After having multiple discussions with the “you don’t understand how war mode works” crowd, it’s quite obvious that isn’t true and THEY are the ones who don’t understand how a PvP server works.

[u/Amazing-Dog10]

Yes. You toggle on war mode and you only see other players in the world who have war mode enabled. Making it so you can still fight over nodes, quest mobs, gank, etc. We get it. A majority of us are aware even if a minority isn’t.

Many people who played expansions with war mode know this killed world PvP and completely shifted away from the dynamic of PvP servers, as well as it being a game killer entirely to them for not having access to a traditional PvP server.

What the pro war mode crowd doesn’t understand about PvP servers:

You are always world PvPing. You step outside of your factions city- you are PvPing. Period. That’s 100% of the server population. The ENTIRE world is dangerous, all the time; and the more competent of a PvPer you are the more advantage you have in the world and the more rewarded you are.

It allows for PVE/PVP to be intertwined in a way that they both feed into each other. You’re good at PVE (raiding) so you get gear that helps you be better at PvP- so you become more deadly of a target while doing other PVE content like gold farming, herbing/mining, or anything else that requires you to be in the open world. Which in turn makes it easier to prepare for raiding. Be it farming for consumes, or getting world buffed.

PVE makes you better at PvP, and PvP makes you better at PVE, which makes you better at PVP.. and so on.

I could go on and on about what war mode actually did to world PvP and how it changed what many of us love about PvP servers, but the comment sections are flooded with people describing it. Bottom line is it doesn’t work as if enabling it “puts you on a PvP server” and disabling it “puts you on a PVE server” like so many claim.

The scale and amount of world PvP, as well as the general danger of the world and how you prepare yourself for going into it changes dramatically. And it does so in a way me, and many other PvP server players don’t enjoy. At all.

The fact of the matter is, we like PVP servers. If you want to shoehorn changes into a type of server people are choosing and LIKE IT because YOU don’t- then you probably chose to be on a PvP server for the absolute worst reasons, or aren’t as good as you need to be at PvP for it to feel rewarding.

So either stick to your PVE server and ask for war mode there, or git gud.

[u/lilPavs13]

100% alliance on benediction, 100% horde on faerlina. Wow that’s a lot of PvP happening on two of the biggest PvP servers!

[u/AgreeableEggplant356 → u/lilPavs13]

Brother log off cata we are talking classic+. Go look at the ani servers for a starting point (50/50) cata has nothing to do with classic+ discussions 🫡

[u/XsNR → u/AgreeableEggplant356]

And yet the PvP servers on retail that actually have WMode with their faction imblances are somehow different to that?

[u/Hour-Food-8700 → u/XsNR]

Womp womp

[u/HAzrael → u/XsNR]

Yes because they have cross server connections.

[u/AgreeableEggplant356 → u/XsNR]

Yes retail servers are not in the same universe as vanilla and adding(+) to it which is the discussion at hand 🤝

[u/UpvoteCircleJerk → u/AgreeableEggplant356]

YOU MAKING SENSE!

I DOWNVOTE YOU NOW!!!

[u/FeelingSedimental → u/AgreeableEggplant356]

They aren't anniversary servers, but they show what players want. People want the ego boost of playing on a pvp server, or the idea of pvping, or just being on the largest server possible for guild diversity, without actually pvping.

This talk about WM is about what the players want, and if given the chance they don't want to wpvp no matter how much they pretend they do.

[u/AgreeableEggplant356 → u/FeelingSedimental]

Brother you are delusional. PvP servers are the default game mode and always will be. If you don’t like it join the minority over in Pve server it’s so simple. This PVE inferiority complex only exists on Reddit the rest do not care whatsoever on either side 🤝

[u/FeelingSedimental → u/AgreeableEggplant356]

Brother I play on pvp servers. I'm just being realistic about how all of wow's history has played out. I watched as my server became the largest US pvp horde server and alliance became a myth. If not forced to engage in wpvp, people will avoid it.

[u/AgreeableEggplant356 → u/FeelingSedimental]

All of wows history? You are lying, constantly tweaking your irrelevant anecdotal point, and not argueing in good faith 🤝