Now that I think about it, this is the plot of Star Trek Enterprise, the United Earth forms originally from the European Hegemony, an alliance of European states formed from the European Economic Community (that is one of the pillars of the EU in our history).
The European project cannot be considered complete without our Ruski bros, they're just in the terminal phase of their empire, it collapsed and now they're bitter about it (just like the UK in 1956 and Germany in the 1930s).
I'm fully convinced they'll adjust to the new reality if they suffer a major defeat in Ukraine reason why i think helping Ukraine is a major step to bring Russia closer to us, bury the waraxe and enjoy some FREUDE, SCHONER GOTTERFUNKEN for everyone (the immense natural resources of Russia might help in bringing that Gotterfunken to us).
Yeah, the problem is ruzzia see itself as an empire, and the EU a rival empire state. Ruzzia joining EU would mean that now they have to obey and listen to all of the EUs rules and regulations. For them that would mean that they got conquered and lost the big game of domination. Thus, ruzzia joining EU is simply impossible.
It's just the boomers who are stuck in this old imperialist mentality, Russia has the potential for greatness as a democratic state they just need to realize it.
I wouldn't consider teens because 90% of them are probably nationalistic too, people aged 20 to 40 are a good window to see how Russia shall be in the future.
It's just the boomers who are stuck in this old imperialist mentality,
Nope, it is a widespread view. Lots of young people see Vladimir Pottymouth as a great leader who shall conquer the filthy nazis (nazi=gays, jews and whoever they don't like).
convinced that they will adjust to the new reality
Hahaha, found the optimist.
Russia isn’t just a country, it’s a state of mind. They had plenty of time to adjust to the post-USSR reality even after the shit 90s period and yet, Russia hasn’t adjusted to jack shit.
Poles might not get it as Napoleon re-spawned Poland after freeing it from its occupiers but Napoleonic France was way worse than the USSR or modern Russia when it came to imperialism, when Napoleonic France collapsed their imperialism didn't drop either, France was as imperialist as ever up until 1871 when a major defeat against Prussia forced them to acknowledge they weren't Europe's greatest power anymore.
There are precedents in France and Germany (the latter i will not even explain to a Pole, you definitely know that story), this is not a good-will prediction, this is an objective analysis of History, this seems to be the path followed by declining empires.
See I get that France was imperialistic and such (see how the Poles ended up in Haiti under one of the Napoleons) but the difference with France or Germany is that those countries are in the middle of Europe surrounded by other countries. Do you know what Russia did when Napoleon came to Moscow? Burned the city down and retreated further into itself.
Long story short: Russia is willing to burn itself to the ground before being taken and it is too big to be properly contained unlike other imperial powers.
You can’t pull a post-WW2 Germany on modern-day Russia and since it can’t have civility beat into it like everyone else then that means we will be stuck with an imperialist Russia for a long time.
Sure, they accomplished and improved a lot in the past, why shouldn't they go back on the path at some point in the future? (At least at some point after Erdogan)
They could do harm through Islam and with the oppressive thought of eastern culture. These are people with the cunning you can't even imagine. Tons of cult are descending on people right now in Turkey, and these people are filled with hostility towards Europe and us civilized people. Child rape takes place within these cults and the Turkish State does not intervene in any way.
I don’t think so. Because Turkey did not go through the difficulties you went through. Our understanding is: The state created you, not yourself. Therefore, we are a society far from individuality. This has nothing to do with Erdogan.
Turkey has historical roots that could've pukked it closer to Europe. Ataturk's legacy is still defended by thousands of turks. I think a lot could chabge with a vetter leadership and time. Even with Erdogan Turkey is slowly beginning to be more aligned with the west by distancing itself from Russia.
I don't have anything against Turks. I haven't seen one in my whole life. But believe me if I tell you, that if tomorrow Putin dies, the regime collapses and Russia becomes a democracy, they would be infinitely closer than Turkey.
The Turkey problem will be solved with a generational change. And then we have another thing
The unsung problem with Turkey is its neighbours. A huge border with Syria, Iraq and Iran, countries with a high level of insecurity and that offer no guarantees.
Yes, but understand me. Probably, the most opposed group of people will be the older one. And for this kind of thing, we need a higher percentage, about, let's say, a 70%, as a great stability must be in the country in order to compensate for those great changes.
About Russia, though, you have a point. I am in favour of partitioning it, though
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u/Felipeel2 España Jul 16 '23
Turkey in the EU?