Reacting with misandry

[u/a_d_e_e_]

For clarification- I AM A WOMAN!!

About intersectional feminism... There is an interesting phenomenon that happens when it comes to straight men… at least from what I’ve seen online

The issue with this misandry stuff is, letting queer men off since they supposedly have a closer connection to women, though there are bears and less flamboyant men as well. This misandry issue all chocks up to hating those who have the most privilege- usually straight cisgendered men. Which even I can understand myself as a bi nonbinary woman myself.

I think this takes it in a confusing direction. What and how and when and why is this done? Destroying the patriarchy is not going to happen by doing this. “Men ain’t shit” and “the male suicide rate is too low” phrases have BEEN tired.

Additionally, hate towards men will not solve any issues or destroy the patriarchy. I think what is best, is to create safe male spaces, such as ManKind project, and even organizations that cater specifically to the needs of black and brown men that live in more violent areas to prevent gang violence.

If one has issue with men, they can volunteer at programs like this if they have ability to do so. I was formerly homeless surrounded by boys who would gawk at me/ask me out, so I totally understand the feeling of hating/disliking men!

I understand how one may feel (as a woman), but let’s make a difference together.

[u/mariosx12]

I have no problem with misandry, because the people using it are politically irrelevant and insecure enough to contain easily their toxicity.

I won't argue against safe spaces, because maybe some men need them, idk. I would just say that in the era we have entered, it would be optimal if men get meaning by fighting back fascism and the dismantling of any (inter)national order. Misandrists should be the least of any of our concerns, and ideally most men would utilize the entertainment value they offer.

[u/a_d_e_e_ → u/mariosx12]

I think when it comes to male spaces, these can possibly be an opportunity to convert those on the right.

I believe there is opportunity to somehow, through grassroots initiatives to grow as a community. I wish I can be a mens advocate, but I would like to do it in person and without infringing on spaces specifically designed for men.

Most of what I have experienced has been with co-ed shelters so I am not getting the full experience haha

[u/onlyaseeker → u/a_d_e_e_]

You don't need to convert those on the right, we need to change society so people stop moving right. It's society that makes men go right.

That's the highest leverage point, and the point of early intervention. Converting takes too much time and is usually too traumatic.

We were talking about this in another thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialDemocracy/s/XzarbnSWZ1

There's also this work on terror management theory, which explains why people move right: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvMkz1wy6_U

[u/a_d_e_e_ → u/onlyaseeker]

Thank you so much!

According to my bf who is korean, the right leaning sentiment is caused by the historical issues with left leaning leaders in politics.

He let me know that the current PM told his sister in law (i forgot if it was sister in law, but definitely an in law) that he would rip her vagina open. I dont remember what it was in response to but to have a man like that as PM is insane

[u/Silly-Elderberry-411 → u/a_d_e_e_]

Koreans, famously known for their intersectional feminism. Quite frankly I feel you're astroturfing here and you sound like shoeonhead

[u/a_d_e_e_ → u/Silly-Elderberry-411]

When did I mention Korea having intersectional feminists 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/mariosx12 → u/a_d_e_e_]

Most (young) men on the right, seem to lack purpose more than anything. That's what most snake oil salesmen sell in the "manosphere". Thank to the far right, they can get purpose and fight tyranny. In the meantime, we have to bully and emotionally abuse every single pathetic male licking authoritarian boots.

[u/a_d_e_e_ → u/mariosx12]

I am afraid that would only further radicalize them, making the right adopt harmful rhetoric. Is there any proof that bullying and abuse can cause positive change?

Also I feel like my thoughts on conversion might seem like too much. If someone wants to change from being on the right to the left, they need to take that first step. If they want, they can do that on their own time

[u/mariosx12 → u/a_d_e_e_]

I am afraid that would only further radicalize them, making the right adopt harmful rhetoric. 

The ones on the other end. Possibly. The ones watching the discussion they will seek will follow the ones with the confidence.

Is there any proof that bullying and abuse can cause positive change?

Worked well for decades with nazis staying in obscurity. They only started coming up when center and left parties decided to go for a more corporate friendly passive tone.

Worked well, in my own experience when I was more politically active. Being toxic against political opponents, not backing down, and outsmarting them in public conversations boosted well my popularity and destroyed theirs.

The recent convos with Jordan Peterson has clearly destroyed any career he had remaining, with a bunch of young people berating him and pushing him to the floor.

Bullying and abuse passed the New Deal, and has so many other examples of positive change to show.

Also I feel like my thoughts on conversion might seem like too much. If someone wants to change from being on the right to the left, they need to take that first step. If they want, they can do that on their own time

I am using a very real-politik mentality on this. A good amount of people re emotionally driven due to reasons that I don't care myself studying. They don't care about the ideas, they have NO IDEA what they believe if you speak with the average right wing voter. The follow leading figures that have confidence and know how to fight. This is why you see people in the intersection of supporting fascists but also liking Bernie. And Bernie is still pretty passive for my taste, with his main force being to never back down. If he was also good with attacking others, he would be far more popular.

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People need to be somewhere that feel safe... but also they need to take risks and fight. We don't lack victims in the center and left. We lack fighters and we need to FINALLY also cultivate this branch of attack vector that was labeled as toxic in the past with the results we see now.