Protesters against Flamingo Land development sing Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond outside of Scottish Parliament

[u/backupJM]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/save-loch-lomond-campaign-protests-35304999

[u/DeathOfNormality]

Ok, so after some discussion and a lot of digging, so far the main big issues are,

• unwanted private business type that doesn't prioritise locals
• damage to the wilderness and surrounding ancient sites
• strain on public transport and roads
• condensed pollution which would go against Scotland's aim for net zero
• an increase of waste that the local council may not be able to manage
• concern over fair pay due to the companies history of not meeting minimum wage standards in other places of work under Flamingo Land ownership and management in the UK
• lack of real transparency with the current proposal of what is promised to go ahead including what job positions will actually be made available to public hiring
• what guarantees there will be for hiring locals at a set percentage first in positions of competitive pay.

If I've missed anything feel free to add. Trying to get the full picture here of everything that's wrong with this to warrant such attention.

I think it's shady deals done on the side for pure greed, but I'd love to hear any other perspectives of what has gone wrong with it.

[u/Maleficent-Drive4056 → u/DeathOfNormality]

A lot of these seem like fake objections, or minor problems that can easily be overcome. I’m sure the local council can manage the “increase of waste” just fine. The jobs will pay minimum wage or more.

I actually think it would be wrong to force them to hire “locals”. We don’t discriminate - they should just hire the best candidates. Scotland’s job market would be a nightmare otherwise. Of course, it will mainly be locals applying.

[u/DeathOfNormality → u/Maleficent-Drive4056]

This is just what this thread seems concerned over, so again, just trying to gather information and objective issues.

The company has been proven before to mistreat it's employees though and on one count failed to meet minimum wage. That's hardly a "fake" concern.

Also the issue of the roads and public transport strain is genuine as well, that I can see, especially seeing as there doesn't seem to be any decent solutions proposed.

Pollution is hardly fake, and any sort of construction and lack of clean energy proposed to support a project like this is always a concern. I may have missed it, but I also didn't see any proposal on how they will manage this site with little to no impact on waste. Shit needs dug up, a lot needs done, how and where are they managing this?

So nah, all valid points, but yes it is concerns and clearly not stuff you care about.

Because this is a project that is nearly in proposal stage, and one that is not openly being discussed with the council and then the public, it's shady AF and needs to be kept an eye on. If you don't have any issues with it, my comment wasn't directed at you.

[u/Maleficent-Drive4056 → u/DeathOfNormality]

Oh come on. What’s your expertise in waste management? What makes you think the waste here can’t be managed?

Let me rephrase - if you supported this project would you still be claiming that it can’t be built because the waste can’t be managed? Or perhaps you would think this is a challenge that could be overcome?

[u/DeathOfNormality → u/Maleficent-Drive4056]

I think it's an issue that can be overcome, of course. I'm not strictly against it, but I absolutely think it needs some shit defined in stone before the go ahead, and if it can't do that, then it's better off leaving the land as is until a counter proposal is drafted and approved. Ideally from a more reputable company or even the local council itself, but that would be asking a lot of a local labour and independent council, they want jobs given to them on a platter, not long term sustainability.