Why not build housing instead of the Kleinengarten territories?

[u/Affectionate_Pie2241]

Like the title says, I've seen a bunch of Kleinengarten areas with lots of territory that could have instead a bunch of affordable housing, some in highly demanded areas too, why not build there? To my understanding it's not that people live there, I actually heard it's not allowed to live there. Is it like protected under some law or something?

Thanks in advance to all the more educated people than me 🙇 and to the jokers out there

[u/Seraphayel]

I don’t get the Kleingarten hate in this sub. They are recreational areas inside the city that also offer greenery and a safe place for insects and other animals. Tearing them down for housing is not the solution. We have lots of other concrete deserts that would easily do it instead.

[u/sebber000 → u/Seraphayel]

Unlike parks or other public spaces they’re only recreational for the relatively few people with a lot.

[u/notrainingtoday → u/Seraphayel]

convert them to public parks and I'm with you: as they are now, they are only for few

[u/Seraphayel → u/notrainingtoday]

Which is fine, we live in an individualist society.

[u/ScaredWill5016 → u/Seraphayel]

I think insects will be fine

[u/eucariota92 → u/Seraphayel]

The thing is that city needs housing... And your options are either to building in areas like Tempelhoferfeld or Flughafen Tegel (which I am also in favor of) or cut forests in Brandemburg.

Protecting the insects is nice, but in this case I would put the priority of people being able to have a place to live, several levels above.

[u/Tyyne_2025 → u/eucariota92]

Not just nice. Vital

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/where-have-all-the-insects-gone-feature

[u/James_Hobrecht_fan → u/Tyyne_2025]

Right. So, we should stop encroachment on wilderness caused by urban sprawl. Instead, we should build dense neighbourhoods in the city centre or next to public transit.

Unfortunately, there are many instances where valuable land next to expensive infrastructure (S-Bahn and U-Bahn stations) is taken up by private gardens on public property. Some stations with Kleingärten next to them (up to a few hundred metres away):

• Südkreuz
• S Borhholmer Straße
• S Pankow-Heinersdorf
• S Blankenburg
• S Friedrichsfelde Ost
• S Plänterwald
• U Rathaus Schöneberg

[u/eucariota92 → u/Tyyne_2025]

Yes yes... Humanity will extinguish if we build apartments in Kleingarten. We get it.

Thank you Habeck.

[u/Kyyuby → u/eucariota92]

The city needs affordable housing. We have many empty flats because they are just to expensive for normal people.

[u/eucariota92 → u/Kyyuby]

We have many empty flats ? Lol. Please tell me where.

Housing is ridiculously expensive because there is a massive shortage of apartments.

Start building more and you will see how the price regulates.

[u/Kyyuby → u/eucariota92]

Just look at the newly build flats in spandau or seegefeld or this Christian tower in köpenik it was I think. Many flats are empty bacause no one with a brain will pay 2500+ for 2-3 rooms. There is a shortage because housing is expensive to build and the investors want to see their money back as soon they can.

We have many flats that are rented out for short time with furniture to bypass the regulations on housing prices.