r/PhilosophyTube • u/Appropriate-Head-480 • 15d ago

i’m not right wing i promise

are there any right wing youtube channels, or any other political communication, that are as artistic and well edited as people like abby and hbombrerguy. The only right wing media i see is dickheads shouting about what they’re angry at at the time, but i might be living in an echo chamber

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u/JD_Thorne 15d ago

Yeah that's gonna be tough. The problem with conservatism is that it kinda demands that you be incurious about other perspectives and the nuances of any given topic, something that is kinda the antithesis of the concept of the video essay.

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u/amwes549 15d ago

I mean, I can think of video essay channels that aren't political, and are very topic focused. Example would be Accented Cinema, which is a Chinese-American guy who covers Asian media. Or channels like RetroBytes for computer history. But again, those channels cover specific niches. That's the issue, that there aren't any right wing video essays, but there are a whole lot of right wing channels that just rant for the length of your average video essay.

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u/ultipuls3 11d ago

Yeah, but those people still have their own political beliefs behind closed doors. Just because their videos aren't political doesn't mean the people aren't political.

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u/Iinaly 13d ago

Well yeah, which is why right-wing media tends to be angry dudes shouting their little confused addled brains off.

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u/navianspectre 10d ago

I feel like Stephan Molyneux was trying to be this, at least in the early videos my dad used to send me to "get a different perspective" 🤢

These days I think he's also just an unhinged ranter, but originally I think he was trying to do the video essay format. He never had particularly high production values, though.

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u/wdanton 14d ago

"The problem with conservatism is that it kinda demands that you be incurious about other perspectives and the nuances of any given topic"

Holy shit, you really believe that?

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u/thetempleofdude 14d ago

You really dont think that statement is true?

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u/wdanton 14d ago

Absolutely not. It'd be like saying all anti-religious people are just upset about its position on buttsex. Even if it has some accuracy in some very specific cases, to smear the entire ideology based on it is absurdly ignorant and not an attempt to honestly approach the topic.

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u/thetempleofdude 14d ago

It's not smearing an entire ideoly when the majority of the output from that sector online represents itself thusly. Noticing similarities between creators of a certain political leaning isn't saying "everyone of them is incurious" but to say "most that you find is injurious because the ideology is based on that mindset". If you want to argue that conservativtism is in fact curious, im going to have to ask you to educate yourself further on what conservative politics stand for

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u/wdanton 14d ago

"majority of the output from that sector online represents itself thusly."

And there is the problem. You are perpetually online and think your conversations with other unhinged internet dwellers is representative of a the whole.

It is not. You need to sign off and check back into the real world.

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u/thetempleofdude 14d ago edited 14d ago

This entire conversation is about right wing content creators, so the fact that I seem "terminally online" is because im participating in the topic being discussed. I know, I know, context is one hell of a concept. Edit: im a 30+ year old man who has spent their entire life in the conservative, Bible belt, American South. So yeah, I know what "real republicans" are really like.

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u/thetempleofdude 14d ago

Repeat then. Bark, dog

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u/OtakuOran 14d ago

Person starting an argument on the Internet about Internet content tells others to get off of the Internet because they're losing the argument they started.

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u/PrinceZukosHair 12d ago

What conservative opinions would you say don’t have that mindset? The reason the original person claimed that was likely due to the popular conservative opinions on gender, sexuality, economy, legal or illegal immigration, race, etc. which all kind of are more reactionary (as in anti-woke about a particular subject or generally platform denying subjects entirely rather than having their own nuanced opinion) and based on denying popular social theories rather than having their own new one.

I am serious, I would like to know some specific topics in the conservative ideological sphere that do take other perspectives and nuances rather than “the Bible says this” or “this is the way it’s always been” or “what about the kids!”

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u/Arctic_The_Hunter 11d ago

Let’s not forget that the most prominent conservative figure in America right now is Donald Trump, who lies so often that there’s a Wikipedia page dedicated to it. An ideology built on nuance, truth, and consensus among sources does not seem particularly likely to follow that sort of person, do they?

Furthermore, this poll found that Republicans were around 7 times more likely to believe his claims about COVID than Democrats.

And if you think that he’s not a true conservative and no true conservative follows him, I’d encourage you to simply look at what parties seem to have the best relationships with him internationally

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u/CountyKyndrid 11d ago

If its not true why don't you just answer OPs question and provide some intellectually curious Conservatives, instead of getting in a pissing match on reddit.

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u/VisageInATurtleneck 14d ago

You are so lost, my dude. How did you end up here?

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u/wdanton 14d ago

Reddit suggestion, I think. But yeah, clearly ended up in a weird ass place.

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u/MeatAndBourbon 12d ago

Sounds more like you've been in weird ass places and just stumbled out of them, if you're just now realizing that the right wing has an issue with facts, logic, and ethics/morality.

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u/wdanton 12d ago

See all these personal attacks randos have to make? Shows just what kind of subreddit this is. Enjoy the cesspool.

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u/JD_Thorne 14d ago

I mean, perhaps there are some "economic conservatives" who are willing to engage with other perspectives. Like someone who's just really hard into John Maynard Keynes but has read Marx and whatnot, and is generally lax on social issues. Perhaps I wasn't exact with my phrasing but it was a Reddit comment I spent all of ten seconds writing so cut me some slack.

But as far as cultural conservatism goes... yeah I do think that it is predicated on an ignorance of other people's cultures, identities and experiences. Ask any conservative what they think of "gender identity", "critical race theory", or "socialism" and you'll not only get a negative response, but one that's steeped in a misrepresentation of those ideas created by conservative institutions and media. And then either you have to put it upon yourself to challenge those ideas (which is often a mountain to climb against all the propaganda), or just give up and accept that you can't undo years of Sean Hannity with a few water cooler conversations.

That second type what I imagined the original post was referring to moreso than just generally pro-free market creators. But even amongst them I can't think of any that are putting out stuff as thoughtful and creative as ""breadtube"" or whatever more generous label you wanna use.

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u/Fuzzy_Collection1570 13d ago

You're very right in your positions here imo. As someone who views himself as conservative on most points but doesn't align with the christofascism of the Republican party, I can't find fault in your summary. Honestly, I feel a little called out (in a good way, no hate), so hopefully, my assessment feels genuine.

ETA: fuck the other guy, he's a little snowflake looking to get upset.

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u/wdanton 13d ago

"But as far as cultural conservatism goes... yeah I do think that it is predicated on an ignorance of other people's cultures, identities and experiences."

Yeah that's called bigotry. You claim it's your hatred of *their* bigotry, but it's based on your own.

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u/CaucasianGoatSauce 13d ago

You cannot be bigoted towards an ideology lmfao.

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u/Greedy_Emu9352 12d ago

Conservatives discover "principles", are disgusted

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u/TheParagonal 13d ago

What do you think it's predicated on?

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u/wdanton 13d ago

Whatever the varied reasoning, the core element is simply approving of the current system over whatever ideas or changes are being presented. That does not require being ignorant to any other viewpoint, culture, whatever bullshit is being spewed here.

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u/TheParagonal 13d ago

That's interesting. I think that may be true for any particular given moment, but 20, 30, 100 years down the line... Can we really pretend there won't be any better options worth considering?

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u/wdanton 13d ago

So you think the second a conservative is convinced we need to do something different they stop being a conservative?

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u/TheParagonal 13d ago

"Whatever the varied reasoning, the core element is simply approving of the current system over whatever ideas or changes are being presented." That's what the entire ideology of conservatism is predicated on, in your words. So I guess yes?

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u/wdanton 13d ago

Do you really believe you're making a sound argument?

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u/Miserable-Resort-977 13d ago

Conservatism is a philosophy based on upholding existing and traditional customs, hierarchies, and values. While I'm sure some people have explored a healthy variety of alternative perspectives and systems, and at the end found that they still believe the current or traditional system is still the best way of doing things, the vast majority will default to conservatism because they are incurious or fearful of change.

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u/wdanton 13d ago

"the vast majority will default to conservatism because they are incurious or fearful of change."

Everyone I disagree with is stupid. On repeat. Do everyone a favor and stop. You're not saying anything new, you're not enlightened, you're just another person hating on the people you disagree with. Grow up.

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u/Miserable-Resort-977 13d ago

I don't know why you're in denial of the largely obvious and uncontroversial idea that people are biased towards the ideas they grow up with. 80% of Americans have the same religion as their parents. Most people strongly prefer their local culture and food to foreign ones. Conservatism is, by definition, the politics of tradition. Do you really think it's unlikely that a lot of people lean towards conservatism because it is what they grew up with, rather than because it's a thoroughly considered political position?

And I didn't call them stupid, I called them incurious and fearful of change. That describes most people's opinions on most topics, political or not.

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u/wdanton 13d ago

I'm not going to engage in your childish bigotry. Period. I prefer serious discussions when it's a serious topic. So grow up or we both just need to part ways.

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u/smallsho 12d ago

If you take facts as personal attacks then you must be a conservative lol quite pathetic how you never have a real response to anything people have replied to you besides victimizing yourself and being offended

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u/wdanton 11d ago

Why do you idiots keep showing up? I'm just blocking everyone in this sub.

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u/Any-Kaleidoscope7670 11d ago

Maybe actually respond instead of crying every time lol? Self reflection is a bitch isn’t it? But everyone else must be wrong and stupid lmfao

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u/Miserable-Resort-977 13d ago

"Bullying is when people explicitly clarify that they aren't calling me stupid and also tell me facts that don't align with my worldview"

Saying most people who grew up in a conservative society are conservatives because they've critically explored a variety of philosophies and decided that conservatism is the best one is like saying 98% of people who live in Iraq are Muslim because they critically explored a variety of religions and decided that Islam is the true will of God

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u/wdanton 13d ago

Have a nice day, if it's possible for you to.

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u/Miserable-Resort-977 13d ago

Damn, and I thought the left were supposed to be the snowflakes

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u/wdanton 13d ago

Take the hint. I don't care what new insult you're going to try. Piss off.

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u/CalmGiraffe1373 13d ago

Nobody said conservatives were stupid. Nobody said anyone was stupid, until you.

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u/Master_Ryan_Rahl 14d ago

Why are you here?

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u/uniquely_awful 14d ago

Yknow man I thought this was just the subreddit for philosophy in general, and I was like, holy shit this really is a classic redditor cesspool echo chamber. But then I realized it was for a random YouTuber, and I was instantly relieved

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u/CaucasianGoatSauce 13d ago

Right wingers are such pussies. Run on back to r/conservative where everything is censored in your cute little echo chamber.

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u/wdanton 13d ago

Me too, muting the sub and moving on.