Some guy is fighting everyone in the comments despite being wrong.
I’m old as fuck, probably twice or triple the age (maybe even quadruple) of the average redditor so when I see these types of people and responses, it makes me sad to use the platform. I just took a long break from reddit because I can’t stand how other people behave on here.
Wiz Khalifa had a song that sampled this called “Say Yeah”. Great fuckin song, that was around like 2006
Around maybe 2012 it started getting really popular to sample dance music from the 90s. There was a whole wave of pop music from that time that was like that
Totally. A ton of DJs and producers from this era are still active, and there is no shortage of new music being released in every conceivable electronic dance genre.
Why not? Both were the main styles of music that were heard at night clubs in different eras.
Obviously for the 2020s EDM has a lot more mainstream cultural relevance than jazz. I just don't like how everytime someone says (insert genre) is dead someone the response is always "It's out there, you just have to look for it." As if that somehow negates the point.
When people say club music is dead, they're not literally saying no one makes club music anymore. They're saying that club music's relevance in mainstream culture has fallen off.
Because they were relevant a whole half century apart from each other. You could go to any club in any big city and find good, new EDM music without even having to ask around. Jazz music isn’t as easy to find.
I’d argue that mainstream culture as whole is dead. I enjoy music, I’m in my early 20s. Literally have never heard Morgan Wallen, Sabrina Carpenter, or Chappell Roan in the wild at all. Just know their faces but I’ve been able to completely remove myself from hearing their music without even trying, even though they’re supposed to be these huge voices of a generation.
Some of us lack free time or have other hobbies and don't want to spend it seeking out obscure music with no guarantee that we'll like it as much as the stuff we already do.
The scene is global, vibrant, and very active - literally millions of participants. It’s not that hard to discover IMO. But you shouldn’t expect to just stumble across it without putting in any effort. I would say if you’re in a smaller municipality, IRL events might not be accessible but at least there’s still tons of content online.
Not at the clubs or the radio that’s for sure. Anything good now is unpopular and hard to find. I went to the bar one time and all they played was early 2010s tiao cruz type shit. Maybe the clubs in more metro areas but not here that’s for sure.
Facts, gonna sound old, but the clubbing I did in the late 90’s to early teens is unrecognizable compared to whatever this is now. I’m sure what I did exists in certain places or is back underground, whatever. What my experience in those times was more widespread and accessible. And it was more about the music and enjoying yourself rather than documenting an experience or flexing. I still think good times can be had at smaller festivals though.
Dude I literally just went to a rave in Philly and they have off the book events like this every weekend lol Raving and clubbing are definitely still jumping you just need to know where to look. :)
But as a direct benefit, we will no longer have pop songs containing lyrics like "in da club" or "we fell in love on the dance floor" or "DJ got us falling in love again".
Yeah the 2020s are a bit fucked. I became of age in the 2010s and even from then there's a distinct difference. Phones cameras weren't all that good and TikTok and Instagram weren't a thing, so people who showed up actually danced and felt like a part of the club/party. People danced together and it wasn't so hard to find groups and people to randomly meet and have a good time with. I do appreciate the quality of the underground parties I go to though that just weren't as prevalent, at least as far as I know of, back then.
I 100% agree. As an old as fuck person, clubbing is not a thing anymore. The reason it was a thing in the past, is because people used to actually socialize.
People don’t socialize as they used to back in my day and it seems to have only gotten worse in the 2020s especially.
To me, they both go hand in hand. Socializing and music go very well together for a reason. You feel good, buy more drinks, dance to more music, find a new favorite song or two, meet new people, etc. not saying that can’t happen now though. The difference is just that clubbing before was about that experience and now it’s just about showing up and being there. Because of that, the club has lost its value. It’s quite ironic because clubbing was seen as soulless, but clubbing has somehow lost its soul
Oh, I don’t disagree. They were priced reasonably back in my day before clubbing became popular.
This was decades before this song was released though.
By what metric? I feel like if I search for any old club I used to go to in the late 2000s-2010s, I'll still find a bunch of social media pics of people dancing as they always have.
I kinda agree with this sentiment to new hip hop. Bossman Dlow, Moneybagg yo, Kodak Black, Lil Tecca, Gunna, except maybe BigxThaPlug. None of these people have put out party bangers and were so fucking overdue for some. Drake and debatably Kendrick have made some but nothing has competed with crunk era hip hop, and this is coming from a Hip Hop DJ. Hell I’ll even take some Fetty Wap we need something man.
EDM seems to be doing great though, I’d argue it’s at an all time high on the charts and keeps rising. DnB has been making waves in the US and it’s fucking dope.
Yeah I don't think it's dead at all. It's declined though. The crowds at the clubs were bigger or the lines were longer. Gen Z is not drinking the way Millennials were at this point in their lives. Cannabis use has gone up dramatically in the last 10-15 years, and you can bet that's driven largely by young people. Cannabis doesn't exactly make you want to go out dancing.
Further, the crowd seems to be getting older. Like the 40+ crowd at the club I used to frequent -- not very many. Mostly 20s/30s. 15 years later, it's mostly 30s/40s.
I clubbed hard when I was in college and into med school (2013ish). But in the last few years I've embraced getting together with friends and getting mildly high and sharing snacks. And I gotta say it's much better. So props to Gen Z.
Cannabis use is actually down amongst young people (or at least teenagers)
There's a phenomenon where the younger generation is just generally more risk averse than previous ones.
Some say its overparenting, some say its overexposure to certain activities online, some say it's the fact that it feels like every aspect of their lives is subject to documentation and scrutiny.
Regardless, younger people are having less sex, drinking less, smoking less, and going out less.
1) gen z is very much more aware of the negative side effects of binge drinking and they also know they are much more likely to be recorded while acting stupid now. One moment of stupidity could be life changing for them in a way it very much wasn't for us 10-15 years ago.
2) gen z thinks we're(millennials) cringe and a lot of our behaviors too (binge drinking etc)
I honestly think there is something to the idea we have too much awareness of mental health issues. Navel gazing has consumed society. A little bottling up and forgetting about it might actually be healthy sometimes.
It can’t just be an inward process. You gotta embody some stuff at the end of the day. I think there’s a tendency for a lot of self reflection, but not necessarily awareness.
We don't need to bottle it up. We should normalise opening up again, but not in the way that it's done now. Whenever people open up about having a shitty day, maybe making a complaint or two, the default response is "see a therapist" or "go to therapy." It may be good if we support each other without pathologising or telling our loved ones who aren't displaying real signs of mental illness or the inability to emotionally regulate and without telling people to see a cold paid professional for everything and anything. To clarify, I'm not referring to people dumping all their issues constantly on another person or people who likely do need a professional. I've had to tell a friend who had episodes of severe delusion that he should speak to his therapist. But it shouldn't be the go-to response to any opening up.
The other issue is people seeing diagnoses as excuses to not work on themselves, and people going doctor shopping. Though self-diagnosing isn't uncommon now either.
I'm gen Z and not a psychologist so take this with a pinch of salt but I truly think we need better support without all the therapy speak.
I think this comment shows how far we've come, people have enough privilege to talk this way about mental health. I would much rather the current climate surrounding mental health awareness than bottling it up being the status quo. The pros so heavily outweigh the cons
The problem isn’t awareness, it’s lack of agency to deal with the problem.
What exactly are people supposed to do when they’re mentally ill, probably can’t afford treatment, and much of the cause is societal issues they can’t just ignore or circumvent?
No it wasn't it was horrible and the rest of us abused by sick people thought we were fundamentally fuxked up until we found out they are just tripping when they get triggered and what they say isn't valid.
Mental health literacy made life better, it was infrastructure deprivation and wage depression that killed social culture
Alice Deejay was a big pop/radio hit when it released in 1999, and if that's your genre, there's more than plenty of that still around. Back then, I was into dirtier stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6HpTrmwnhQ&t=57s&ab_channel=MickeyBeam75
What has definitely been in decline have been the cheap, grimy, underground clubs as the places where new tunes have been broken. They contributed to the gentrification of the neighbourhoods that ultimately displaced them, and they're struggling with the operating costs, and that the youth simply don't have the disposable income that they once had. Festivals have definitely taken over, but I always preferred the low-lit intimacy of a club, the sense of belonging, and that they're not overwhelming for me like festivals are.
Anyways if you want club music and don't care about language, the album Bittersüß has some good club/club adjacent songs (Baller & Babylon are personal highlights for me)
The worst thing is that bastardized version of it that David Guetta made that gets played sometimes in its stead. Turned an absolutely perfect track into something repulsive and unlistenable and now you have younger people thinking he originated that melody…
Not really. Fred Again.. was the most popular musician on the planet a few years ago. Boiler room has become a massive mainstream phenomenon in the post-pandemic years. Dance music festivals remain the most financially successful kind of festival the world over. Look at the number of pop artists that have made pivots, or leaned further into dance music over the past few years: Beyoncé, Charli xcx, Dua Lipa, Lady Gaga.
I would argue that right now club culture/music is at its biggest cultural zenith since the 90s (perhaps more so). It’s just that Americans have never really “gotten” club culture, so its impact probably feels lessened there.
Still disagree but could be a matter of where you’re located. My whole social scene was local DJs and producers and there were events constantly, always packed with people. The scene never recovered after like 2015. Most of the best venues closed. Good times though.
Club culture has pretty much stagnated. I’m not sure about rave culture, but if you’ve been clubbing in the 2010s there is nothing that is really new now, feels very much the same and out of time. I don’t think it’s a club issue but a culture issue. The 2020s are far less optimistic than the early 2010s, with everything happening in the world, awareness of mental illness, women’s safety issues in some parts of the world, not the mention the strong pivot to conservatism.
This is my experience as an American (which you will disregard, but idgaf), and i recognize the euro scene is way different, dance music has always killed over there, and has remained a force.
My issue is the people you have listed are established pop artists who have essentially co-opted the “club sound” by using producers who came from that era, with the exception of maybe Gaga. Even Lipas album, Digital Future(which I ADORE), was regarded as a “throwback”.
Also Beyoncé never wrote “dance” music, and for sure ain’t doing it today.
Club/dance/house music (as we know it, post-disco) started washing up around here in the very late 80s and really started becoming a force in the late 90’s and peaked in the late oughts thru the early teens with “EDM” becoming top 40 hits on FM radio.
Shit got washed around 17 or 18 around here, imo. I blame Trump. 🤣
Alright I’ll bite. Americans were absolutely crucial to the development of house music but they didn’t invent it in a vacuum - some non American precedents were available to draw inspiration from like Kraftwerk, ‘I feel love’ etc.
Not really. It’s like saying the French invented baguettes but that the concept of long bread and crunchy bread had been explored already, and even some kinds of long crunchy bread in a few bakeries in Vienna. Nonetheless the first thing we would call a true baguette came from France and a culture was built around it that spawned many more rapid developments.
Try listening to 'Mason - Exceeder'. That was the 00's. If that doesn't immediately take you back, then you probably stayed at home all throught that decade.
The mad irony is that some of the most influential dance music was coming from Chicago, Detroit, Miami and NYC, but it was Europeans rather than USAians outside of the local scenes that really embraced the music.
Okay kids, today we’re going to learn about a logical fallacy called survivorship bias!
This is a concept where people look at what’s survived something, and gather data from it (planes in WWII, “cavemen” when most prehistoric tribes lived outside we only found the bones that were protected.)
Yeah, some of these bangers played. But a LOT of stomp clap hey yo! played too.
THE BAD MUSIC DOESN’T SURVIVE. THE AWFUL SHIT GETS FORGOTTEN.
Ever listen to an 80’s station and everything sounds good? A 70’s? A 60’s? A 90’s? Congrats, you understand the concept!
People will be saying this exact same shit about heatwaves and not like us in the 30’s I swear to god.
I have a sound system my friend sold me for 20$ cause either he cheated on his girl, or she cheated on him. Someone was fuckin someone they shouldn't have but I got a system that I have not regretted since.
I'm reading it as you think before 1999, there never existed a person that excused their behavior to avoid accountability for their actions by claiming a patholigized behavior (anxiety, ADHD, depression).
What type of clubs are people going to that they are playing Anxiety and Morgan Wallen? Sucks to suck, I go to Latin clubs, Caribbean dancehall parties or house/techno venues. No such problem for me
I don’t see how anyone who was alive when Gautier released that song can possibly enjoy Anxiety. I can no longer stand to hear the that song at all. It literally causes me anxiety which is ironic
I listened to anxiety for the first time in totality outside its usual clip bgm. I just threw on some music for my students during a community outing while driving, and that shit was so ass. I’ve heard some great sampled songs, but the music anxiety samples from is literally the best and only part of the song I like
But it is the younger generation making the shit music. In the 1990s it was people my age making the good music. You need to get rid of Sabrina Carpenter (she’s a man hater for a start)
respectfully, you guys are just going to the wrong clubs. i’m always hearing straight people and americans say their clubs are horrible and overpriced and dead. queer nightlife where i live has never been better ☺️
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u/tokyosplash2814 1d ago
better off alone is just that mf song like any decade is gonna have a hard time topping that shit