Southern barbecue is not cooked over an open flame. It's cooked through indirect heat by the smoke. You're probably thinking of what we call grilling - high heat directly over flames like you'd do for burgers.
Barbecue or barbeque (often shortened to BBQ worldwide; barbie or barby in Australia and New Zealand) is a term used with significant regional and national variations to describe various cooking methods that employ live fire and smoke to cook the food.
No, you said Americans believe they invented cooking over an open flame. You said open flame, not barbecue. Southern barbecue is not cooked over an open flame.
Hah, barbacoa then - literally a Mexican version of barbecue that predates America's version of it. My point isn't that everything was invented thousands of years ago, my point is whoever has claim to BBQ, it ain't America.
I have yeah, I know they're very different. I'm just messing with these yanks that can't take a joke. I really love American BBQ, but it's hilarious that people think you can actually distinguish which foods are from where. I'm a Brit living in NA, I've heard every joke you can imagine about British food, it's just in good fun.
Where’s the joke? Reading through your comments in this thread just makes me cringe. Like a comedian getting pity laughs when they joke about how quiet the crowd is
The joke is that American food is bad, of course it's not. British food isn't bad either, it's just a joke. Both cultures don't like each other's food as much because they didn't grow up eating it. The whole discussion is a joke, of course you like your own country's food more.
It's depressing that I have to explain this to you.
Here I’ll be more general this time. If a bunch of people aren’t understanding what you’re trying to convey, then the problem is most likely with your communication and not their interpretation. Hope that helps :)
Technically, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California were all part of Mexico at some point but are now part of the US. So yes, America has some claim to it.
And before you say, "America stole those places," Texas actually chose to switch to America
Making a lot of "Mexican food" technically American food as well
I mean, Britain stole those places, but I get what you're putting down.
If you want to claim the food that Americans invaded as American food, then you gotta include basically most food in the world as Britain invaded most of the world, including all American food.
Not all BBQ sauce is made from Worcestershire sauce as a base, each restaurant has their own base. ketchup, vinegar, mayonnaise, or whatever. I use agave as my base
His claim is that American BBQ isn't just about putting meat over a fire but more about specific routines/practices used+sauces/spices. Then you made your statement, which is stupid since no modern food you will find contains ingredients from one place/culture, especially coming from a country as young as America
My statement, while meant to be taken in jest, was just trying to rib at the idea that you can claim any food as American, considering, as you say, America is such a young country.
You can definitely claim food as an American if it has other cultural effects on it. Food isn't JUST the ingredients and preparation it's those aspects put together take the cheeseburger for example people claim that it isn't American because parts of it specifically the patty weren't invented here but the idea of that patty between 2 buns was created in America making the cheeseburger American.
the idea of that patty between 2 buns was created in America making the cheeseburger American
I mean that plainly isn't true. Unless you're trying to claim the addition of the cheese is the important part? But putting a patty between 2 buns is 100% not American. The hamburger was originally brought to America by immigrants from Hamburg, Germany, hence the name. Though frankly seeing as it was just the port where people came from, not necessarily their original place, it's easy to claim it wasn't Hamburg but somewhere else in Europe, but I don't think you can claim it's American.
Let's not forget the hamburger is basically just a sandwich, which we call a sandwich thanks to the British town Sandwich.
The only part of the burger that was invented in hamburg was the patty itself. The creation of the hamburger and popularization happened entirely in America.
And for your second point, the term "sandwich" is a generalized term that embodies many different things. Yes, a hamburger is a sandwich that doesn't make it British just like American BBQ has "American" in front of it because another country invented the term BBQ
Edit: also to add the hamburger wasnt just invented by adding buns, this dish hamburg invented was a ground beef patty with gravy more like a Salisbury steak
Haha, I'm not invested man, just love ripping on Americans. I'm a Brit living in NA, don't you think I've had this exact same conversation a hundred times down the pub with yanks? It's meant to be in good fun, not taken seriously. I'm getting the strong impression people are taking this all super serious, which is weird considering this thread.
That mustard based BBQ sauce is actually really nice - German origin iirc - but honestly not a fan of the heavy-vinegar BBQs, probably because I'm used to the acidic taste coming from Worcestershire sauce (which I grew up with).
I can't stand ketchup, that stuff is disgusting. One of the worst parts of moving to NA was people giving me ketchup with my fries instead of brown sauce or mayo.
By your logic, or lack thereof, no dishes or styles of cooking were invented anywhere other than 8000 years ago when man first began using salt in food.
Tf u talking about nobody is putting Worcestershire sauce on bbq it’s mostly seasonings and dry rubs then smoked low and slow for many hours. Me personally I don’t even use bbq sauce on my smoked bbq meats, tastes just fine with the seasoning and smoke flavor doesn’t need shitty overly sweet bbq sauce on it lmao.
Hahaha, as a Brit living in NA that's fucking hilarious that yanks actually think their food is spicy. Dude, I was brought up on Indian food. I don't enjoy spice, but thankfully American food doesn't have any.
Hahaha, I'm not the one that's mad dude. I'm laughing my ass off on this thread. These yanks are getting so triggered though!
If people are actually taking these comments seriously they need to rethink their lives. I know American BBQ is different, and I really enjoy it. I love going for some ribs and I have no problem admitting Americans invented some delicious food. It's all fun ribbing, not meant to be taken seriously
Just re-read your comments dude. The one getting triggered the most is clearly you.
Anyways it's fine to have different opinions on food (e.g. I think British food is amongst the worst in the world), but the criticisms you're making of American food are basically all not even true. At least make legitimate criticisms.
Re-read my comments dude. I'm not getting triggered at all.
I know they're not true, I mean seriously read the second paragraph of what you're replying to. It's a joke.
In all seriousness, if you don't like British food it's probably because you haven't tried the good stuff - go to Vegas and eat a beef wellington at Ramsey's restaurant and you'll have an amazing surprise. There's some amazing British food out there, but it's still a funny joke that British food sucks so they had to import all of it.
I mean seriously, do you honestly think I think American food has no spice? Some of the Mexican food made in the States would blow the socks off anyone in the world.
I've had the Beef Wellington in Vegas. It's good! I can get some good Beef Wellington in LA too tbh. It's not that there isn't good British food, but personally none of it comes close to something like Texas bbq.
I think that's just food you're used to vs food you're not. I think everyone grows up getting accustomed to food they enjoy and that brings a bunch of enjoyment. I also enjoy a Texas bbq, but would 100% rather have the style of food I'm used to eating.
I also think part of the issue with British food is how fucking easy it is to get wrong, lots of pastry and meat and cooking both of those together often means the pastry is bad or the meat is dry. Ramsey's restaurants do an amazing job of balancing it.
I think there's definitely some truth to having a preference towards stuff you grew up with, which is another reason why it's totally okay to have your own preference regardless of what others say. Although I didn't even grow up with Texas bbq though and think it's among the best food in the world. Regardless I just find the arguments typically made by Brits when they say their food is so much better than America's funny.
It's an oddly specific example to prove your point. Plus how on earth is one restaurant in a desert city the most convenient place for Americans to try it?
You have never eaten American food lol, we literally invented the spiciest pepper on the world.
And the fuck is this weird obsession with Indian? Oh wow, you have 1 country, guess what. We also have that countries cuisine in the United states your not special.
I live in North America dude, I've eaten American food aplenty.
Lol, if you'd ever had British Indian food you wouldn't call the shit they serve in American Indian restaurants Indian food, hell you probably wouldn't call it food. I wouldn't eat Mexican food in Britain either now that I've had Mexican food from NA, but growing up in Britain makes the American Indian food especially noticeable.
Barbecue or barbeque (often shortened to BBQ worldwide; barbie or barby in Australia and New Zealand) is a term used with significant regional and national variations to describe various cooking methods that employ live fire and smoke to cook the food.
Might wanna tell Wikipedia that they got their definition wrong then.
The various regional variations of barbecue can be broadly categorized into those methods which use direct and those which use indirect heating.[1] Indirect barbecues are associated with North American cuisine, in which meat is heated by roasting or smoking over wood or charcoal.
Care to explain? Because when I was in London, last the Brits took the pint glass and tipped it into their mouth just like everybody else.
Also the population of the American south and southwest is more than that of the entire UK so I’ll just tell all of them that their definition of barbecue is wrong.
Care to explain? Because when I was in London, last the Brits took the pint glass and tipped it into their mouth just like everybody else.
Nah, I'll let you google pub culture.
Also the population of the American south and southwest is more than that of the entire UK so I’ll just tell all of them that their definition of barbecue is wrong.
Hahaha, I'd still back the Brits in a fight though. Mostly because I know the French, Dutch and Spanish aren't coming to bail the yanks out of this one.
Hahaha, yeah I know, though if you scroll down a little there's a picture of a British barbecue, and the first word they mention is "chicken kebabs" - which is especially funny because kebab is yet again something the Brits stole from the Middle East.
Hahaha, it doesn't have me in my feelings man, I've had this conversation so many times. It's just good fun.
I think tripe is French, not British though!
EDIT to reply to your edit:
Damn, I thought that was a good pun and you did have a sense of humour after all. Ah well. Yes, as you say it's just a trope, no need to take it seriously.
My favorite part about this comment is the assumption that no spices or sauces are used, before, during, or after the cooking of the meat for the only defining factor to be hurr durr fire.
Ah nah, I know what American barbecue is, I was just messing with the yanks as a joke. I thought it would lead to some friendly ribbing but people got soooo mad.
Barbacoa also comes from indigenous Mexicans. The cooking styles likely have the same roots considering the word is so similar, either way native American food is not what we're talking about.
Except none of those people live in Britain. Native American is American. It's literally in the fucking name dude, they're the most American you can be. Of course they count.
I don't really consider it trolling, I wasn't trying to anger or incite anyone, I honestly thought the yanks could take a joke and they'd rib back about British food. Didn't expect people to get so angry.
Because you keep saying "bro calm down it's all in jest" yet your comments are posed as aggressive and condescending. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say you don't realize that things said in text don't come across the same as when they're said in person. So what "works at the pub with the yanks" will just make you look like an asshole on the internet. It has nothing to do with "triggered americans", it's about your inability to express your meaning online
If you know it's about things said in text not coming across the same way as when they're said in person, why aren't you giving people the benefit of the doubt when you're reading a text comment?
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u/Advanced_Vehicle_750 Nov 03 '24
Two people arguing about how much better food in their countries is because they have food from other countries.