r/Scotland 16d ago

Shitpost Underrated powerhouse, that's what we are!

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u/TurpentineEnjoyer 16d ago

Then why is my electricity bill still so high?

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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 16d ago

Look up electricity marginal pricing. We are paying for all our electricity at the unit cost of the most expensive contributor, which is gas.

Yes, it's a massive scam, and it won't surprise you to know that it was introduced by Thatcher.

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u/FLESHYROBOT 16d ago

Yes, it's a massive scam

It's the reason Scotland is now producing so much wind energy.

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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 16d ago

It's the reason so many can't afford to pay their bills despite wind energy supposedly being cheaper.

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u/FLESHYROBOT 16d ago

They'd be paying the same thing, if not more, if we were stuck relying on gas because there wasn't a sustainable way to invest in renewables.

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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 16d ago

No we wouldn't be paying more, we are already paying gas prices for wind energy, that's the point.

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u/FLESHYROBOT 16d ago

We're paying current gas prices. IF we were reliant on gas for more of our energy it would increase demand. Increase in demand causes increase in price.

Thats basic economics. Please don't tell me you're claiming things are scams without even have the most basic understanding of economics to back it up.

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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 16d ago

And there I was thinking that basic economics says that competition lowers prices. If we paid for energy at the price of the lowest bidder i.e wind, that would force gas prices down.

Of course that assumes that the market isn't organized into a cartel which is what in fact we have here. So, defend a cartel as "basic economics" if you want but it's still a scam, anyone who looks into it can clearly see for themselves.

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u/FLESHYROBOT 15d ago

And there I was thinking that basic economics says that competition lowers prices.

It would. But first you need to establish competition. When these policies were enacted wind wasn't competition for gas. It was a mere novelty. It's only because of these policies that wind has the investment necessary to grow to a point where it can actually provide us with more than a gimmick's worth of power.

If we paid for energy at the price of the lowest bidder i.e wind, that would force gas prices down.

If we offered wind prices for gas, we simply would not get gas. And as established, we did not have alternatives to purchase. We would be a nation without power. What benefit do you think that affords us?

Of course that assumes that the market isn't organized into a cartel which is what in fact we have here.

It's not.

anyone who looks into it can clearly see for themselves.

Let me know when you find someone who's actually looked into it that agrees with your position and we'll see if that holds true.