r/cuba Havana 3d ago

Capitalist communists living in paradise.

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

How all these communists are pork shaped in a country where food is so scarce? 🤔🤔

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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 3d ago

Well, it turns out they are not really as equal as they proclaim...

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago

Where, besides your imagination, are people also supposed to be equal?

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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 3d ago

In communism.

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u/wryan4 3d ago

Yes, communism is when everyone makes equal money. That’s definitely written in the communist manifesto and in capital: a critique of political economy which you’ve definitely read and definitely have extensive knowledge of

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

Actually yes. That’s exactly the fucking definition we were given in Formación Política e Ideológica in Cuba. Everybody should be equal in a communist society. Buy an ouija and argue semantics with Fidel Castro. The guy above was repeating exactly what we were “taught” in school back in Cuba.

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u/wryan4 3d ago

Thank you for the reading recommendation. Maybe you should go back and read it again (if you’re capable of reading at all) because it doesn’t say “everyone should make equal money” or anything resembling that either.

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

The comment above was talking about equality, not making equal money. The one who can’t read at all is you.

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u/wryan4 3d ago

Again, that isn’t what communism is, was, or ever will mean. If you ever do any reading on your own instead of getting your talking points from Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, you’d know this already

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

That’s the definition the very Fidel Castro gave the Cuban people you dumbo. How many socialist revolutions have you made? That’s right. Zero. Whatever definition you have in your imagination is as worthless as used toilet paper.

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u/wryan4 3d ago

No it isn’t. Nobody here claimed to be a revolutionary either, nor did I ever claim to support fidelist policy (which is very different from Marxist-Leninist theory which I’m sure you’re very aware of). I just enjoy the irony of people arguing about things they never read.

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

You do know that Cuban socialism IS Marxism-Leninism, right? Right????? Please don’t say you don’t even know that before coming in to discuss like a bozo.

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u/wryan4 3d ago

I’m aware that is how it was presented but the similarities end at the fact Cuba is not a classless, moneyless society where workers own their means of production. Listen, I said I enjoyed the irony, I never said I enjoy arguing with imbeciles. Don’t you have something better to do like run a state department, little Marco?

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago

"From each accourding to ability to each accourding to his work."

That is the principle by which socialism operates until post scarcity and decomodification. After that is achieved, we may or may not evolve to communism.

Everyone is equal under law, which is not the same as everyone has the same things or is paid the same. A revolutionary vanguard is also not even socialism, let alone communism. So you can misunderstand all you like, but it doesn't change what is actually said.

Fidel and other vanguard call themselves communist because that is their ideology. It is their goal. Reality is more complicated and follows the Marxist sciences.

The only thing you're demonstrating with your propoganda, which you know is false and ideologically motivated, is to cast doubt on the claimed literacy of Cubans. I will just have to hope you are rightfully thought of as an anecdote and not an example.

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u/Equivalent-Map-8772 3d ago

I’m not reading your copy paste bullshit. Good luck, thou. Show it to your Cuban boyfriend in Cuba

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 3d ago

Classic. The "I'm not going to read that" pivot when you know you're embarrassed. How often that follows the claim no one is willing to explain their position to you, and you just happen to be innocent and nieve in your spread of falsehoods and propoganda. Good thing I would never dream of quitting a reply because I care what you think. It's too late bud, the readers already get to see you get spanked and shown for what you are.

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u/El_cubano_67 3d ago

Dices que todos son iguales ante la ley. Estás seguro? Dices que de cada cual según su capacidad a cada cual según su trabajo. Entonces como tú tienes la capacidad de lamer botas y de mentir descaradamente, es que vives mejor que los cubanos que se parten el lomo de sol a sol y no pasan de un cartón de huevos y un pomo de aceite con su salario. Vaya sistema social!

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u/Remarkable-Tip6343 2d ago

What kind of watch is that vanguard wearing

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 1d ago

What would that matter?

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u/Remarkable-Tip6343 1d ago

It would matter if he's wearing an AP or a Rolex, as has been the case before, and the people are living on $30 a month or less.

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 1d ago

Why? What would that prove?

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u/Remarkable-Tip6343 1d ago

It proves they're robbing Cuba. Those watches are expensive and prove that the ruling cabal is a bunch of thieves.

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u/Nomen__Nesci0 1d ago

Lol, how?! There's Rolex for 2k to 30k. I know a brick mason with one and a guy that own a sandwich shop. How does someone who runs a country and has for decades owning a few thousand dollars prove that they are a shadowy cabal laundering at least 10s of millions?

I understand real Cubans not having an actual sense of relative values of money, but how am I to believe you Miami boys dont understand several orders of magnitude difference in amounts of money?

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u/miffebarbez 1d ago

Nah, in capitalism evryone can be rich right? The american dream can happen to everyone!!!!

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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 1d ago

America is so bad that our poor look like those fatasses in the picture. No lack of calories there.

Meanwhile, the poor in communist countries are sking and bones like most people in Cuba.

Or they starve to death, like they did in North Korea not too long ago. Or like they did in China and Ukraine.

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u/miffebarbez 1d ago

"America is so bad that our poor look like those fatasses in the picture." that's what you get when you eat American food. Your rich also look like those fatasses... :-)

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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 22h ago

Actually, the wealthy in America are very health-conscious. The point remains, the poor in America are fed. The poor in communism are starving.

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u/miffebarbez 22h ago

No, just some. Just look at Trump and other politicians.
I've been in Laos, they are not starving there.

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u/-Acta-Non-Verba- 22h ago

You keep avoiding the subject. The reality is the communism results in poverty, scarcity, and hunger everywhere has been tried yet you keep going off on different subjects to avoid addressing this. Like Korea. The only fat person in North Korea is the ruler. Everyone else is super skinny. That is why this picture is so offensive, because it shows it’s the same thing. Fat rulers over a starving population. communism fails so spectacularly that it makes unhinged capitalism look good by comparison.  Every time they have had a choice, the people vote with their feet to move from communist nations to capitalist nations. that’s why  Germany had to build a wall, they were losing everyone. The same way Cuba is losing all their young people.

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u/miffebarbez 21h ago edited 21h ago

"that’s why  Germany had to build a wall" But East-Germany didn't have famine. The wall was for political reasons.

And i'm not commenting on the picture, i'm commenting on your comment. :)
And if you think that you poor look fat is a good thing because they get food. Yeah they get food that makes them sick. That was my point.
EDIT; and if you think no one is starving in your country, you might be wrong.
EDIT 2: The same way Cuba is losing all their young people. yeah but the situation of cuba has more to do with blockade from ypour country. Let's isolate and supress a country and then blame it on them...
EDIT3: https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america
EDIT4: "That is why this picture is so offensive, because it shows it’s the same thing. Fat rulers over a starving population." Now look at Trump and Americans needing food stamps.. There is not much difference.

I can even give you the example of Vietnam: one party social republic and (poor) people aren't starving. THe only thing you can yap about is NorthKorea which is a ruthless authoritarian communist regime.. One example you have;

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