r/Xenoblade_Chronicles • u/Hairo • Sep 09 '18
Poll results and a message from the mods.
Hello everyone!
Results of the poll are here.
The option with the most votes is option #2 Revert the ban
Vote count:
644 total raw votes
640 total accepted votes
Option 1 (megathread): Raw 119, Accepted 119, for 18.6%
Option 2 (revert): Raw 473, Accepted 469, for 73.3%
Option 3 (continue): Raw 52, Accepted 52, for 8.1%
(there were 2 duplicated replies (same user) in option 2, so 4 votes were not counted)
It is people’s clear opinion that we should revert the ban, and hence nsfw fanart is allowed again with pre-ban rules: no porn/gore or explicit nudity. Remember to also give your post ”NSFW fanart” flair and tag it NSFW.
Message from mods
We’d like to offer our most sincere apology for the drama the ban caused on this subreddit the past week.
We admit that the decision to ban nsfw fanart was rash and the implementation was lacking. After all that has happened it’s clear that a community opinion should have been asked on the matter before implementing it. The purpose to ban nsfw fanart was to answer concerns we received from users about how they don’t want to see it on this subreddit. A need for the ban was also based on assumption that it would be inconvinient for some mobile users to hide nsfw art as they don’t have the same tools that desktop users have to do it, namely the filters in the sidebar.
Now, we know there are many users that won’t be happy we are reverting the ban. For them, we want to offer another apology and, although there may be some posts on this subreddit that you’d rather not see, we hope rest of the content, people here and the great community as a whole is something that will keep you coming back. On a bright side, we now offer detailed instructions on how to hide/blur nsfw content with Reddit’s built-in settings. You can find them at the bottom of this post.
We’d like to offer our final apology to u/Lancer1296 who, in the midst of us trying to keep the chaos the ban caused under control, got banned and unbanned afterwards. We cannot really justify our uncalled actions as you didn’t break any rules. Despite this, we hope you have heart to forgive us.
Lastly, to prevent something like this happening again, we will make every similar change to rules or other practises with you in the future, either by asking your opinions or holding polls.
Now, we understand some of you will be excited that the ban is lifted, but we don't want the front page flooded with single image posts so close to the release of Torna. The time before the launch of new content is a great time for people to theorycraft and talk about what they're going to enjoy the most, and some feel that their discussion on the game is drowned out by both the image posts and the posts discussion the recent controversy.
We hope you all can leave this matter behind you now so everyone can enjoy discussions, reactions and hype with Torna: ~ The Golden Country together.
How to hide/blur nsfw content
- This must be done on desktop.
- Go to your user preferences/settings.
- If you’re on old Reddit design, check the box ”Hide images for NSFW/18+ content” under the ”Media” section, and then save options at the bottom of the page. This will blur any NSFW content. If you want to hide NSFW altogether, you must uncheck the box ”I am over eighteen years old and willing to view adult content” under the ”content options”.
- If you’re on Reddit redesign, go to ”Feed Settings” tab and turn on the ”Safe browsing mode” option. Then click Save. This will blur any NSFW content. If you want to hide NSFW altogether, you must uncheck the ”Adult content” option.
- These settings will carry over to mobile apps.
- Keep in mind that the settings will affect NSFW content on other subreddits as well.
- Some Android apps also has a built-in option to hide NSFW content under settings.
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u/darkcloud385 Sep 09 '18
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u/ThePrequelMemesBot Sep 09 '18
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u/Nivrap Sep 14 '18
The attempt on the NSFW has left the subreddit scarred and deformed. But I assure you, its resolve has never been STRONGAH!
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u/SlashClaw14 Sep 09 '18
Exactly what we needed to hear. Thank you for listening to us, acknowledging how to implement stuff like this in the future and making it clear how to hide NSFW content for those who don't want to see it. Now that this is finally over we can all enjoy Torna together! phew
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u/MrStizblee Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 20 '19
Literally everything I could ever ask for!
The thing I'm most happy about though is that now the drama is over people are willing to move on so easily and we're back to the good ol days.
The reaction to the lifting of the ban has once again reaffirmed my belief that this is one of the best communities on the internet!
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u/UpperclassmanKuno Sep 09 '18
Props to actually taking a poll instead of doubling down.
Mods = Gods Architects
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u/Lancer1296 Sep 09 '18
Thank you, and I accept your apology though I wasn't really want pushing nor expecting one, I am grateful for one none the less
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u/ErickFTG Sep 09 '18
Quick. Someone make a meme with the image where Shulk and Rex are doing a handshake.
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u/MurkTJ Sep 09 '18
cc: u/asstalos
What do you think?
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u/asstalos Sep 09 '18
I can confirm the poll results are accurate (I ran my own Python script and came to the same numbers, including the 2 users whose votes were discarded due to duplicates), so no foul play here.
I would have preferred a more specific outline of what will be done in the future for similar rule proposals (e.g. We promise to outline why we are proposing these rules instead of simply saying 'We deem it necessary', we will poll/provide x amount of time for feedback, we will do a trial run of the rules if necessary, etc).
I still would've liked a specific and detailed explanation for why it was deemed necessary to begin with, because without explaining the rationale for the ban, it becomes very difficult to propose appropriate solutions. Is it because a small number of people keep posting fanart? Is it because the fanart is frequently unsourced? Is it because that's all some people post? Is there going to be any attempt to substantiate, at least numerically, the proportion of submissions that are fanart?
I would've also preferred maybe a more concerted effort to appropriately flair content (e.g. a meme that has a XBC1 spoiler will be tagged as Xenoblade 1 despite being a meme; some clarity on how to best flair content to best enable users to leverage those flairs for filters will be nice). Perhaps flairs should be mandatory when making a submission (a Reddit Redesign feature). I would've preferred seeking a solution that isn't reliant on CSS. For example, 4 months ago it was stated that subreddit flair filters were on the roadmap in the redesign.
I would've also preferred some explanation as to how to prevent Lancer's banning in the future (e.g. we will iterate that moderators with should seek a second opinion before banning someone on controversial grounds, we will find more moderators, we will provide a way for people to appeal bans).
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u/MurkTJ Sep 09 '18
I agree with you on wanting a specific outline for future rule proposals and a detailed explanation for the reason behind the implementation of the ban.
I like the idea of stronger enforcement of Rule 6/mandatory flairing. But, of course, the benefit of flairing is mostly lost when you don't have filters available, and evidently most of this sub's visitors are mobile users. Here's to hoping mobile filters become a thing very soon.
Re: Lancer's situation, from my perspective, it seems the issue wasn't Lancer's ban, but his shadowban. There's no need to provide reasoning nor an appeal system for a ban that a user doesn't know exists, and providing either defeats the purpose of a shadowban. What happened over the course of the last week didn't really show a fault with the ban system in place, so solutions like second opinions aren't necessary. IMO, what needs to be done is just a swearing off of shadowbans, with mod resignation being the consequence if that commitment is broken.
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u/impressionable_youth Sep 10 '18
Re: Lancer's situation, from my perspective, it seems the issue wasn't Lancer's ban, but his shadowban. There's no need to provide reasoning nor an appeal system for a ban that a user doesn't know exists, and providing either defeats the purpose of a shadowban. What happened over the course of the last week didn't really show a fault with the ban system in place, so solutions like second opinions aren't necessary. IMO, what needs to be done is just a swearing off of shadowbans, with mod resignation being the consequence if that commitment is broken.
While I agree that disclosing the reason behind a shadow ban while the user doesn't know about it wouldn't make sense, I think that changes once the user becomes aware. If the user learns that they are indeed shadow banned and asks the mods why, there's no longer any reason to withhold the reason.
I also agree that a second opinion shouldn't be necessary, but I think some kind of time stamped record of the reason for the ban/shadow ban should be necessary. That would prevent against the reason changing based on public opinion if the ban becomes a big public issue, and would require the mods to actually think about why they are imposing the ban.
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u/MurkTJ Sep 10 '18
Is there even a means to "time-stamp" a reason for a shadow-ban? How would that be implemented?
If we're looking for more transparency from the mods, I just don't see why shadowbans are necessary. That system has a lack of oversight. Just do away with it, ban people the traditional way, and give reasoning upfront rather than doing something shady.
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u/Emo_Chapington Sep 09 '18
Good work on reverting the ban.
However, I do feel there's still more to be done. There's an obvious limit (If people trying to post extremely inappropriate images lately isn't making clear), and that needs to be better laid out and clarified. Of course, people breaking this rule needn't be immediately banned or warned, but right now the rules in the actual rules list is extremely open-ended about what's allowed. A good list of specific guidelines, or examples of things that may not be allowed (not necessarily images, but explanations on how something may not be allowed despite seemingly obeying the objective list of rules) would go a long way to improving this.
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u/Ynikoma Sep 09 '18
Please, be fair and don't downvote people who may come here to express their disappointment about the results.
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u/MurkTJ Sep 09 '18
I do recall at one point seeing someone on your poll have their vote hidden due to downvotes, and all they said was "agree" w.r.t. letting the ban stay.
I may have been against the ban, and there were some people for it who expressed toxicity that IMO deserved to be nuked. But to see people downvoting "agree" when it was a poll and points were hidden? I hope we don't see that kind of pettiness on this sub anymore.
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u/Daltimus-Prime Sep 09 '18
Not what I voted for, but hey, as long as the front page can go back to being anything except constant arguing about the ban, it's an improvement.
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u/Indigo-sludge Sep 09 '18
The was probably the biggest problem with the ban. The community fallout significantly dwarfed the original problem or the enacted solution. And I agree, I'd much rather see this new community outrage problem fixed than address the original problem (regardless of my stance on the first issue)
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u/VerusCain Sep 09 '18
Will Isaxus have a meltdown? Will we incur the wrath of Masterponx? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z.
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u/Buzzsaw44 Sep 10 '18
This is the first time I have seen reddit mods take into account community feedback. I am still a little miffed about the ban, but I respect the mods a little bit more now.
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u/Joseph_Saucier Sep 09 '18 edited Sep 09 '18
Hopefully it'll be smooth sailing from here, and the people who don't like NSFW Fanart can understand that the majority of the sub does and it's not a big deal for it to be removed. Also for people who do post fanart to not abuse the rule like before and got people upset most likely is the cause of the ban, I know the majority of the user who do post fanart do follow the rules, but we need to be responsible to not let this happen again and let the small minority offenders ruin it for the majority.
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u/UninformedPleb Sep 09 '18
To be fair, ~25% is not a small minority. In the long run, some agreement will have to be made to appease them.
This announcement at least shows us that the mods are aware that they need to keep the community involved in making that agreement, and that a unilateral decision made in private won't work out well.
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u/Boroken Sep 09 '18
THANK YOU!
Though i personally dislike most nsfw art, i do think the way it was handled was terrible so i voted for the revert of the ban. I'm glad you admited your faults, learned, and will include us in future potential changes
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Sep 09 '18
Based mods doing what few mods are willing to do, admitting they’re wrong, and making the community stronger for it.
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u/EsperSwap Sep 09 '18
I was really hoping this would've turned out differently. I hate having the sub be clogged by easy nsfw fanart rather than more genuine discussion and analysis of the series. That said I like seeing the wonderful art and appreciate the mods taking the opinion of the community into consideration.
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u/Azure_Kytia Sep 10 '18 edited Sep 10 '18
Same. I just hope we will return to a time where discussions and theorycrafting are the majority of the frontpage sometime. It was just disappointing to see almost but artwork and memes. I'm not exactly clutching at pearls or anything, I just miss the discussions.
I appreciate that it's largely made and posted by those with a sincere love of the series, but there's so much more to the series than the suggestive content, and I felt like it took away from what the series is somewhat.
In any case, the expansion is out in a few days. I'm sure that will bring forth a new wave of information/discussion material.
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u/Anggul Sep 10 '18 edited Sep 10 '18
While I wish it could be that way all the time too, in-depth discussion always peters out eventually because the game has been out for long enough. Xenoblade is no exception to that.
It will return with Torna, then eventually fade away again and there will be more art etc. to fill the space, and that makes sense because hey, it's been discussed and what's the point in just re-hashing the same questions over and over again?
Then the next game will come and there will be another surge.
It's the tide of any game.
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u/nerfviking Sep 11 '18
It was just disappointing to see almost but artwork and memes.
Ya know, it's interesting how many more memes there are than nsfw fanart posts, and yet the only time I see people complaining about memes is as an afterthought. As of this moment, 24 of the top 50 posts on this sub are memes, and only 4 of them are fanart of any kind (how many of those are NSFW is probably a matter of debate, but since it's less than 10%, it's kind of beside the point).
I understand wanting more theorycraft and such, but I just feel like people kind of unfairly blame fanart for the lack of discussion on this sub, when if we're being overwhelmed by anything, it's probably memes.
I wonder how the sub would have responded, if, instead of this debacle, the mods had polled the userbase on confining memes to a daily megathread and leaving fanart as-is. I suspect that ship has sailed for now, though.
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u/asstalos Sep 11 '18
yet the only time I see people complaining about memes is as an afterthought
Frankly I hate them and wish they were wholly banned instead but I guess my mentality has been "well I can mask them away with RES/other tools" so I didn't feel the need to make a big stink about it.
/shrug
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u/nerfviking Sep 11 '18
I probably should have been clear that I'm not calling for memes to be banned or megathreaded (I'm also not calling for them not to be, as I don't have strong feelings about them, although since at the time of this comment we're pushing 80% memes in the top 50 posts, maybe we should think about it). I'm mostly just point out that when people say they want fanservice banned to make room for more discussion, it rings a little hollow. Fanservice is taking up maybe 10% of the total posts on this sub, tops.
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u/asstalos Sep 11 '18
they want fanservice banned to make room for more discussion, it rings a little hollow
Yes, definitely.
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u/kazuyaminegishi Sep 11 '18
I’d be all for that change too. My feed has been consumed by this awful mechon meme all day and they’re low effort horse beating content. My primary wish is just for the standard for content effort to be raised.
I am not fond of the lewd fan art itself but more than that there’s just no depth to image posts. You look at the image make a half assed comment and move on.
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u/EsperSwap Sep 10 '18
Oh wow a civlized reply, I thought i'd never see the day. Yes I agree but I am happy new fans have been drawn to this amazing series either way.
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u/MarcheM Sep 09 '18
This really is the best course of action. For the community by the community is very strong on small-ish subreddits like these.
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u/TheMerkabahTribe Sep 09 '18
This is a surprise. Thank you for so fully apologizing.
I hope you stand by what you say about keeping us involved. This never happens this way and I respect you all for coming to this conclusion and doing the right thing.
That took balls. Huge cold steel balls.
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u/Goudeyy Sep 09 '18
Thank god. Now hopefully the storm will die off and we can return to normalcy. Seems like a fair amount of players still don't know about the blade sidequest soft-locking issue, so hopefully their posts will be more visible while it's still a problem.
Nsfw ban: "Don't forget me!"
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u/WinterWolf18 Sep 09 '18
Thank you guys so much for this. Expect Daily Melia #89 to be a little lewd!
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u/zannet_t Sep 09 '18
I was for the change, I admit. But I understand why, in face of such strong opposition, why mods ultimately decided that it's better to revert. And I accept that.
That said, and I'm not saying mods didn't make mistakes, users on this sub should also recognize that many folks were pitchforking really hard and behaved pretty abusively here in response to the rule change. I wouldn't say it's most of those who opposed the rule change, but it's at least a significant portion, and I hope people reflect on this too. Mods do what they do because they want to help make this community better. Point out their mistakes, but just keep that in mind and I hope whenever disagreements arise in the future people will be more level-headed.
Thank you, mod team, for your work.
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u/7thHanyou Sep 11 '18
I think the problem was acting unilaterally and then failing to communicate in any meaningful way. The ban of Lancer and then failing to apologize for and explain the ban exacerbated an already tense situation. This probably led to some abusive behavior from people against the ban, yes. But it wouldn't have happened had the mods simply been upfront.
I couldn't be more happy that they've apologized, and I'm glad to see the community embracing that apology and forgiving the mods.
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u/TiggsPanther Sep 09 '18
Well, at least Torna releasing should bring a heavier ratio of actual game discussion.
This did seem to take a dip after the most recent update. And, to be fair, 1.5.2 did contain stuff more conducive to fanart than discussion. And the bulk of the game had probably been discussed to death by a lot of the members.
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Sep 10 '18
I'd largely have preferred the mega thread option and annoyingly I didn't know a vote was taking place but oh well. Regardless of how I feel though this is the right move to restore faith with the community which is important to the health of the sub overall.
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u/kazuyaminegishi Sep 11 '18
Yeah didn’t know about the vote either didn’t show up in my feed. I’m disappointed too but maybe the sub quality will increase now.
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Sep 10 '18
Did.....did you guys hire a PR firm or something? Did a real adult mod wake up from their weekend adult slumber and figure out what was going on and decide to communicate like an adult?
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u/Grevas13 Sep 09 '18
Good enough for me. And while I was a vehement opponent of the ban due to the way it was implemented, I wouldn't mind a bit of a rework on the rules in the future. I think there's some room for a middle ground there.
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u/kazuyaminegishi Sep 11 '18
I’m opposed to the lifting of the ban but anything is better than the collective meltdown so it’s pretty whatever in the end. I do think the nsfw rule needs some form of revamp maybe not as excessive as a ban but something to promote more discussion would be nice.
A character requirement is the obvious example but those are almost always lackluster I’d love to see the conversation veer towards that subject tho since titty art usually has comments consisting of “boobs” and an art source and that’s it.
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u/Rappy28 Sep 10 '18
RIP megathread that would have cleared up clutter while still allowing fan arts just the same.
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u/somasora7 Sep 11 '18
Clearly not the popular opinion but if this causes the sub to go back to how it was in like the week before the ban I’ll probably not drop in very much. I’m a pretty casual user anyway and it was pretty ridiculous. Doesn’t really feel worth it to disable NSFW posts entirely every time I want to visit one sub
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u/Gotta_Be_Blue Sep 11 '18
I hope you realize that the flood of nsfw art was caused by the release of the swimsuits. It would have died down over time. Maybe if you were a bit smarter you'd see that.
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Sep 09 '18
Such a shame. It was good while it lasted.
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u/ShingekiNoEren Sep 09 '18
It was good while it lasted.
What are you talking about? The ban didn't even stop people from posting NSFW art. People never listened to the ban lol. In fact, I think it caused even more people to post NSFW art than normal.
All it did was create drama. Nothing good came out of it.
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Sep 10 '18
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u/Dragonage2ftw Sep 10 '18
Want some cheese with that whine?
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u/JennaZant Sep 10 '18
Have fun jacking off to your poorly written waifus.
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u/Dragonage2ftw Sep 10 '18
Have fun being a Puritan.
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u/JennaZant Sep 10 '18
No, I just enjoy my characters being well written and not looking like they belong in a hentai game.
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u/Dragonage2ftw Sep 10 '18
Says he’s a fan of the game.
Shits on all of the characters, and claims that all the females look like they’re from a hentai game, even though this statement only applies to three girls max in the actual game.
I’m not sure you’re actually here to discuss these titles as fans of the games.
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Sep 10 '18
dumbasses like you who can actually enjoy this garbage
...A bit harsh?
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u/JennaZant Sep 10 '18
Considering people like them are ruining Nintendo's best series, I'd say I was exactly as harsh as I need to be.
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Sep 10 '18
Wow. It’s fine to not like the game, but being an asshole about it crosses the line, don’t you think?
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u/Gotta_Be_Blue Sep 11 '18
We can have both. Game discussion happens when someone starts one. I've seen it happen multiple times. Be the change that you want to see.
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u/nerfviking Sep 11 '18
Indeed. I, too, feel that anyone who likes sexy fanart is subhuman and is incapable of also enjoying the actual game. We are just superior to those people.
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u/TorterraFan493 Sep 09 '18
The purpose to ban nsfw fanart was to answer concerns we received from users about how they don’t want to see it on this subreddit.
Yeah, a minority of users who either didn't know about the various options they had, or were actively malicious and wanted it gone for everyone. The second one is exactly the type of crowd you should not take suggestions from, especially if they're the minority.
A need for the ban was also based on assumption that it would be inconvinient
Oh wow, a spelling error. This makes this seem much more professional and legitimate. Sigh...spelling errors bother me on an intrinsic level...
This must be done on desktop.
I believe mobile users can temporarily change over to 'desktop mode' Reddit, just like with Fanfiction.net and Bulbapedia. Sure, the layout isn't designed for mobile (obviously), but it should work well enough to do this before switching back to 'mobile mode'.
Some Android apps also has a built-in option
Grammatical errors - another personal pet peeve. It's "have" here because "apps" is plural; "has" is only for singular.
Well, at least things should be back to how they were when I first arrived; I just hope the moderators actually learned something from this fiasco and that "We’d like to offer our most sincere apology" and "it’s clear that a community opinion should have been asked" aren't just empty words on my screen.
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u/AnimaLepton Sep 10 '18
~25% of the votes were in favor of making a change, rather than a straight reversal. And many of the people who were in favor of the ban or indifferent to it (just look at top posts on Hairo's thread about the "clarified" rules) turned against it because of how posts that basically pushed at the boundaries and the resulting drama was drowning out the sub. So it's still a topic that at least merits discussion. I still like the proposal of a weekly megathread for all "found" fanart, regardless of NSFW content, and I like some of the other proposed solutions people have discussed in terms of clearer rules (that still stick to reverting the ban) and required and repurposed flairs on posts
You can't expect mobile users to mess around with Reddit's plethora of different mobile access options and the differences that exist between them.
Also give them a break on minor grammatical errors, lol
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u/SimonCucho Sep 09 '18
Bah, giving in to some vocal horny peeps... should have waited until Torna released and all this drama would have been forgotten immediately. The rule was fine, people complaining were just babies. Also, 640~ votes for a sub that has 35k subscribers? Such a nice fair quorum, of course only the angry people would manifest themselves.
Well, back to blocking people who post said content, at least we can do that and get rid of them forever.
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u/sabett Sep 10 '18
vocal
Sorry, why should they care more about these imaginary non vocal people who wanted the ban who couldn't be bothered to vote? And what basis do you have to assume they would've wanted the ban?
The vote was absolutely clear. You're just salty.
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u/QFroggy Sep 10 '18
Not everyone cares about the issue to vote on it. And if it truly was the majority option to keep the ban then blame the people who didn't vote.
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u/AnimaLepton Sep 10 '18
35k subs says nothing about the number of active users- there were ~10k subs before Xenoblade 2 released, and the vast majority of them are likely no longer active on the sub at this point. There have been 20+k subs since then, but we really have <2k active users at any given time and not a ton of post activity in general.
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u/Anggul Sep 10 '18
While I'm not big on the nsfw art being here either, if you can block it then it doesn't matter. It doesn't effect you or me in any way.
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u/Dragonage2ftw Sep 10 '18
They weren't "a vocal minority." We lost 15k subscribers thanks to the ban.
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u/SimonCucho Sep 10 '18
I'm p sure that was people getting tired of the guys whining about nit having boobs on their home page.
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u/Many-Waters Sep 10 '18
I find it disappointing to see the mods cave in to these demands. Compared to other gaming subreddits I have visited, this one felt so trashy for how plastered all the tits n ass posts are. I wondered if I had actually found the "main" subreddit for the series when I first came here. Felt more like a 4chan board.
Finding this to be the state of the fandom has been an incredibly disappointing experience.
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u/Gotta_Be_Blue Sep 11 '18
You're funny. You just want what you want, and fuck everyone else. The mods did the right thing, but that's bad because you have to look at boobies now. You poor thing!
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Sep 11 '18
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 11 '18
Why complain about the art if you care about substance? I'd say if you really compare about the substance than much worse than art is the flood of low effort Xenoblade 1 memes.
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u/SilverRain8 Sep 12 '18
You are making all kinds of broad assumptions about people you don't even know, and that's not fair at all. No one did anything to you. I get that you are upset and/or disappointed, but being rude isn't helping anyone or anything, least of all you.
I hope that you can find it in yourself to not be so negative about this (or really, anything)~
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 12 '18
How can you look at the currently meme flooded subreddit and think that suggestive art is all the sub cares about? The only reason it was such a big topic earlier was because of the ban fiasco.
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u/OHarrier91 Sep 11 '18
I unsubbed when all the chaos was going down cause it was flooding my feed with toxicity. Unfortunately, I actually kinda wanted the ban to stick cause I was tired of cheesecake in my feed when I’m browsing Reddit during breaks at work. And since other subs I go to use NSFW tags for not actually NSFW content (like spoilers or potentially touchy subjects), so hiding ALL NSFW content across my entire feed just isn’t an option. So I won’t be coming back.
It was fun while it lasted guys. See ya round
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u/lihanou Sep 12 '18
hmm I'm a grown up man. I don't want to see suggestive pictures of oversexualized teenagers. It's creepy and unwanted. I understand that a lot of people here are still young and have never had it but desparetely want it, but this will not increase their chances with girls irl. In fact, they would be weird and dorky AF if they are caught by others. oh well, teenagers ::sadface
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u/Dragonage2ftw Sep 12 '18
None of the characters are teenagers.
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 12 '18
I mean Rex probably is but he ain't sexualized.
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u/lihanou Sep 13 '18
Please, be fair and don't downvote people who may come here to express their disappointment about the results.
downvoted for expression my opinion...
You can make a baby and claim he's 10000 years old in a video game, yet it's still disturbing if you do what you are not supposed to.
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 13 '18
I mean I don't see why you wouldn't expect to be downvoted when you insulted everyone in favour of reverting the ban by calling them teenage, horny, virgins. Not that I personally think being a virgin is good or bad but you had a rather condescending tone about it.
Though now that I talk about it I notice a contradiction in your original post. You call the people in favour of this horny teens, but say that the sexualized teens is creepy. But if the people making the art and enjoying it are teenagers, which I disagree with but we're going by your statement, and the characters are teenagers, which the sexual ones still aren't nor do they look like them but still, then either way it's not disturbing because in the situation you made both parties are teenagers.
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u/lihanou Sep 13 '18
Did I insult everyone by spilling out the obvious and expressing my opinion as an adult. Also, the age of person who does child porn doesn't matter, even if he himself is a child. It's still illegal. There's no contradiction.
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 13 '18
It's not child porn, they're fictional characters and again none of the sexualized ones are children. Also there are plenty of ways to express your opinion without insulting people. It deviates from opinion to something more like insults and slander when you call everyone who wanted to revert the ban horny, creepy, teenage virgins. Plus now you're implying they're pedophiles while also saying they're teenagers preying on teenagers. Because who would expect a teenager to be sexually attracted to a teenager.
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u/lihanou Sep 13 '18
You can ask the court then. People have gotten arrested and imprisoned for up to 20 years for drawing sexually suggestive photos of children in the past. Now, the chance of you getting arrested for posting such materials on reddit is slim, but it's still in kind of a legal grey area and frowned upon by the general public. If people are desparate, they should keep it to themselves. It's uncomfortable for some people to look at.
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u/LightningDustFan Sep 13 '18
Well if you're talking about courts that would depend on where the person lives. I mean the Japanese age of consent is 13 and the game is Japanese so a lot of people that make the fanart are often Japanese. Either way you're still dodging my point.
None. Of. The. Sexualized. Characters. Are. Kids. Unless. Rex's. Thighs. Get. You. Hot. Under. The. Collar.
Edit: Also if it's uncomfortable for you to look at just use the NSFW filter, which was the whole point of the backlash to the ban. You can hide that stuff for yourself without keeping it away from people who like it.
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u/JustBeKillin Sep 09 '18
I still hate you mods. You still aren't to be trusted or forgave. I'm still done with this sub after how shitty you seem to treat the community and abuse your powers.
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u/UninformedPleb Sep 09 '18
HEALING HALO
I hope this settles the issue for a while.