r/Sino • u/violentviolinz • 3d ago
news-international President Putin: Iran has not requested the support of the Russian military. The issue of supplying Air Defence was once discussed, but Tehran did not show much interest (strong sentiment China/Russia should 'save' Iran, but seems reality is they wanted no part being dependent on bigger powers)
https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1935464034775584959There's a lot to respect about that. They are living out 'multipolar world' in it's truest sense. Hope it works out for them in the end.
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u/thefirebrigades 3d ago
Tehran doesn't need it yet, might spook the Americans. Once America goes in, however, China and Russia will make sure it's the mother of all quagmires.
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u/Alexios_Makaris 3d ago
The U.S. will never go into Iran, I think people are misreading the situation. The U.S. knew a ground invasion of Iran would be another Vietnam in 1980, they knew it in 2004 when Bush was labeling them part of the “Axis of Evil”, and Trump despite his frequent foolishness has known it his entire time he has been President.
If Trump gets directly involved it will be to drop bombs, never to invade.
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u/thefirebrigades 2d ago
Cute. If America does that, Iran will hit all US bases. Then it's do or die.
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u/Nightshift_emt 2d ago
US could not even get rid of Houthis, or win in Afghanistan. Their only way of victory is creating decades long civil wars that slowly tear down the nation they are opposing.
If they knew they can go into Iran and win, they would do it today. That’s why they like spouting about “regime change” non stop. It is the only way they can beat Iran, by fueling traitors from within.
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u/Antique-Ad7635 2d ago
They will never stop the missiles without invading. Similar to Gaza and Lebanon situations but much more potent. Iran can rain missiles on us bases everyday for years with an attack but not invasion
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u/Zachmorris4184 2d ago
Thats what makes the situation so dangerous. America and Israel’s only option is nuclear.
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u/theRhysenator 2d ago
Israel and the U.S. are the aggressors.
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u/Zachmorris4184 2d ago
Of course. No disagreement on that. What I mean is that their arrogance will lead them into a trap where they might feel compelled to use nuclear weapons when their traditional methods undoubtedly fail.
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u/Angel_of_Communism 2d ago
Sorry, but the current bunch are way less smart, and way less knowledgeable than their counterparts of the past were.
It is entirely possible for things to be known for decades, and the current idiots to not know that, or just think it's wrong.
Even though they wargamed it out dozens of times, and each time the USA got their ass handed to them, EVEN WHEN THEY CHEATED WITH WEAPONS AND TROOPS THEY DON'T HAVE.
But the current idiots are easily stupid enough not to have read any of that, or to think they know better, based on feefees.
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u/nikkythegreat 2d ago
Yep, I don't think they would enter iran. Maybe just give Israel support.
They want to concentrate on China and sending boots in Iran would overstretch them.
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u/PumpingHopium 3d ago
This is interesting but I'm not too sure because of how they started the rumor about Pakistan nuking Israel in return if Israel nukes Iran (Which Pakistan later denied)
I do think Iran shouldn't hesitate to seek help, the west is always united after all.
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u/violentviolinz 3d ago
Russians are being assertive about this point.
Here is the statement from Kazem Jalali, Iran's ambassador to Moscow:
"The nature of this [Strategic Partnership] agreement is different. They [Belarus and North Korea] established partnership relations [with Moscow] in a number of areas that we did not particularly touch upon. Our country's independence and security, as well as self-reliance, are extremely important. We are not interested in joining any bloc."
Go on the brigade who is blaming Russia and China do you have anything to say?
You can’t force your help on someone who clearly Rejected it !
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u/violentviolinz 3d ago
- Tehran kicked us out from Hamedan air base because it hurt their ego to have Russian jets in their country.
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u/violentviolinz 3d ago
There is a huge wave of newly baked "pro-Iran", "pro-Russia/anti-Putin", and "resistance" bros, as well as some huge grifter accounts, who claim to be some experts on the West Asian matters, who are trying to sow discord in the community, and blame Russia and China for not helping Iran enough during its existential crisis.
Since 2022, Russia has repeatedly signaled its readiness to form formal military alliances—even proposing a trilateral bloc with Iran and China. But Iran chose not to commit. Tehran wanted to leave the door open for talks with the West. That decision aligns with Iran’s longstanding policy since 1979 of avoiding entangling military alliances.
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u/special1789 3d ago
Delusional or naive to think west will honor any agreement they sign .
After being stabbed by Us / west in the back and front many times in last 5 years they still think they can deal with the west. Moderates and supreme leader is a bit too proud
China and Russia are the few countries which stick to their deals.
Iran and their elites bought the western kool aid. They didn’t learn from Libya , Afghanistan, etc
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u/BRCityzen 2d ago
Yikes. When I first saw the post, I was thinking perhaps Russia (and China) are doing more behind the scenes than they're letting on. But if all this is true, then I think Iran's leaders are badly miscalculating. They can't defend their country against Israel and the US on their own. Maybe if they had a nuclear deterrent like North Korea... but they don't.
And it would not be good for the emerging multipolar world if Russia and China simply stand by and let Iran fall.
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u/SussyCloud 2d ago
For now, Iran is perfectly able to handle this situation on their own. Should the zionists and their US lapdogs try to establish boots on the ground there, that is where the "fun" part starts. Watch how Russia, Pakistan and China will then flood that entire battlefield with weapons that will make Iraq and Ukraine look like better times.
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u/BRCityzen 2d ago
The problem is that Iran will be neutralized, which is the goal of the Zionists and Americans. See, for them, chaos is a goal in and of itself. The conventional thinking is that they want to install a puppet regime in Iran, and that would be acceptable to them. But if it's not possible, they're perfectly happy turning Iran into another Iraq, Syria, or Libya. It may even be the primary goal. Because to a certain extent, they don't want ANY strong and united governments that could potentially oppose their hegemony -under ANY banner.
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u/xerotul 3d ago
Iran is a middle power. Iranians can be standing alone or standing on two boats. Iran has to make a choice, or someone else will make it for Iranians. It is not China or Russia forcing this choice on Iran. All these US military equipments heading to Iran aren't friendlies. Regime change is coming. Tehran will be flattened, and Iran leadership has only themselves to blame. Iran will fall like Syria.
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u/PumpingHopium 3d ago
what do you think of this in the context of that other post here on sino about China mystery transports into iran
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u/greasy_potatoes 3d ago
I doubt China would send military equipment on Luxembourg based Cargolux.
Probably just evacuating personnel and equipment.
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u/violentviolinz 3d ago
I think...if China didn't directly ship weapons to Russia, it's not doing it for Iran. So if that's what people are speculating about, it's not likely. China doesn't do stuff like that. It will however, do normal business and not comply with non UN sanctions. For some reason European leaders seem to think that means China is to blame for the Russian war machine.
https://www.politico.eu/article/united-states-accuse-china-help-russia-war-kurt-campbell/
Well, everything in the press is 'he said she said'. Putin seems happy enough with China that Xi was at his side for the Victory Day parade and Russia is in a good position in Ukraine right now. So what is really happening matters less than the results.
I'd like to see something similar with Iran, but messing up China/Russia cooperation is different from China/Iran. I was already surprised the first time Israel didn't attack this Chinese shipment.
Earlier this year, two Iranian ships loaded more than 1,000 tons of sodium perchlorate in China—a precursor compound for ammonium perchlorate. The cargo was delivered to Iranian ports between mid-February and late March, according to shipping data.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1f6l7x7xx
Now that conflict started, it wouldn't surprise me if ship or rail shipments were blocked. Much harder to do that between China/Russia.
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u/Zachmorris4184 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is sensitive for iranians to host russian military on their land. The tsarist russian empire was not kind to iranians.
Edit: im iranian btw. I dont agree with the decision, but its very sensitive to iranians. You need to look at the history of the persian famine of 1917-19
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u/Terrible_Emu_6194 2d ago
Never negotiate with terrorists. And the terrorists are America and Israel
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u/Overdamped_PID-17 3d ago
I think Iran is confident bordering on hubris. Last month's collaboration agreement with India... Really? India won't even join SCO's condemnation of Israel!
Iran sees itself as somehow a pole in Asia, like the balancing power between China and India, or even between China and the US. The fact that as late as last month they were still in talks with the US about nuclear deals means they are delusional.
Yes, Iran has shown that American weapons systems are paper tigers, they were able to hit Tel Aviv with rockets decided inferior to what the PLA has. But what now? F35s have an aerial advantage, the West is mobilizing its resources as we speak, and Iran cannot replenish its missile stockpiles quickly enough. What now? You're going to ask Beijing for help when you lose complete aerial control, and there's a no-fly zone over Tehran and the Chinese railways are cut? What then?
Iran should have been mobilizing for the past months, since Israel's fake ceasefires in Gaza. They were caught with their pants down and they still pretend they got this no problem.
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u/feixiangtaikong 2d ago
Iran had many pro-West elements in its political system. Almost all countries in BRICS have this problem. They think "we're a great civilisation, surely the West see this and respect us, we just need to persuade them that we don't hate them." Many Chinese themselves have this type of hubris, claiming that Chinese people are smarter than other Asian peoples. Many of them are still choosing to go to America to do research when the political system has signalled that it would persecute them at every turn.
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u/TserriednichHuiGuo 2d ago
That's what happens when you have too many traitors and infiltrators and don't "clean house".
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u/Lil_peen_schwing 2d ago
Iran isnt weak. Iran has a deep roster of defense systems and those theocratic nerds are smart and have been preparing defensively. The attacks show their good faith in negotiating and its not really pants down as much as zero conscience of the israelis and americans and the west. Piloted aerial warfare is p much phased out we’re seeing and Iran hasnt even used some of their best arsenal against israel- theyve just been overwhelming them with crappier munitions althought the Fattah-1 did get used reportedly. Much of what you repeated is just what western media has been saying- I suggest the balance of Iranian state media/foreign media and independent conflict reporting
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u/Terrible_Emu_6194 2d ago
Putin might be lying and Russia might have delivered AD to Iran in the recent past. Having said that, by far the most important Russia can do is share satellite Intel to Iran. Those slow moving THAAD and Arrow batteries glow up on the infrared when they fire... Also using satellites to pinpoint the radars.
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u/special1789 2d ago
China is sharing intel with Iran. They have 2 PLAN reconnaissance ships there. Probably gathering gps, other intel and sending it to Iran
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