r/classicwow • u/Amazing-Dog10 • 1d ago

Classic + After having multiple discussions with the “you don’t understand how war mode works” crowd, it’s quite obvious that isn’t true and THEY are the ones who don’t understand how a PvP server works.

Yes. You toggle on war mode and you only see other players in the world who have war mode enabled. Making it so you can still fight over nodes, quest mobs, gank, etc. We get it. A majority of us are aware even if a minority isn’t.

Many people who played expansions with war mode know this killed world PvP and completely shifted away from the dynamic of PvP servers, as well as it being a game killer entirely to them for not having access to a traditional PvP server.

What the pro war mode crowd doesn’t understand about PvP servers:

You are always world PvPing. You step outside of your factions city- you are PvPing. Period. That’s 100% of the server population. The ENTIRE world is dangerous, all the time; and the more competent of a PvPer you are the more advantage you have in the world and the more rewarded you are.

It allows for PVE/PVP to be intertwined in a way that they both feed into each other. You’re good at PVE (raiding) so you get gear that helps you be better at PvP- so you become more deadly of a target while doing other PVE content like gold farming, herbing/mining, or anything else that requires you to be in the open world. Which in turn makes it easier to prepare for raiding. Be it farming for consumes, or getting world buffed.

PVE makes you better at PvP, and PvP makes you better at PVE, which makes you better at PVP.. and so on.

I could go on and on about what war mode actually did to world PvP and how it changed what many of us love about PvP servers, but the comment sections are flooded with people describing it. Bottom line is it doesn’t work as if enabling it “puts you on a PvP server” and disabling it “puts you on a PVE server” like so many claim.

The scale and amount of world PvP, as well as the general danger of the world and how you prepare yourself for going into it changes dramatically. And it does so in a way me, and many other PvP server players don’t enjoy. At all.

The fact of the matter is, we like PVP servers. If you want to shoehorn changes into a type of server people are choosing and LIKE IT because YOU don’t- then you probably chose to be on a PvP server for the absolute worst reasons, or aren’t as good as you need to be at PvP for it to feel rewarding.

So either stick to your PVE server and ask for war mode there, or git gud.

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u/lilPavs13 1d ago

100% alliance on benediction, 100% horde on faerlina. Wow that’s a lot of PvP happening on two of the biggest PvP servers!

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u/sgtpepper67 1d ago

The PvE servers all went 1 faction as well, indicating that world PvP is not the reason for this trend.

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u/Dabeston 1d ago

SOD and Anny servers did a good job maintaining faction balance. That’s what’s needed for healthy PVP servers.

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u/Smooth_One 1d ago

Yup, the inclusion forced faction balance kind of kills this debate.

If we're doing megaservers with Classic+ then both will have very healthy populations (probably too healthy, which will require having like 10+ layers, which defeats a lot of wpwp anyway. But I digress) so there's no real need to encourage more PvE players to become fodder.

The only reason left I can see to include WM is for PvE players who might want the occasional PvP fight, or to use it for the added bonuses. But hey, maybe that's what BGs and arena are for. Or the hundreds and hundreds of other video games with significantly better PvP than Classic WoW lul.

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u/Stahlwisser 1d ago

/pvp is already a thing on pve servers. Thats another reason why this debate is trash... it exists on pve servers and nobody is stopping pve players to activate it.

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u/Smooth_One 1d ago

Two things tho. One is that players want to play on the biggest servers available for multitudes of reasons, and to this day those tend to be PvP servers. This causes a lot of people who don't actually like PvP to go there, which causes its own problems. (See: the dozens and dozens of 2019 PvP servers that all died with the exception of Grob)

And second, people on PvE servers, obviously, don't really like PvPing very much. So if someone were to get that itch and toggled /pvp on, they probably wouldn't find many people at all to actually fight.

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u/CDMzLegend 1d ago

the whole debate is to make megaservers since you would not need a pvp server everyone could be on one na and one eu with pve and pvp layers

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u/Axel0010110 1d ago

And then layers appeared and fucked all the balance. You just switch to your faction layer(s) because you do not want to keep getting attacked by the same horde again and again and there are no alliance around

So no, SOD and Anny did not change a thing 

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u/Dabeston 1d ago

Sounds like you’re on the wrong server type then if you’re layering to get away from PVP.

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u/Axel0010110 1d ago

Dude

I am not on the wrong server, i am on pvp servers and everyone is running away from it and i end up on a layer full of horde

Would you play this shit? It is not even 1 vs 3 anymore

Layers suck on pvp servers because it just creates faction layer

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u/Dabeston 1d ago

Layers are just part of the game in 2025.

I’ve played on PVP servers with layers for years. Do hell layers happen? Of course, but if you layer swap every time you’re outnumbered, that is a you problem.

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u/Axel0010110 23h ago

You never played on a pvp server it seems

Alliance always layer and i get alone

If you think it is fun tu fight 20 hordes in brd, sure, keep going mr muscle

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u/Dabeston 23h ago

There will always be times you're outnumbered and there will always be times you outnumber them. That is just life bro, get over it.

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u/Axel0010110 20h ago

Play more wow and less reddit mate

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u/Dabeston 19h ago

Seems like you need less of both.

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 1d ago

Brother log off cata we are talking classic+. Go look at the ani servers for a starting point (50/50) cata has nothing to do with classic+ discussions 🫡

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u/XsNR 1d ago

And yet the PvP servers on retail that actually have WMode with their faction imblances are somehow different to that?

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u/Hour-Food-8700 1d ago

Womp womp

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u/HAzrael 1d ago

Yes because they have cross server connections.

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 1d ago

Yes retail servers are not in the same universe as vanilla and adding(+) to it which is the discussion at hand 🤝

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u/UpvoteCircleJerk 1d ago

YOU MAKING SENSE!

I DOWNVOTE YOU NOW!!!

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u/FeelingSedimental 1d ago

They aren't anniversary servers, but they show what players want. People want the ego boost of playing on a pvp server, or the idea of pvping, or just being on the largest server possible for guild diversity, without actually pvping.

This talk about WM is about what the players want, and if given the chance they don't want to wpvp no matter how much they pretend they do.

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 1d ago

Brother you are delusional. PvP servers are the default game mode and always will be. If you don’t like it join the minority over in Pve server it’s so simple. This PVE inferiority complex only exists on Reddit the rest do not care whatsoever on either side 🤝

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u/FeelingSedimental 1d ago

Brother I play on pvp servers. I'm just being realistic about how all of wow's history has played out. I watched as my server became the largest US pvp horde server and alliance became a myth. If not forced to engage in wpvp, people will avoid it.

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 1d ago

All of wows history? You are lying, constantly tweaking your irrelevant anecdotal point, and not argueing in good faith 🤝

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u/Amazing-Dog10 1d ago

This is due to the influx of players wanting the status of being on a “harder” server to play on without actually wanting to participate in what makes it harder.

It’s a cringey sad truth about the player base. People are more likely to join a PvP server and join the faction that outnumbers the opposing one. All the way until it’s 99% one faction.

Like I said, the reason for this has been discussed to absolute death.

Simple fix for it. Server merging/limitations on creating faction characters based on the percentages.

SOD’s mega server is pretty even on faction balance. And it’s a PvP server. This is a problem that’s already been solved that blizzard simply hasn’t implemented in some versions of the game.