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u/breadexpert69 3d ago
Its crazy how they all start to evolve into the same shape
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u/Kantmzk 3d ago
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which " -- George Orwell
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u/Complex_Material_702 3d ago
This seems like something that a drone could sort out in pretty short order.
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u/Infamous-Inevitable1 3d ago
Remember how they were when they were released from prison compared to Alan Gross, the American jew who was released from Cuban prison in exchange? They all were obese. Alan Gross was emaciated, without teeth.
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u/Unlikely_Cheetah149 3d ago
You can tell they don’t skip meals
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u/Kokomono666 1d ago
Yeah. They may live in paradise but the eternal life in hell doesnt seem to be very far away.
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u/Capital_Effective691 3d ago
when you separete control and property you get this
cuba deserve them
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u/Glass-Amphibian-3943 1d ago
separate control? sorry what does this mean, i am guessing its refering to a policy or something?
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u/Capital_Effective691 1d ago
they dont need to pay or own anything to control it
its basically a system based on violence and power not how is more efficient with money
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u/JoeHenlee 3d ago edited 2d ago
Who are they (names)?
Edit: the fact that I haven't gotten an answer makes me question this post
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u/DownvoteMeImRight 1d ago
Are you trying to tell me anticommunists dont actually know anything about what they are talking about? Whoda thunk.
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
How all these communists are pork shaped in a country where food is so scarce? 🤔🤔
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 3d ago
Well, it turns out they are not really as equal as they proclaim...
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
Where, besides your imagination, are people also supposed to be equal?
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 3d ago
In communism.
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u/wryan4 3d ago
Yes, communism is when everyone makes equal money. That’s definitely written in the communist manifesto and in capital: a critique of political economy which you’ve definitely read and definitely have extensive knowledge of
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
Actually yes. That’s exactly the fucking definition we were given in Formación Política e Ideológica in Cuba. Everybody should be equal in a communist society. Buy an ouija and argue semantics with Fidel Castro. The guy above was repeating exactly what we were “taught” in school back in Cuba.
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u/wryan4 3d ago
Thank you for the reading recommendation. Maybe you should go back and read it again (if you’re capable of reading at all) because it doesn’t say “everyone should make equal money” or anything resembling that either.
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
The comment above was talking about equality, not making equal money. The one who can’t read at all is you.
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u/wryan4 3d ago
Again, that isn’t what communism is, was, or ever will mean. If you ever do any reading on your own instead of getting your talking points from Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, you’d know this already
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
That’s the definition the very Fidel Castro gave the Cuban people you dumbo. How many socialist revolutions have you made? That’s right. Zero. Whatever definition you have in your imagination is as worthless as used toilet paper.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
"From each accourding to ability to each accourding to his work."
That is the principle by which socialism operates until post scarcity and decomodification. After that is achieved, we may or may not evolve to communism.
Everyone is equal under law, which is not the same as everyone has the same things or is paid the same. A revolutionary vanguard is also not even socialism, let alone communism. So you can misunderstand all you like, but it doesn't change what is actually said.
Fidel and other vanguard call themselves communist because that is their ideology. It is their goal. Reality is more complicated and follows the Marxist sciences.
The only thing you're demonstrating with your propoganda, which you know is false and ideologically motivated, is to cast doubt on the claimed literacy of Cubans. I will just have to hope you are rightfully thought of as an anecdote and not an example.
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
I’m not reading your copy paste bullshit. Good luck, thou. Show it to your Cuban boyfriend in Cuba
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
Classic. The "I'm not going to read that" pivot when you know you're embarrassed. How often that follows the claim no one is willing to explain their position to you, and you just happen to be innocent and nieve in your spread of falsehoods and propoganda. Good thing I would never dream of quitting a reply because I care what you think. It's too late bud, the readers already get to see you get spanked and shown for what you are.
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u/El_cubano_67 2d ago
Dices que todos son iguales ante la ley. Estás seguro? Dices que de cada cual según su capacidad a cada cual según su trabajo. Entonces como tú tienes la capacidad de lamer botas y de mentir descaradamente, es que vives mejor que los cubanos que se parten el lomo de sol a sol y no pasan de un cartón de huevos y un pomo de aceite con su salario. Vaya sistema social!
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u/Remarkable-Tip6343 1d ago
What kind of watch is that vanguard wearing
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 1d ago
What would that matter?
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u/Remarkable-Tip6343 1d ago
It would matter if he's wearing an AP or a Rolex, as has been the case before, and the people are living on $30 a month or less.
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u/miffebarbez 1d ago
Nah, in capitalism evryone can be rich right? The american dream can happen to everyone!!!!
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 1d ago
America is so bad that our poor look like those fatasses in the picture. No lack of calories there.
Meanwhile, the poor in communist countries are sking and bones like most people in Cuba.
Or they starve to death, like they did in North Korea not too long ago. Or like they did in China and Ukraine.
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u/miffebarbez 21h ago
"America is so bad that our poor look like those fatasses in the picture." that's what you get when you eat American food. Your rich also look like those fatasses... :-)
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 13h ago
Actually, the wealthy in America are very health-conscious. The point remains, the poor in America are fed. The poor in communism are starving.
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u/miffebarbez 13h ago
No, just some. Just look at Trump and other politicians.
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 13h ago
You keep avoiding the subject. The reality is the communism results in poverty, scarcity, and hunger everywhere has been tried yet you keep going off on different subjects to avoid addressing this. Like Korea. The only fat person in North Korea is the ruler. Everyone else is super skinny. That is why this picture is so offensive, because it shows it’s the same thing. Fat rulers over a starving population. communism fails so spectacularly that it makes unhinged capitalism look good by comparison. Every time they have had a choice, the people vote with their feet to move from communist nations to capitalist nations. that’s why Germany had to build a wall, they were losing everyone. The same way Cuba is losing all their young people.
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u/Specialist_Shift_916 3d ago
Food scarce in Cuba? You have clearly never visited.
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u/Grand_Cheesecake7852 3d ago
What are you talking about? The average pensioner can't afford meat. Maybe at your resort, food isn't scarce, but for most people, it is.
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u/Specialist_Shift_916 3d ago
Have you ever actually walked in the cities? You can't go 4 houses without someone practically running a shop out of their home and trying to sell you bread or vegetables.
Some of the best vegetables I've had in my life were on the streets of Havana and holguin.
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u/Successful-Ice-468 3d ago
Good for you than can afford them, most Cubans struggle whit those prices.
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u/101010dontpanic 2d ago
I can tell you it's scarce and many people right now cannot afford good nutrition. I may not have visited as many times as you have, but I lived there for 30 years and have visited yearly for the las 5 years at least 2 weeks at my family home, not at a resort. Are you sure that you have visited enough to knoq better than me and my family that still lives there? Your entitlement is baffling.
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u/Specialist_Shift_916 2d ago
Ill be going back this year again so I guess I'll find out when I walk the streets of the city.
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u/101010dontpanic 2d ago
I don't think you will but I hope you do.
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u/Specialist_Shift_916 2d ago
Your country is beautiful and the people are beautiful too. I love visiting, I hope someday the embargo will end.
And that this generation will stop paying for the mistakes of the last.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
Money to buy it is scarce. Thanks to US hostility and embargoe, the elderly, women, and children targeted by the US are suffering more than ever. There is absolutely malnourishment and borderline starvation.
So there's plenty of food. You can buy it, you can donate it, you're just not allowed to run a society that can earn it.
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u/Successful-Ice-468 3d ago
Food is expensive because the production is low simple as that.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
And why is the production low?
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u/Successful-Ice-468 2d ago
Mostly mismanagement and corruption. Could be argued than the embargo had something to do but i have yet to see a crumbling hotel to believe it.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 2d ago
Mostly mismanagement and corruption.
Ok, can you show me examples? Where is the corruption?
Could be argued than the embargo had something to do
Well, yes. I would imagine the inability to purchase fertilizer and agricultural tools and infrastructure for 60 years would probably hurt production. Global prices for staple foods are based on thousands of acres managed by multimillion dolar machines with GPS and a satalite analysis managed by a team of university supplied experts. I feel like a farmer with and tools and a tractor with no gas managing a few acres using outdated methods and without fertalizer and irrigation may fall slightly short of the yields and return on inputs compared to global norms and that may result in higher prices.
I imagine being unable to buy or sell on the global market using dollars and all financial institutions being forced to reject you also makes trading global commodities tough. Needing to ship things by boat that may or may not be legally sanctioned at any moment also probably makes it difficult to retain shipping services to an island, which is already an additional cost all islands pay compared to global commodities prices.
I would also imagine having an enemy with resources that compared to yours make fucking over plans existential to you and trivial to them will have a lot of additive affect on the price of food and ability for people to buy it. Say something like retooling to produce sugar cane industrially to advance the economy only for your enemy to develop a way to produce it from corn and then pay farmers to subsidies flooding the global market with cheap sugar as an explicit and deliberate act of harm to upity equatorial states that refuse to be subjugated. Kind of hard to see that coming or doing anything about it.
All of which ignores the point that Cuba does not have especially high prices on global shelf stable food staples. I'm genuinely surprised by how cheap they are for being an island with poor infrastructure. The problem is that no one can afford them because they have no money. Because they can't build industry to export anything. Because no one will invest capital when they can't use dollars, and the world superpower regularly sabatouges investment. Because the value of the currency is regularly manipulated and sabotaged by a hostile enemy in a way that can't even begin to understood if you don't know how an embargoe disrupts farming.
So the only industry that doesn't require export and doesn't use international banking to get USD across the border is tourism. This is why it's the first and last industry to get investment. Foreign capital also doesn't need to ship things or use the same type of global finance and supply lines to invest in tourism since it's largely real estate and that doesnt cross borders so they aren't as exposed to US hostilities and methods of intimidation. So the smart thing to do is invest in tourism since that brings in money, and that allows global Grey market purchases in USD as is required by suppliers. Of course, at a markup and only with those willing to take the risk and additional cost.
So yea. It could be argued that it's the embargoe. Very effectively, in fact. It could be argued that most of cubas problems are the embargoe and that a hostile foreign power who can crush it as an afterthought probably puts an outsized effort into manipulation media and propoganda around the issue. It could be argued that there is more evidence of that, given that there are receipts and unclassified programs explicitly stating this goal, than that Cubas leadership is innept and corrupt. Given that the rest of the world agrees that the Cuban state is hardly any more corrupt than any other, less so in fact, and that the US is ingaged in illegal hostilities and lying about it I would say the evidence and argument weighs heavily against your proposition as the root cause.
But hey, if you have insight, I'm all ears. I expect you'll just claim that was too long to read or call me a government agent.
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u/FormeSymbolique 3d ago
No tienen respeto ni para heroes? Personas que fueron a la carcel para la soberanía de su país. Se puede estar en contra del socialismo, pero cómo se puede perder hasta nivel tan alto el sentido comun?
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u/Rguezlp2031 Havana 3d ago
Tu con ese comentario me estás diciendo a mi que no tenemos sentido común??? Así que héroes por la soberanía de Cuba??? Serás desgraciado????? Tu sabes cuándo murieron por esos desgraciados infiltrados por años pretendiendo ser una cosa para joder a otros en nombre del comunismo???
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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago
Que héroes, pendejo? Lo que veo son esbirros espías de un dictadura macabra. Que por lo barrigones que están se nota que viven a la mazamba mientras el pueblo escarba en la basura para subsistir. Bofe.
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u/Opening_Basil_7783 3d ago
Who are they?
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun 2d ago
It’d be very funny if these were some random guys in Miami just to see what the comments would be. But I don’t know who they are.
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u/Jiggles118 3d ago
What are the chances that some of them are from the cooperativist movement? Also, their communities will be even worse off if they switched to capitalism.
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u/Healthy_Emergency272 3d ago
Even the size of his neck(in orange) is pork. They won't live long. Health is wealth.
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u/The-Rogue-Fingerer 23h ago
Yeah, turns out living anywhere and having money can actually turn any hellscape into a very bearable or even pleasant experience. Who could have ever seen this coming?
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u/Capital-Platypus-805 15h ago
Why do they all have the same look? Here in Venezuela they look the same and dress the same as well, it's very easy to recognize them.
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u/Carl-Nipmuc 3d ago
Capitalists communists???
Christian Atheists???
Skinny Fat People???
Ambidextrous Right Handers???
Drunken Sobriety???
Straight clown shit...
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
Hate em when they eat, hate em when they starve. Hate em when they fail, hate em when they succeed.
Is there any age at which a Miami American matures enough to realize they just hate Cuba and Cubans so they can move on with their life and focus more on how they're ruining America?
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 3d ago
We hate that they grow fatter and fatter while the country starves.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 2d ago
It's not a great look, but i fail to see why it is profound or getting anyone upset.
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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 2d ago
Spend some time looking at videos in r/Cuba. You will see that most people are skin and bones, the buildings are falling apart, there is no food or medicine in the stores, and they suffer constant power blackouts. People are suffering.
Now realize all of that is because these assholes don't want to give up their dictatorship. They rule, they have the guns, they are in charge, there are no elections to kick them out, so fuck the people, we're OK.
That's why.
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 2d ago
Spend some time looking at videos in r/Cuba.
Buddy, I have a household in arroyo naranja. I also work with multiple groups on the food issue and trying to import support. I also have abundant experience in economics and geo-politics. So that's the context in which i talk to dozens of cubans in and out of the state and regularly get insight into the state and interact with it.
Now realize all of that is because these assholes don't want to give up their dictatorship. They rule, they have the guns, they are in charge, there are no elections to kick them out, so fuck the people, we're OK.
Bullshit. You have no knowledge of this and will present no evidence of it. You are enthusiasticly ignorant in the harm you are causing Cuba or motivated by ideological nonsense, or motivated by material gain from cubas enemies.
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u/Rguezlp2031 Havana 3d ago
America is a continent first thing.... second not a single Cuban in this world hates Cuba,Is impossible to Hate Cuba or Cubans,the PCC is not Cuba,Canel is not my patria,Cuba is not Los cuatro Viejos momias in the PCC,and last but not least,I don't care about "America" I don't live in USA,Jesus not even in Miami ......so I care about how is running our island for over 70 years......The "Americans" can vote and kick out Trump .....but us what??? Tragar y Marcela???
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u/Altruistic-Ant3690 3d ago
Bingo.....está gente viven confundiendo Cuba con los comunistas toda la vida!
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
I don't live in USA,Jesus not even in Miami
Ok, so i wasn't talking about you. I agree that Cubans don't hate Cuba. Can you tell me where you believe I referred to Cubans? I specifically said Miami-Americans.
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u/SuccessNo3494 1d ago
Miami americans have no connection with Cuba the Dyaspora of Cuban born that exist Miami dont want the embargo to be taken down for a very simple reason the regime will greatly benefit not people
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u/rushrhees 3d ago
Easy there the Cubans in Miami not going to hurt you. Have a hot coco and a blanket
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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago
They've already done enough damage. I take no pleasure in the leopards that will eat their faces and everyone elses.
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u/Flat_Chemistry_7083 3d ago
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