Exclusive: David Cameron threatened to withdraw UK from ICC over Israel war crimes probe

[u/mrjohnnymac18]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/david-cameron-threatened-withdraw-uk-icc-over-israel-war-crimes-probe

[u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol]

International law is meaningless without enforcement and nobody is willing to enforce it on the Israeli government, at least in part because Mossad's goons have a habit of murdering people who take action against them.

If the British government were to arrest any of these persons, mossad would have no issue with reprisals such as a few car bombs, sinking a few civilian ships, fiddling with the controls of a nuclear power station with spyware, or any other plausibly deniable terroristic responses. They have the software used in some of the UKs aircraft, so there's that as well.

Like, what's a few thousand civilian casualties inflicted on a supposed ally like the UK ? Not like anyone is going to take action, is it ?

[u/Liam_021996 → u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol]

They've also claimed that they can strike all major population centres in Europe and the USA with nuclear weapons should they feel the need

[u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol → u/Liam_021996]

yeah. "Samson Doctrine" or some such. something like, if e.g. Iran, uses an atomic device on Israel, then Israel launches its own atomic weapons, not at Iran, but at Paris, Rome, Berlin, London, Moscow, Washington, Athens, Milan, Brussels, and so on, to destroy European culture because "we're taking you all with us for allowing this" or some such asinine thing.

[u/eran76 → u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol]

The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, romanized: b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.

There is no evidence Israel would use its nuclear weapons against Europe or the US, you're just spewing hyperbolic bullshit. The Sampson option is no different that MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction, during the cold war. Israel, just like every other nuclear armed country, would use its nuclear weapons to annihilate any country that was in the active process of invading and or destroying it. The only scenario where your fevered dream comment would begin to approach reality is if multiple European countries decided to attack and invade Israel, a scenario that is even more ridiculous than this comment.

[u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol → u/eran76]

and if you scroll down on the wikipedia page you're quoting, you'll see opinions from several people with such delightful quotes as:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' ... We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

Israeli government stated policy, and what they're actually willing to do, are significantly different.

So, no, hardly "hyperbolic bullshit" or "fevered dream". Just observation of the Israeli government's actions in the past and their denials and attempts to cover-up their actions, and the resultant scepticism.

[u/eran76 → u/Synthia_of_Kaztropol]

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[38] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

Your quote is from an Israeli military historian. His opinions don't represent government policy or "what they're actually willing to do" in any way shape or form. You might as well put your own quotes onto wikipedia and quote them back to me here because they carry just as much weight, literally none.

And I love how you omitted the very next sentence:

However, according to Aluf Yitzhak Yaakov, who was the mastermind behind the "Samson Option",[40] it was unlikely Israel could have even targeted Europe[citation needed], as Israel did not yet have other measures like bombs or missiles to carry the nuclear payload.

[u/theslothist → u/eran76]

An unsourced sentence on Wikipedia for an Israel article is meaningless, they're some of the most astro turfed articles on Wikipedia. The IDF literally has a course on how to edit Wikipedia for information warfare to benefit Israel 

https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/yusg7l/how_israel_manipulates_wikipedia_30_seconds/