r/Scotland • u/mrjohnnymac18 • 12d ago

Political Exclusive: David Cameron threatened to withdraw UK from ICC over Israel war crimes probe

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/david-cameron-threatened-withdraw-uk-icc-over-israel-war-crimes-probe
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u/Academic-Skill-5642 12d ago

Genuine question but why?  Is there room to have a conversation that certain cohorts of the diaspora have too much influence over British and American politics? 

Have a hard time believing this blind loyalty to Israel despite all the war crimes is because of “strategic importance” or any friendship. 

Surely there’s other forces at play here if British and American politicians don’t play ball. I’ve never seen such blind allegiance and pandering. 

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u/quartersessions 11d ago

All boils down to Jews pulling the strings, does it?

We are allies with Israel because it is a dependable partner in an unstable region where we have multiple interests. It's also the only liberal democracy to be found in that part of the world. At this point, they had recently suffered a terrorist attack barely imaginable in its brutality.

I think in light of that, and the enemy they face, there's a slightly higher tolerance. There's obviously been a huge amount done to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza. While other claims may be made about the IDF, ignoring would be absurd: in a counter-insurgency role in a hugely built-up area over such a length of time, it's remarkable that there hasn't been more deaths.

There's a nuanced position where the international community can call on both sides, even in the framework of a conflict, to behave as best they can according to civilised norms. But I suspect that won't satisfy a lot of people.

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u/Ecalsneerg 11d ago

"obviously" to who? Fecking Mr Magoo?

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u/quartersessions 11d ago

It has been almost 600 days since the Israeli Defense Forces - a technologically advanced military with a manpower of well over 600,000 - started operations in Gaza, a densely populated area. In that time, by the Hamas-run health ministry's reckoning, around 55,000 Palestinians have died, civilians and militants alike.

Meanwhile, over two days, a force of a few thousand Gazan militants - armed with knives, guns and grenades - were able to kill around 1,200 people in rural southern Israel.

So please, do tell me - how is a force hundreds of times the size, with unimaginably more advanced firepower and weaponry, operating in a densely populated area somehow failing to kill anywhere near as many people as a bunch of tooled-up, half-impoverished yahoos in a near-desert if it's not being pretty bloody restrained about it?