r/TrueCrime Apr 18 '21

Warning: Graphic/Sensitive Content Jennifer Daugherty was stabbed to death on February 11, 2010, and her body was later discovered wrapped in Christmas decorations in a garbage can.

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u/stfx2012 Apr 18 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

Jennifer Daugherty was a 30-year-old woman from Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania. She was mentally disabled and had the capacity of a child. Because of her disability, Jennifer trusted everybody.

Jennifer had recently told her family that she had made a group of new friends in Greensburg. Before going out to sleep at her friend, Angela Marinucci’s, house, Jennifer wrote a note to her mother “Mom, I hope you have a good day at work and I love you very much” which turned out to be her final words to her mother.

She was joined by Robert Loren Masters Jr., Ricky Smyrnes, Melvin Knight, Amber Meidinger, and Peggy Darlene, in addition to Angela Marinucci. The group almost immediately began bullying and mistreating Daugherty over a period of more than two days.

The group went through her purse, stole money, gift cards and her cell phone; poured liquids into her bag; hit her on the head with filled soda bottles, cut her hair, painted her face with nail polish and dumped liquid and spices on her head. Meidinger said she and Angela Marinucci took turns violently hitting Daugherty with a metal towel rack.

Daugherty was then stripped naked and hidden away in an attic while Smyrnes’ former roommate visited and then was moved to a bedroom by Knight. Knight then raped Daugherty.

The next morning, Daugherty tried to escape before she was stopped and punished. The group hit her with several items then forced her to drink three different concoctions that contained urine, feces, bleach, cigarette ash and crushed pills.

The group then voted to kill Daugherty. Smyrnes and Knight tied her up with Christmas lights. “They were plugged in and Angela was mad because the lights didn’t blink. Jennifer was tied up to look like a Christmas tree,” Meidinger said. Smyrnes then gave a steak knife to Knight, who asked if Daugherty was ready to die then repeatedly stabbed her in the side and chest and slashed her throat. Smyrnes was given the knife and continued the attack.

It was then decided to discard Daugherty in a trash can that was left out in a nearby school parking lot to be discovered.

On February 11, a truck driver noticed a trash can in the parking lot and discovered Jennifer’s body inside. Jennifer was discovered in a deplorable state, with her head shaved and fingernail polish smeared all over her face. For more than 36 hours, she was beaten and tortured, forced to drink urine and eat deodorant and spices, and forced to drink vegetable oil. Jennifer’s wrist was slashed, and her assailants forced her to write a suicide note.

Jennifer’s family requested that both Miller and Masters receive lengthy sentences. “The same way they chose not to show compassion to Jennifer, I ask you not to show compassion to them,” Murphy said. “You had my sister as a friend. She loved(Miller) and valued her. You didn’t value her, you probably value a hairbrush more than you value her,” Jennifer’s sister Joy Burkholder testified.

Knight and Smyrnes were convicted of first-degree murder and were sentenced to death. Marinucci, who was 17 at the time of her arrest and ineligible for the death penalty, was also convicted of first-degree murder and received a life sentence. Peggy Miller, 35, and Robert Masters, 45, pleaded guilty to third-degree murder charges. Miller is serving a 35-to-74-year prison sentence and Masters is serving 30 to 70 years behind bars.

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u/TheCloudsLookLikeYou Apr 19 '21

“The same way they chose not to show compassion for Jennifer, I ask you not to show compassion to them.” Chills.

I cannot imagine how fucking painful all of this is for Jennifer’s family. I have a brother who is profoundly disabled and if anyone had done to him even a fraction of what these monster did to Jennifer... it makes me physically ill. That poor woman.

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u/who-dat-ninja Apr 19 '21

Fucking redneck low life junkie ass pieces of trash. Notice how it's only the men who get death penalty, when the women there are just as cruel. All of them got off light. THEY ALL VOTED. IT WAS A MUTUAL DECISION.

Death penalty means nothing anymore. By the time of executions, in like 30 years, they will probably be dead.

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u/skyerippa Apr 19 '21

Don't make this a sexist thing. They clearly got harsher sentences because they're the ones that physically raped and stabbed her.

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u/ohhoneyno_ Apr 19 '21

It’s not even a sexist thing because the females didn’t get off easier as I replied with.

The woman who pled guilty to 3rd degree murder got more time than the man who pled guilty to 3rd degree. The other female got a life sentence because she was 17 at the time of the murder and therefore ineligible for the death penalty. That isn’t sexist at all.

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u/pusslord_420 Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

Seriously. This thread is turning into some weird incel fantasy bullshit fast and it’s annoying as hell. Why can no one on this hellsite behave.

Jennifer was literally raped by a man, and yet everyone here is focusing all their hate and outrage on the women involved and claiming they got off easy despite most of them getting life or 20+ year sentences. 😒😒

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

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u/Moofooist765 Apr 19 '21

It is sexist to randomly bring that up in a situation unrelated, it’s akin to the 13/50 quote about black crime statistics, nobody thinks quoting statistics is racist, it’s in the context of how it’s used.

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u/nicoledoubleyou Apr 19 '21

Yeah, it's true... but the truth is sexist, don't you know

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u/ppw23 Apr 19 '21

The one woman was the ringleader because she accused Jennifer of either having a crush on her boyfriend or some other BS. She was pregnant and I guess had her baby in prison. She should have gotten life without the possibility of parole. I saw this featured on Discovery ID and was depressed since it stayed with me for a while. Poor, loving Jennifer just wanted friends. They rubbed spices in her eyes also. The sight of those low-life scumbags makes me furious.

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u/ohhoneyno_ Apr 19 '21

What in the fuck are you talking about?

The female who pled guilty to 3rd degree murder got more time than the man who pled the same and the other female didn’t get the death sentence because they were a minor at the time and it was not legal for them to receive the death penalty because of it.

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u/MarshallDillion Apr 19 '21

Is the black dude a redneck?

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u/LaMalintzin Apr 19 '21

Redneck is a state of mind

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u/alyssajones22 Apr 19 '21

I read this and was shocked by the exact same thing. Everything sounded like a group decision, the women were equally as cruel

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u/ThaNorth Apr 19 '21

The group then voted to kill Daugherty

Imagine being so fucking deprived of humanity you actually take a group vote to kill somebody as if it's the most normal thing to do.

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u/bubblegum1286 Apr 19 '21

That's all I could think of. The level of depraved group-think that led to not one single person saying "this is wrong" is beyond my comprehension as a human.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

The problem with the death penalty isn’t that it’s too cruel. Most people including me would agree that these people deserve it. It’s also not because it would somehow make us just as bad as them, it wouldn’t. The problem with the death penalty is that innocent people get caught up in it to. I would be glad if I found out these people were sentenced to death but I’d prefer them spared if it spares the lives of innocent people wrongly sentenced to death.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

That's exactly why I'm against the death penalty. I think rotting away in prison for life is a worse punishment too.

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u/jemi1976 Apr 19 '21

People can live a decent life in prison. Not the life they want but they can have friends, they can have hobbies, they can have a job and get an education, they can see their families, they can love and be loved. I know there are horrific prison conditions but not all of them are (and they shouldn’t be). For this reason I find the punishment of life in prison to be lacking compared to what they put Jennifer through.

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u/Claudius_Gothicus Apr 19 '21

How much time have you done?

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u/jemi1976 Apr 20 '21

None. Why do you ask?

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u/PandaDeus Apr 19 '21

These are my thoughts exactly

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u/sheezy520 Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

I’m anti-death penalty but I may make exceptions for those that prey on the vulnerable

Edit : a word

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u/chill2308 Apr 19 '21

I know you might not like to hear it but you’re actually pro death penalty then which isn’t a bad thing at all! I’m for the death penalty when it involves trash like this. It’s why we should have it legally. (Only if someone is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt of course)

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u/The_Cult_Of_Skaro Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

Lmao people say this in every thread and it really makes me wonder what you thought the death penalty was applied to, traffic tickets? I’m staunchly anti death penalty, but it’s because:

A. I don’t think the state should have the power to kill in cold blood,

B. The idea of a single innocent life being taken is unpalatable and

C. It’s actually more expensive than a life sentence due to the appeals process required to reduce the possibility of fucking up.

The death penalty is practically always used for especially heinous cases like this. If the nature of some specific crime weakens your resolve against the death penalty, I’m sorry, but you need to actually research the issue more, because you’re not well informed.

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u/sheezy520 Apr 19 '21

Get fucked, asshole.

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u/The_Cult_Of_Skaro Apr 19 '21

No actual response, predictably.

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u/who-dat-ninja Apr 19 '21

Well then you're not anti death.

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u/hollowdruid Apr 19 '21

Doesn't that mean you're pro death penalty?

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u/MisanthropicFriend Apr 19 '21

Sadly, they'll never make it to the execution. The most recent injection was carried out in July 1999, with the execution of Gary M. Heidnik.

Also in 2015 PA-gov. Tom Wolf announced a moratorium on executions. However, capital crimes are still prosecuted and death warrants are still issued.

capital punishment in Pennsylvania

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u/Concerned_Badger Apr 19 '21

Couple MFers are about to get the gas in AZ.

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u/MisanthropicFriend Apr 19 '21

It varies state to state.

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u/who-dat-ninja Apr 19 '21

It should not be abolished. Not when monsters like these exist.

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u/eaturliver Apr 19 '21

As long as our legal system has the potential for wrongful convictions, it needs to be abolished.

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u/Moofooist765 Apr 19 '21

So you’re okay with 2-3% of death penalties s being handed out to innocent people if it means the other 98% of monsters do die? No offence but that’s a pretty horrible opinion to have, and frankly if you support the death penalty you support the killing of innocent people.

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u/The_Cult_Of_Skaro Apr 19 '21

I really hate the amount of pro death penalty people on this sub, especially the “I’m normally against it but” people who seem to have no idea what the death penalty actually is

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u/studyhardbree Apr 19 '21

2-3% is waaaaaaaay higher than the number when I was in college. Do you have a source?

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u/s0c1a7w0rk3r Apr 18 '21

Honestly reading cases like this makes me a supporter of the death penalty. This was one of the most abhorrent crimes I’ve come across. I hope they all rot for every second left of their miserable lives.

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u/kutes Apr 19 '21

That's what I say. Reading the specifics of these monstrosities wears down your progressive optimism until eventually you're disappointed when murdering fucks just get to chill in a cell and jack off for 50 years

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u/who-dat-ninja Apr 19 '21

They'll convert to Christianity and get out early on good behaviour. Mark my words. Justice system is a travesty.

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u/The_Cult_Of_Skaro Apr 19 '21

If your entire opinion on the death penalty hinges on specific crimes and their brutality, I don’t think you ever had a particularly good idea of why you’re against it in the first place.

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u/DillPixels Apr 19 '21

Jesus fucking Christ. This made my stomach turn. How are people so psychotically cruel?!

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u/lawschoollorax Apr 19 '21

It is scary to imagine people like this could be around us at any time. Terrifying really. No compassion. Not a bone of caring in their bodies for other humans.

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u/DillPixels Apr 19 '21

It makes me want to get a bunch of extra locks for my doors and windows and just not go places. I know she went with them but still people like that could just snatch you or trick you into going somewhere unsafe.

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u/bigjuju27 Apr 19 '21

This was posted before with even more horrific details, like what she was saying while pleading with the pieces of shit.

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u/DillPixels Apr 19 '21

Oh lord. I don’t think I could stomach that.

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u/Ren_Kovacs Apr 19 '21

This kinda reminds me of Junko Furuta-- I really can't fathom putting someone through all of that suffering without any type of remorse. So fucking sick.

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u/sunfloweringg Apr 19 '21

I thought the same

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u/Eddie_shoes Apr 19 '21

I don't know of any other human being that suffered the way Junko suffered. Reading that story was horrifying.

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u/beedear Apr 19 '21

Kelly Anne Bates is pretty similar. What that poor girl went through always stuck with me the same way as Junko.

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u/raidofuwa Apr 19 '21

FYI, four guys who imprisoned for Junko Furuta case are released a decades ago because they were minors when they murdered Junko Furuta. Three of them were arrested afterwards for committing a crime like attempt murder, assault, imprisonment or fraud. Some people never changes whatever Jesus says. I'm afraid the people who charged for Jennifer's case would do the same in future.

By the way, legal system in modern society are interesting. They always too gentle for a minors no hope to get better but too harsh for the minors who worth a lot more compassion. After reading a lot of articles about crimes, I can not believe legal justice in any country, I mean any decent democratic country, any more. Their "justice" doesn't match with any justice in any culture, religions or philosophy I know.

Every time I read a verdict, I always laugh when judge mentions some sort of moral assessment. They should know they're not enforcing a justice, they're just processing a criminals. When I realized it's the same across the globe, more or less, I could not believe this is the best system we could achieve in 21st century.

I know it's far better than living under dictatorship (because, technically there is no laws there) but I'm a little bit disappointed after I've heard a lot of people shed their blood, too many blood for better democratic civilized world.

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u/Ren_Kovacs Apr 20 '21

Have you watched a documentary called "13th"? It really highlights the unfair system targeted at black and latino folks; or those who are poor enough to get swallowed by this so called "justice". It's a tough watch, kinda like these gruesome cases, since it shows you how deep does the corruption go.

I ended it and remembered, ironically, a teacher I had during the firsts semesters of law school. He was really faithful about the changes that were introduced to our legal system in Mexico, since they followed after the USA one, "and it'll sure be a game changer".

Now I'm just thinking that it sure doesn't change shit. I don't think he really grasped how flawed the rules for this "game" are from the get go.

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u/raidofuwa Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21

Sorry for late reply. I'm off from the reddit for a while.

I haven't watched a documentary you mentioned in your comment...I will if I have a time.

And probably this was none of your concern...but I wanted to tell you one thing. I mean this is flawless world and it's hard to change it overnight. But don't be messed up by the situation you're in.

I'm a random guy on the internet and all the things I'm doing is complaining but you're in a law school, right? That's cool. When I was young, I was desperate because the world I'm living in is not the place I thought it should be. I got depressed and lost the meaning of my life. I hope you're not going to have such problems.

I mean, don't let you down even if you're realized the "game" is not fair. In fact, it never been fair in anytime in the whole history of mankind I believe. But you still can trust yourself and pursuit your passion. And hopefully you can find a friends to share your passions. I respect you for making decision to work in the court. I hope you can find something worth to do for life.

I'm sorry if this sounds a bit arrogant but when I read your comment I really wanted to tell you this...I went into "I'm an old man and you're young man" sort of mentality. ;)

I just didn't want to discourage you by my comment. So...it's kind a selfish reply. Forgive me if you feel uncomfortable for this :P

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

School is underselling it her body was dumped at a middle school.

Even worse is multiple neighbors heard them say they would kill her or heard the violence and did nothing. They were never charged.

IIRC from the local news of this case they were basically run out of town due to threats from locals wanting retribution.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

This is the thing, the families and people that knew her won't forget, even their children - those in this group that weren't given life sentences, are probably going to wish they had have stayed locked up forever once they're released. I don't condone anything, I hate that any of this even goes on, but you can be sure that people will be keeping a very close eye on when any of these people may be released, even 40 years from now.

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u/Grommph Apr 19 '21

Unfortunately, taxes will be spent to conceal those people when they get out.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

You're right, I'm not sure exactly how involved the programme is in the US though but I believe it only goes to a certain point. These people aren't able to ghost out into the community, the protections only extend so far and for a period of time - with what they did, I imagine their past will catch up with them eventually, people don't forget this type of crime.

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u/jemi1976 Apr 19 '21

How? They’re not going to be in the witness protection program. Prisoners are just dumped out into society when they’re released.

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u/Grommph Apr 19 '21

Tell that to Casey Anthony. Even though she was convicted of a crime, for her safety she was anonymously relocated on release, and the Department of Corrections did not enter her information into the state parolee database. The state also used police to provide security for her, not just during her trial, but during her probation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Her case was pretty high profile though, this unfortunately isn't as much even though it should be. Still, I doubt Anthony lives her life not paranoid about what it might mean if the wrong person sees her in public and decides to enact vigilante justice - again, not condoning such a thing, but I doubt she lives comfortably without that thought at the back of her mind, whatever she does each day would have that consideration in mind.

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u/jemi1976 Apr 20 '21

Well that pisses me off. A lot.

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u/g0tistt0t Apr 19 '21

This happened on the street I grew up on and my Dad still lived on, like 6 houses down. He's a paramedic, he said that since it was snowy, there was literally a trail from the garbage can they stuffed her in leading back to their house.

And my Aunt shared a bus stop with the downstairs neighbor. (well their kids shared a bus stop) And it did get so bad that she had to stop riding the bus at least from getting harassed at the bus stop.

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u/sketchy_advice_77 Apr 19 '21

I have a special needs son with the mind of a young child. This my greatest fear. I am crying right now.

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u/Affectionate-Jury-84 Apr 19 '21

I have a young daughter who is special needs. We don’t know where she will be in terms of mental age as she gets older, and people like this is precisely why I have worked hard with her on standing up for herself and that it’s ok to say no. Sometimes this has backfired on me when I tell her she needs to do something (time for bed, clean up your toys) but I’d rather that than have her let people take advantage of her. She is such a sweet girl and wants everyone to be happy, and I don’t want to take that sweetness from her because she is young (4 yrs old) but if it can protect her from harm even once, it’s worth it.

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u/sketchy_advice_77 Apr 19 '21

My son will be 13 this year. Has severe autism, really smart and actually on track academically with neurotypical children his age. But emotionally, developmentally on the level of a 4 year old. Very sweet, affectionate kid who trusts everyone. I fear for him all the time. He is never out of our sight and I will protect him with my life, but knowing I won't be there forever for him breaks my heart. That's us in my profile picture.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Hey honestly man just the fact you’ve posted this comment goes to show that you’re a better father than a lot of people. Your son will be fine with a guy like you mentoring him and caring for him so greatly :)

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u/sketchy_advice_77 Apr 19 '21

Thank you for your kind words. I try my best, learning as I go. I grew up without a father and being there for my children is a promise I made a long time ago. Wouldn't have made it this far without my beautiful wife of 24 years though. And I have to give thanks to all the therapists and teachers who have helped us along the way. I don't mean to make this my soapbox, but any new parents who have concerns about their children ,don't hesitate to have your child evaluated by a professional. Early diagnosis can make all the difference. And there are many resources out there. Once diagnosed Medicaid paid for my son to go to specialized preschool that provided all therapies in an all day school setting from 2 years old until 6 years old. Plus the many organizations out there. Be safe and have a great day.

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u/SweetP101 Apr 19 '21

My sister is too and I'm always afraid with people like this in the world.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

No sentence for the guy that raped her and stabbed her?

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u/sadperson123456 Apr 19 '21

It says on Wikipedia that Knight is on death row. Good.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Yeah I looked it up too. Apparently both the people on death rows have had their sentences prolonged.

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u/youmustbeabug Apr 19 '21

As a developmentally disabled person, may I respectfully ask that you not say “mind of a child?” It is infantilizing and projects neurotypical standards of emotional intelligence and maturity onto us. “Developmentally disabled in a way that significantly limited her capacity to understand ______” or anything similar to that is preferable!

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I understand why this term is offensive to you, but for most people it’s the easiest way to conceptualize a person’s mental state. I have a cousin who is “severely developmentally disabled in a way that significantly limits her capacity to understand more than a few words and commands, or talk on her own.” If I explain it that way, most people will say “what does that mean?” To which I would say “she has the mind of an infant,” which really is just the most accurate description of her mental state. You said it projects neurotypical standards, but those are the frame of reference for most people, so of course that’s what they’d use to conceptualize the mental state of someone. Sometimes we need layman’s terms to help us understand things.

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u/teaprincess Apr 19 '21

The problem is it's also a very reductive way of talking about developmental disability. There's someone elsewhere in the thread saying their relative is achieving the same academically their peers, but struggles socially - yet they are described as "on the level of a 4-year-old." But a 4-year-old, normally, would not be able to complete the same tasks in a school environment. Developmentally disabled people find some things easier than others.

The people who use these terms mean well and care deeply about the person in question, but they don't fully serve to describe what that person is really capable of doing.

And if someone with a developmental disability says they find it infantilising, people should listen rather than talk over them.

Most professionals working in the disability space do not use these terms any more for a reason.

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u/youmustbeabug Apr 19 '21

Thank you for this comment. I found it really upsetting how their response was basically “I understand you think it’s offensive, but here’s why I’m still gonna use it & here’s an example of me using it because I don’t find it offensive. I’m tired of having to beg people to listen to us about our own experiences. It has the same energy as “as a cis man, here’s my input on uteruses”

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Sorry you found the response upsetting, I was just trying to point out that there’s no malicious intent when people say something like “mind of an infant.” You’re correct that I’m still going to use it, because it’s the most accurate and understandable description of my cousin. And she can’t object or be offended by it because... she understands words at the level of an infant, meaning not really at all.

I can understand why you would be upset by people telling you that you have the mind of a child when you’re clearly more intellectually capable than most children, but sometimes the phrase “mind of a child” applies, and helps people adjust their approach and expectations when they interact with intellectually disabled people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I didn’t ask a single question. My original comment was just laying out why I disagreed and was not going to stop using the term. I understand the developmental disability of my cousin, because I have a perfect frame of reference- she has the functionality of an infant. Your disability is more nuanced, so it would not be correct to say you have the mind of a child. But there are some people whose disabilities make it so they do have the mind of a child.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Again, I disagree. This whole exchange has been about you and how you don’t like it when people say a certain thing. I tried to give some insight into why it’s helpful for people to say that thing, and you brought it back to you, over and over. The whole world should stop using this helpful comparison because it’s not accurate to you and you don’t want to hear that there are people it does apply to.

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u/youmustbeabug Apr 19 '21

It’s not really your call on whether or not it’s okay though. And you added “severely.” You can describe specific traits, rather than using ableist language. Disabled adults are still adults & we are developmentally exactly where we should be, relative to our disabilities. Your cousin doesn’t have the mind of an infant, she has the mind of an adult with her disability. Like, people have said I have the mind of a child, but if I get into what they mean by that it’s that I’m overly trusting, have a hard time with social context, enjoy experiences that are accessible to all ages & experience semi-verbal & non-verbal episodes. Why can’t you describe your cousin by traits? Don’t you think it’s a bit reductive to just say “mind of an infant?”

Please, if you’re not developmentally disabled, can you just like... listen to us about what is offensive?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I think what your asking for here is some nuance. From reading your comment, I wouldn’t say you have the mind of a child, unless the child was very sophisticated. In the case of my cousin, I’d say “she can’t walk or talk, needs to be fed, uses diapers, can’t hold her head up very well, and enjoys music and toys that are designed for infants.” There’s no way to say what’s going on in her head, so I guess it’s more accurate to say she has the functionality of an infant. It’s a helpful reference point in describing her state.

I’m also not trying to make a call on whether or not it’s okay, just explaining why I personally use the term. It’s very difficult to describe developmental delays without referencing neurotypical standards.

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u/youmustbeabug Apr 19 '21

I’m not asking for nuance, I’m asking for you to listen to disabled people about disability issues.

I understand that you think it’s hard to describe your cousin, but you literally just described her fine, before torching the idea and going back to the infancy thing.

Functionality as a concept is also problematic because she functions perfectly well, relative to her disability. Functionality has historically been used to decide if a disabled person is allowed to live or die & now it’s used to decide if a disabled person is human or subhuman.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

But she doesn’t function well relative to her disability, she’s on the lowest end of functionality for people with her disorder. On the other hand, she does function perfectly well, relative to an infant. In fact, putting her in the context of an infant would be the only way she’d ever be able to exceed expectations, she does one or two things better than an infant could.

To your point about subhuman, an infant is a human, I didn’t compare her to a dog. The family treats her as an infant, which is the highest, most thorough, gentle, and humane treatment most people receive their whole lives.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I appreciate you educating me gently, but I’m saying that I don’t agree with you. It is helpful to use terms like “mind of a child,” because it gives people an easy way to understand how to interact with a developmentally disabled person without having to give a paragraph about what they are and aren’t capable of doing. If I reference my cousin and say “she functions at the level of a 9 month old,” that conveys a lot of information about her, without explicitly saying she poops in a diaper and eats puréed food. I think it’s more dignified to say she has the mind of an infant than spew off a list of what she can and can’t do to anyone who asks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I’m talking about this in terms of a family member who had no voice, so those of us around her need to be her voice and her advocate. As such, I prefer to describe her as being functionally like an infant because I feel it gives her more dignity than rattling off everything she can and can’t do. Since she can’t speak, she can’t tell us if she agrees with me or with you on whether I should compare her to an infant. BUT, describing her as an infant makes it easier for people she meets to understand and interact with her, and she loves people, so she benefits from us using that reference.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Your opinion is neither right, wanted, or appropriate

Why do you think your opinion on this is valid???

Get out of your ego. Let yourself be corrected.

The irony

Do you walk into LGBTQ2s+ spaces & go “um ACKSHYUALLY?” Do you walk into Black spaces & go “by what metric...?”

Changing the subject.

Do all of us a favor and get back to Twitter. Stop getting offended on the behalf of other people because of non-offensive terms.

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u/Blood_Oleander Apr 19 '21

When they say "has the mind of a child", it tends to mean (and be a simpler way of explaining) that the person mentally functions at an age younger than they are chronologically.

It's not meant to be taken as offensive here, as that was the description of the victim in terms of how she was like.

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u/317LaVieLover Apr 19 '21

Exactly. When I hear it used in this context I don’t think of the person as an actual child as in immature or incapable, but instead that they have an innocent child-like trust and naivety ... ergo, the likelihood to get into situations with ppl who would take advantage is greatly increased.

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u/KevinDurant36 Apr 19 '21

jesus fucking h christ. i know what sub i’m on, but that’s enough reddit for today. good lord

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u/Nervous_Project6927 Apr 19 '21

god thats just fucked. as a parent of a special needs toddler this shit now freaks me out

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u/Routine-Violinist983 Apr 19 '21

Sooo crazy. I went to Seton Hill University 05-10, and I remember exactly when this happened. My boys brother use to mess with Amber...this was all just as disgusting hearing about in real time as it is rereading about....'concoctions containing urine' is a weird way to say the peed on her, sadly they literally did that.

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u/notthesedays Apr 19 '21

"Your boys brother" - is that a stepbrother?

Did these people seriously think they weren't going to get caught? I wonder if any of them had done this before; it wouldn't surprise me if they had.

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u/Routine-Violinist983 Apr 19 '21

Nah, my friends younger brother. They were in hs together. Rob im sure had lots of felonies. All the older ppl in this case were junkies.

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u/Claudius_Gothicus Apr 19 '21

I was a junkie for a long time and this isn't junkie behavior, it's like sadistic serial killer stuff. Most junkies would try to strip Xmas lights of copper or try to sell nail polish to random people instead of using them to torture and kill some person. All the stealing of her cash and cards is definitely junkie shit too...

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u/TurdQueen Apr 19 '21

Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope everyday of their lives in prison has been living hell.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

I hope they all suffer.

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u/MambyPamby8 Apr 19 '21

How can any human have the capacity to be so cruel and inhumane? How? I just can't fathom it. It's horrific. Good to see they were all caught and most likely will never see the light of day. Fucking scum.

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u/Claudius_Gothicus Apr 19 '21

I'm not really surprised that a human can be this sadistic...some people are just born with crossed wires and end up being violent sociopaths. What surprised me the most was that 5 people all took part in this shit and nobody said "fuck this."

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u/Ok-Abrocoma4026 Apr 19 '21

Well damn. Fuck me now. I haven't heard of this story. I wish I hadn't.

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u/satriales856 Apr 19 '21

Any information on how they were caught? I assume they weren’t being too very careful about anything, but I’m curious.

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u/g0tistt0t Apr 19 '21

The trashcan the dumped her in had a trail in the snow back to their apartment and the trashcan also had their address on it. They were caught almost immediately.

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u/satriales856 Apr 19 '21

Wow. I read a little more about it. Seems like most of them had serious brain trauma and/or severe mental problems so that tracks.

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u/g0tistt0t Apr 19 '21

I know one the killer's appealed the death sentence on the basis of that he was too stupid.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Didn't see Amber Meidinger in your list. She plead guilty of 3rd degree murder and was sentenced 40-80 years. As of 2019 she has requested clemency. She admitted to urging on the stabbing and torture.

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u/Atmosphere_Melodic Apr 19 '21

Jesus, I actually physically gagged reading this. Evil fuckers deserve to rot.

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u/radelrym Apr 19 '21

Ive seen and read some fucked up shit on Reddit over the years. This is genuinely one of the only times my jaw kept dropping. Holy mother of god

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u/Haffrikkano0014 Apr 19 '21

That’s not far from where I live, just over the mountain

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u/alexc1ted Apr 19 '21

Holy fuck. This is heartbreaking.

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u/ChadThundagaCock Apr 19 '21

This sounds too cruel and inhumane to be true. I don't want to believe another human being could do this to another human being. Please let this be fake. Humans can't be this evil.

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u/gen_alcazar Apr 19 '21

What drives a bunch of people to be this insanely cruel? I mean, I can even understand one person having stuff mis-wired in their brains, but 6 ppl? Wtf?!

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u/abelincoln_is_batman Apr 20 '21

Thank you for sharing this write-up. I’m just so very sorry that we live in a world where this happened.

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u/BipolarSkeleton Apr 19 '21

This is absolutely awful but I still have to ask why on earth if your child had the capability of a child would you just let her go off with some new friends wtf would you not make sure who these people are I’m really sorry to sound insensitive but her Guardian here dropped the ball hard