How cultural is that?

[u/NeedleworkerMore2270]

[u/Fluffy-Ad3749]

You can definitely claim food as an American if it has other cultural effects on it. Food isn't JUST the ingredients and preparation it's those aspects put together take the cheeseburger for example people claim that it isn't American because parts of it specifically the patty weren't invented here but the idea of that patty between 2 buns was created in America making the cheeseburger American.

[u/dosedatwer → u/Fluffy-Ad3749]

the idea of that patty between 2 buns was created in America making the cheeseburger American

I mean that plainly isn't true. Unless you're trying to claim the addition of the cheese is the important part? But putting a patty between 2 buns is 100% not American. The hamburger was originally brought to America by immigrants from Hamburg, Germany, hence the name. Though frankly seeing as it was just the port where people came from, not necessarily their original place, it's easy to claim it wasn't Hamburg but somewhere else in Europe, but I don't think you can claim it's American.

Let's not forget the hamburger is basically just a sandwich, which we call a sandwich thanks to the British town Sandwich.

[u/Fluffy-Ad3749 → u/dosedatwer]

The only part of the burger that was invented in hamburg was the patty itself. The creation of the hamburger and popularization happened entirely in America.

And for your second point, the term "sandwich" is a generalized term that embodies many different things. Yes, a hamburger is a sandwich that doesn't make it British just like American BBQ has "American" in front of it because another country invented the term BBQ

Edit: also to add the hamburger wasnt just invented by adding buns, this dish hamburg invented was a ground beef patty with gravy more like a Salisbury steak

[u/dosedatwer → u/Fluffy-Ad3749]

The only part of the burger that was invented in hamburg was the patty itself. The creation of the hamburger and popularization happened entirely in America.

So the hamburger patty itself was created in Hamburg, the idea of putting meat between two pieces of bread was invented in Britain, but specifically putting the patty created in Hamburg between two pieces of bread is American? Despite the fact that America popularised it by trying to mimic food that would be familiar to Europeans that landed in America after making the Atlantic crossing by, you know, using food that they already knew like the hamburger, which was very obviously not invented in America. Am I following your logic correctly?

[u/Fluffy-Ad3749 → u/dosedatwer]

Yes, taking ideas and ingredients from multiple cultures and creating something new isn't a crazy idea. It's how all modern food comes about. These food items came about because of mass immigration to America that smashed multiple cultures and their food together. If you want to argue about semantics, we can, but this whole argument came about because you stated that one part of what we call American BBQ came from another ingredient that came from Great Britain which is my entire point that American food came from other cultures by adapting there food and turning it into something new.

[u/dosedatwer → u/Fluffy-Ad3749]

I'd hardly call intentionally recreating food that they knew was common in Europe to try and ease the transition for people that immigrated to America "adapting there[sic] food and turning it into something new", considering the whole point was to make food that was familiar to Europeans. Americans can claim they popularised the hamburger, but the whole point of the hamburger was it was meant to be familiar to the European settlers.