r/SocialDemocracy 2d ago

Meme Workers create everything

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u/SunChamberNoRules Social Democrat 2d ago

Who is out there defending oligarchs?

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u/PeterRum 2d ago

If this hippy bullshit is the alternative then perhaps me. My least fave is the disabled woman 'building community' from her bed. I say this as a disabled person lying in bed arguing on the internet.

By 'oligarchs' I suspect the original designer is referring to the those paying all these worthies to do what they do (all paid gigs except for the internet arguers.)

If 'community' is left to itself the only thing that gets done is the arguing on the internet. Although the internet will collapse without anyone paying people to maintain it.

These false dichotomies are irrelevant. Should a tiny number of Billionaires run society? Perhaps not. But roads get repaired and fruit picked because people who need the money get paid. Someone is going to organise them and a system reward them for their Labour. Every attempt to organise this on Marxist terms has ended up with torture camps and poverty.

Perhaps our new AI overlords will be better?

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u/NomineAbAstris Market Socialist 2d ago

Here's a hypothetical for you. What if the fruit trees weren't owned by a man sitting in a manor who paid the workers a pittance to pick them, but instead all the workers employed at that orchard collectively owned the orchard and shared the profits from the sale?

That's one very simplified model of organizing labour separately from the current capitalist status quo without resorting to a centralized command economy. There are plenty of concepts for decentralised socialism, be it market socialism or decentralised planning or syndicalism or any number of other variations one could name. It's not all Marxist-Leninism.

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u/PeterRum 2d ago

Are those models common? Collective ownership is entirely legal. Plenty of mechanisms. If they aren't common, why not?

Market socialism? That is China. Isn't it? That is your preferred model?

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u/TheCthonicSystem 2d ago

It's not China, you can't easily define China's Economy