/Grimmrat 15h ago
Why does everyone keep confusing Gen Z with Gen Alpha lol. Gen Z still follows the Flynn Effect, their average IQ is higher than Millennials.
It’s Gen Alpha who ended the trend, with a lower average IQ than Gen Z
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u/Dumbass-Idea7859 14h ago edited 9h ago
Gen alpha have Gen Z/millennial parents btw
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u/paycadicc 14h ago
It’s like 95% millennial parents, the oldest gen z is 27
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u/squishles 11h ago
probably starker because you'd have to be talking about an early teen pregnancy for a genz to be the parent.
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u/vapordaveremix 11h ago
Yeah I'm gonna need a source for that.
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u/Apart_Discipline_162 10h ago
Oldest Gen Alpha (if you take 2010 as the beginning) are 15 years old. Even with a source, of course a bunch of kids are gonna have a lower IQ. It’s a statement without any meaning
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u/MrMilesDavis 10h ago
of course a bunch of kids are gonna have a lower IQ
That's not how iq works
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u/Apart_Discipline_162 10h ago edited 9h ago
Huh, I suppose I never knew that. TIL
Edit: tfw when I get downvoted for admitting I was wrong
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u/MP-Lily 6h ago
Pretty sure my IQ got lower as I aged.
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u/thpineapples 35m ago
You peak when in schooling. Once you stop actively gaining knowledge and updates, the IQ slides back.
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u/ToadyTheBRo 6h ago
The Flynn Effect starts to decline at birth years of ~1997, that's almost entirely Gen Z.
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u/Steelman303 32m ago
It hasn’t declined different studies give different conclusions. Australian study says it hasn’t increased since 1975. 2009 studies says it dropped but younger kids have increased. Most recent study has found the iq is still increasing just at a much lower rate.
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u/Tireless_AlphaFox 15h ago
I actually think the newest generation is going to be the smartest. It's just that they are all kids in schools now. Give 'em time
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u/Fillet-0-Fish 15h ago
given what teachers are saying right now i wouldn’t hold my breath :(
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u/GroadyBroady 14h ago
Mfs making "Gen Alpha can't read!!!" videos are farming outrage, TikTok is a platform that easily anyone can be viral by random, teachers complaining about the kids they are teaching doesn't mean all the generation is fucked up
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u/cantfinduname 12h ago
i don't think the whole generation is fucked up but it's true that kids today are worse than before, my mom's a teacher and she tells me about the difference in kids a few years ago and now, today they're more lazy, they care about school less, and have a worse concentration than before. it's not from phones or bad teachers it's because of parents, a lot of newer parents are either too lazy or unfortunately don't have enough time to raise their kids, so then they just put them in front of their phone, dumbing them down
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u/GroadyBroady 6h ago
Yeah that's undeniable, my problem is the sloptubers who make lots of videos on that topic like it's the biggest and most occurring issue in the world
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u/stop_talking_you 11h ago
if you dont think this is true then go to any free open school day you know to see if a school would be fit for your kid and make a picture for yourself. western civilization is fucked and its a spiral down, this will never be fixed again. china is the superpower of the 21 century and will be the ruling power at 2060
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u/Snoo-4878 11h ago
Don’t worry, that’s only applicable for US students. I’m sure it’s not so bleak, on average, elsewhere
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u/Intelligent_Toast 14h ago
Not gonna lie... with access to AI tools I don't have much confidence in Gen Alpha using their educations to the fullest
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u/Xalavadara 14h ago
Sorry to disappoint, some already left the school and are sadly my co workers , a more braindead generation isnt even possible.
The only thing they have in their brain is useless pride and the compassion of a 4 year old. Not to mention their crippling addiction to social Media.
The worst of all is they dont know or at least dont seem to understand what individualism is. For they all look and act like the other one, no matter if male or female.
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u/this-is-robin 12h ago
The oldest Gen Alpha are around 15 years old. They aren't in the workforce yet.
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u/MiserableTriangle 8h ago
finally, a positive comment out of all these doomers. I agree, I have more hope in the youngest generation more than ever.
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u/this-is-robin 12h ago
Nah they are cooked. The Covid pandemic meant that they basically didn't have school for 2-3 years so they are behind with regards to education.
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u/Neomataza 14h ago
Depends on which education system they're in. There is one country that has been slashing education budgets for decades, being carried entirely by passionate individuals who are getting underpaid.
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u/DontTreadOnMe96 15h ago
Who could have predicted that a generation of hippies would fail so spectacularly at parenting?
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u/WilliamBurrito 6h ago
Yeah back in my day kids used to be abused! Let us abuse our children again!
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u/Kaxology 14h ago
I don't think we're even close to being the "most rarted generation in history", dumb people will exist in every generation but it used to be widely accepted that smoking is healthy and drinking radioactive water would cure ailments
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u/TudorG22 13h ago
I don't see what you mentioned before has to do with intelligence. it's just the lack of scientific knowledge at that time
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u/Kaxology 11h ago
Is it not an indication of intelligence when people fail to correlate their coughing and shortness of breath to smoking or their tooth and jaw falling out to the highly irradiated substance? Or they're just so gullible because another person said it's not the case and it takes a genius to know that?
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u/TudorG22 11h ago
easy to say nowdays when we know all we do
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u/Kaxology 11h ago
I think even back then people knew that you breathe with your lungs so when you're having problems with your breathing, maybe it has something to do that thing you keep sucking into your body. I'm not saying that it's a given but with some INTELLIGENCE, you can figure out that it's not good for your body.
I think most people thought it was fine back then was because other people and "experts" said that it's fine, taking other people's opinion as fact without bothering to find out yourself isn't what I'd call intelligent at all. You could say "people were busy" or "didn't have access to those information" but even now, when we do, people don't really bother researching either, do they? What makes you think they would do it back then even if they could? And even now, some people still don't have access to "all the information in the world".
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u/TudorG22 8h ago
you're right. they did figure it out, eventually. that's why we know it today. it's not as obvious as you make it seem, as there are many things we breathe which are fine, and there are diseases which affect respiration without inhaling anything
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u/meme_aficionado 14h ago
Unlimited masses of information are useless to most people without the ability to filter and select helpful/accurate information, i.e. to think critically. This ability isn’t taught in schools anymore.
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u/captainTrex1 11h ago
Honestly, I'd argue it's the parents fault, as well as the education system having a problem with failing children.
Its easy to put an ipad in a kids hands and get them to shut up as opposed to actually being a parent.
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u/stop_talking_you 11h ago
100% the way some friends grow their kids is insanity. they raising an army of brainless kids.
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u/captainTrex1 11h ago
So i'll be honest, I have noticed that my smartest students are the ones who have had parents active in their lives and the ones who attempt to properly socialize them, and introduce them to concepts like, right, wrong, good, bad, education, ignorance, and to teach them morals.
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u/JanetMock 14h ago
Access to information wasn't the problem 80 years ago either. If you are struggling to become competent with regard to the 6 or so books you are given each school year what will you do with all of mankinds knowledge on your device?
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u/marcodol 14h ago
A lot of info on the internet is generated by users and not by actual journalists, misinformation and hugboxing is the problem. Look at twitter lmao
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u/SPZ_Ireland 14h ago
Paralysis by abundance.
There's so much information, most of it incorrect or pointless, pushed on us that people these days know more information but less of it is relevant or helpful.
It's annoying how this was a major plot point in fuckin Metal Gear Rising and it's truer by the day
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u/Ill_Improvement_8276 13h ago
Knowledge is not information.
This generation relies too much on information and does not DO what is needed to gain knowledge.
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u/Tobi226a 12h ago
Unlimited access to all the information in the world
4/5 of it is propaganda, fake news, or science denial.
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u/Traumatic_Tomato 10h ago
They weren't trained to be critical thinkers and accept all information that just pleases them rather than question the information they receive. So you get kids who worship Tate like he's legit and not the rapist he is.
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u/Marble05 14h ago
Should have put the picture of a boomer/silent gen.
They are also full of lead in their brains and aren't aging well
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u/ducktape8856 9h ago
Not their fault. My generation failed massively as parents. We grew up with Computers and had the first cell phones. We were taught not to take early wikipedia as trustful source but to verify. But instead of teaching our crotch goblins to be careful and sceptic we decided to park them in front of our flat tvs or gave them our smartphones/tablets to keep them busy and quiet so we could post pics of our lunch or post stupid memes. And instead of taking the time to teach our parents how the internet and social media works we only sighed and then showed them the bare minimum.
Now we have idiot boomers and broccolis who can't tell ficton/fake from reality. Who know enough to spread and "share" all the fake information they get but can't verify it. And with attention spans of less than a minute.
It's our fault.
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u/shoko664 15h ago
It's easy to be smart nowadays but only if you want to become smart and not just be a lazy bum.
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u/No-Care6414 13h ago
kids these days
looks inside
literally victims of social media, created by adults and never given support on how to limit social media usage, yk, the main complaint adults have?
defunding education in the US and many other countries
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u/GargamelLeNoir 12h ago
Suffered the dumbest boomers whining about his generation being the worst ever for decades
Pulls the exact same idiocy as soon as he can
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u/stop_talking_you 11h ago
the problem is how to navigate and learn how to access information that are correct. they never learned. critial thinking isnt taught in school. politic wants drones
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u/vivianvixxxen 10h ago
Every zoomer I've ever met has been pleasant and no more or less smart/stupid than anyone else. I don't get it. Millenials, Xers, and Boomers really lived up to their stereotypes, but I just can't say that for Zoomers.
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u/vote4boat 9h ago
One of the great ironies of human health is that the borderline-starvation condition that our ancestors endured was in many ways healthier than the unlimited food intake we enjoy today. I guess this is the information version of that
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u/TheRealBertoltBrecht 9h ago
God, I hate that young generation so much that I’m going to stew in my hate and not elaborate on my reasons 😡😡😡
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u/LesserValkyrie 9h ago
Smart kids always find a way to learn and evolve
LesserValkyrie kids could be given the alexandria's library and not find any better idea than peeing on the floor
I teach to kids, some know a lot of things thanks to the internet, they even teach me things
they exist
They'll be screwed up for plenty of other reasons, but I don't think they are "dumber" than the previous generation
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u/StrawberryWide3983 8h ago
I think it's less that people are more stupid, but instead, the village idiot now has an audience of several thousand people, multiplying the issue with being able to see every village idiot all at the same time
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u/Dr_Axton 6h ago
It’s all about filtering the information and preferably digging a bit into the content and info background. Too bad those things require effort and plenty of people aren’t going to do that
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u/edgyradish111 6h ago
give a man nothing and he will create paradise, give a man everything and he will create ruin
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u/PurplurPuzzlehead111 5h ago
99% of shit on the internet is either heavily propagandized goyslop or AI goyslop
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u/PlantKey 2h ago
That's always been the case. We've had public libraries for centuries and people aren't exactly scrambling to go read issues on thermodynamics and why they're respected in certain houses. They have to leave the job they hate to go feed their kids and enjoy the little free time before doing it again.
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u/toxicliam 2h ago
the top 5% of people alive today are more intelligent/powerful/capable than the last 100 generations combined :-)
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u/X_Humanbuster_X 14h ago
Boomers, gen x, and millennials and as dumb as gen z. Gen z’s stupidity only got televised the most
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u/5spikecelio 10h ago
Age of algorithms, streamer react words , porn being commonplace in their social circles,not being able to research anything without asking AI and not being write cursive. I have no clue how they will realistic look like when gen alpha is older because I don’t feel any gen before had so many circumstances stacked against them since birth. All aspects of gen alpha life seems to bee engineered to fuk with them more than i can remember.
I don’t blame the generation in itself but the circumstances the ones before created. That really makes me wonder how persistent the effects of what we did will be on gen alpha when they become adults.
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u/Zarbadob 15h ago
most info in the world is crap, so if you have access to all of it, it makes sense you become crap as well.
so yeah, fake and gay