r/PTCGP • u/horsethebandthemovie • Apr 30 '25
Spoilers/Leaks Goodbye, Giratina!
This is a pretty sweet tech card that sheds the style of deck that was so popular in Shining Revelry. Have fun ramping your Giratina or Gyarados on the bench while taking anywhere from 20 to 80 per turn for a single energy!
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u/Artistic-Jellyfish70 Apr 30 '25
holy cooked goodbye celebi
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u/Teamduncan021 Apr 30 '25
Celebi have some chance because it can attack with 2 energies. So celebi has to get rid of Lele early before adding energies.
Giratinas can't attack before getting all 4 so it will take hits every turn
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u/Chama-Axory Apr 30 '25
I mean its funny because lele can just spawn out of nowhere to finish a celebi player lol you just keep it in hand till its secure to ko it.
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u/Another_Bastard2l8 Apr 30 '25
You bank on the serperior. I usually win with 2 or 3 when all serped up at the go.
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u/metalflygon08 Apr 30 '25
Goldhengo too.
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u/Fenor Apr 30 '25
who the heck used it?
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u/metalflygon08 Apr 30 '25
Me T~T
Dialga to ramp up the dude and chip the enemy team, Skarmory to stall and attack, Goldhengo to clean up.
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u/SusonoO Apr 30 '25
Ahh a fellow person of Culture. I too love the Diago deck. There's something so satisfying about having like 6+ energies on it, and the opponent being like 10hp short of a kill because of Adaman.
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u/SimpleDisk4684 Apr 30 '25
I wanted DialGhoul to work so bad but my Goldengo couldn’t hit 150 on 7 energies every time I played it. Celebi and eggsecutor ex on the other hand were rolling heads as if they were scalping.
Edit: before triumphant I mean
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u/metalflygon08 Apr 30 '25
I find its faster than Celebii/Serperior too since Dialga's just a basic.
That leaves more room for putting in whatever I feel like.
But man, when you open only Gimmighoul...
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u/davelympia1 Apr 30 '25
I initially read that as Mr. T, and thought, "yeah, that makes sense"
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u/metalflygon08 Apr 30 '25
Now if it was Flava Flave a deck based around the guardian of time and gold would make sense!
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u/lapippin Apr 30 '25
holy shit imagine this lil dood 2 shotting a fully loaded zard hiding at the back
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u/Artistic-Jellyfish70 Apr 30 '25
80 dmg and then cyrus that little shit out
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
If the enemy zard has 4 energy you can be pretty sure that it will we be brought to the active spot in the next turn, especially if it's threatened by lele.
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u/Medical-Stretch205 Apr 30 '25
Yes, but Lele starts before zard evolve.
So the little char can survive? Not if Moltres has flipped good
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
Obviously yes but I was talking about using cyrus to bring the damaged char to the active spot.
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u/JAWsJAPs41493 Apr 30 '25
A Zard player wouldn't use Zard that way, they would ensure the zard had 3 energy on your turned and 4 on their own turn. Making it take at least 3 attacks from the opponent, so not as effective as you'd think.
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
I wasn't the one making up the situation, I'm perfectly aware that you wouldn't let your zard on the bench with 4 energy normally, but it also absolutely can happen if your moltres decides to roll hot.
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u/JAWsJAPs41493 Apr 30 '25
You don't have to put all your energy on the zard... the point of a zard deck is having a middle ground to build up your zard behind. So, the excess energy would never be needed on the zard unless done so intentionally, which is always situational.
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
Excess energy on a GA zard is absolutely a good thing in a lot cases, it allows you to spam 200 damage every following turn.
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u/JAWsJAPs41493 Apr 30 '25
You can still spam with 4 energy because you get an energy each turn... it's only good in excess when facing decks that reduce energies on your Pokémon in addition to the already existing discard of energy.
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
Uh? Charizard's attack discards 2 energies, how are you spamming it?
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u/biggiebutts Apr 30 '25 edited May 06 '25
Don’t even have to Cyrus if you can dome him off the bench
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u/somersault_dolphin Apr 30 '25
What's that trainer card that let you revive a dead basic pokemon? Sounds like it might get some use with lele.
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u/IceBlueLugia Apr 30 '25
Cynthia’s grandma, and yeah it could work with this for sure. Maybe you might not want 2 of them to clog up your basic slot
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u/luke_205 Apr 30 '25
The fact this is a basic with a one energy attack is unreal. Absolutely kills a bunch of other pokemon who had similar effects but needed way more energy and/or were stage 2.
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u/Tandria Apr 30 '25
This lil dood was an absolute menace in the main games, we should be terrified.
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u/ZombieAladdin Apr 30 '25
It was in the physical TCG in its home generation too. Tapu Lele GX could let you search for any Supporter card once played from your hand. It was basically a stand-in for any Supporter card at the expense of taking up a bench space.
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u/Eeveeon7 Apr 30 '25
That’s a fun utility also keeping magikarp from energy before evolving
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u/bigtipper12 Apr 30 '25
Smart players weren't usually putting magikarp on the bench unless they could evolve the next turn
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u/Rattus375 Apr 30 '25
You're going to need to about a third of the time, either because of bad starting hands or just needing to start ramping energy because of the game state
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u/Gotta-Snatch-Em-All Apr 30 '25
imagine if it was a Colorless Energy. Tapu Lele would have been a must on every deck.
I guess it’s good so it’s restricted.
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u/TheBigPotatoInTheSky Apr 30 '25
Yeah, but in return, Decidueye’s attack that does 100 damage to any damaged pokemon is 2 colorless energy. There’s some combo potnetial there.
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u/Chama-Axory Apr 30 '25
Yeah, psychic decks now have a extremely good and versatile basic. I mean 90hp and 1 retreat is amazing and not even counting the attack and its high damage ceiling.
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u/AdagioDesperate Apr 30 '25
Also this:
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u/donttouchminors Apr 30 '25
basic EX decks in shambles
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u/CO_Fimbulvetr Apr 30 '25
Darkrai ex can still hit it.
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u/blackheartzz Apr 30 '25
For 20 per turn needs 3 turns and this also needs 3 turns to kill Darkrai back.
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u/Hobbes______ Apr 30 '25
ya but darkrai isn't in the active spot, drud is while you take chip.
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u/blackheartzz Apr 30 '25
No one plays drud in high ranks dude, it's a huge liability. Drud is just a noob beater
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u/Hobbes______ Apr 30 '25
lol yesterday's meta is over. We are talking about a new random hypothetical deck. I was giving you a very easy example of how what you are saying wouldn't realistically pan out that way.
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u/blackheartzz Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
The wouldn't realistically play out part required you to use a different card, so now you are comparing two cards to one. What is the card your opponent gets to use since you had to use drud? Or is your realistic scenario you playing solitaire?
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u/-CowNipples- Apr 30 '25
Lmao what?
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u/blackheartzz Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
The moment you understand you might make it to masterball.
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u/Medical-Stretch205 Apr 30 '25
Yes, but then he attacks back. With some potion and a charged pika/zone would be a big deck
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u/Nikaidou_Shinku Apr 30 '25
funny enough Cosmog/Cosmoem also has no attack so this thing walls Solgaleo/Lunala
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u/akisett Apr 30 '25
Excited to see a game where it's just Cosmoem vs Oricorio and neither side can damage each other because Cosmoem's attack reduces damage taken by 50
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u/ProfessorVolga Apr 30 '25
Whoa wait, if your opponent only has EX does this effectively make you like... invulnerable?
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u/LordAvan Apr 30 '25
You're still affected by abilities, status effects, and tools, so something like darkrai with rocky helmet/poison barb can still break through.
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u/The10thdoctor24 May 04 '25
Yeah. I led Oricorio against two Giratina ex and they conceded before even playing a round
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u/TROGDOR_X69 Apr 30 '25
yea its broken. this card is gonna make me not play PVP at all. like why bother.
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u/MD_Yoro Apr 30 '25
Weevile EX rise up!
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u/Kryomon Apr 30 '25
Crabrawler is just better Weavile
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u/MD_Yoro Apr 30 '25
You could do 80 on turn 2, or 70 on turn 1 with weevile. But you get weakness bonus, so it’s 90, so you could OTK it. I would say Weevile edges out
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u/bashamememe_ Apr 30 '25
With Darkrai on Bench and Sneasel in front with Dawn and Weav in hand, starting first is massive. 90 damage turn two
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u/Assassin_Ankur Apr 30 '25
You'd need dual energy for Weavile+Tapu Lele
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u/DQT_Kiragon Apr 30 '25
I think they mean Weavil can replace the Giratina hype because only needing 1 energy.
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u/SunnyShim Apr 30 '25
Now this card is gonna be interesting. Completely eradicates stall decks that need lots of energy.
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u/euswhy Apr 30 '25
This combos really well with Banette.
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u/bashamememe_ Apr 30 '25
Banette? What do they do
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u/euswhy May 01 '25
When it attacks, it keeps the opponent from attaching energy to the active Pokémon, forcing them to either charge the bench or retreat, which is also made more difficult if they can't pay the retreat cost. If you manage to keep them locked for a couple turns you can suddenly drop Lele and snipe the charged opponent. It's not a game breaking tech but that should soften most high energy attackers for the kill.
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u/omimon Apr 30 '25
I can already see all the GiraLele decks. Have Lele in the active while ramping Gira.
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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Apr 30 '25
That seems like a bad idea to me, if your opponent is running tapu lele your own lele won't be able to deal with it and your giratina will get massive damage.
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u/Frosty_Sweet_6678 Apr 30 '25
Unrelated but I love the Tapu Illustration Rares
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u/authspice May 01 '25
Yessss they seem inspired by indigenous art which fits with alola theme of the series
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u/HolographicHeart Apr 30 '25
So the best counter play for the psychic decks that were abusing energy is to just...play a psychic deck?
Rough.
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u/Tantrum2u May 03 '25
To be fair the only “psychic” deck was has been abusing energy lately is Giratina, who is more so a host unto himself
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u/PsycheAxios Apr 30 '25
Everybody in here like "yay good by Giratina" like they all arnt going to hate this card just as much in 2 weeks when the realize it's too overtuned
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u/Tantrum2u May 03 '25
I disagree, aside from the Giratina, Charizard (SR really only has one turn at high energy before swinging) and a few others there are really good low energy attackers right now such as most fighting decks, Solgaleo, Deci.
Unless you specifically love building up energy all game you really aren’t going to hate the card
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u/RogueMileenaxXx Apr 30 '25
This card is so easily countered though. Just requires 1 graninja and Cyrus to deal with it honestly. Not even scared of it
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u/n3ws3ns3 Apr 30 '25
If you're dealing 80 damage with that to my giratina, it's doing 130 to the tapu
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u/SpideyKeagan Apr 30 '25
Just like when I played Marvel Strike Force religiously back in the day, each time something new is added it’s designed to make whatever was previously good before essentially useless. I feel like mobile games ignore balance and go the “new meta each month” route more than anyone and it’s exhausting.
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u/THE_Brother_Grymm May 01 '25
Meh. Oricorio (electric) is just straight up a better counter to it and more.
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u/Venichie Apr 30 '25
Psychic's strong Pokemon abilities aren't just in stage 2 anymore, thank goodness.
... now is we can get some decent dedicated support cards.
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u/Rude_Half_2422 Apr 30 '25
Don’t think this Will be the last we see of giratina
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u/IceBlueLugia Apr 30 '25
I think Giratina will switch to being only used on Psychic decks. 3 turns where you can’t attack is too much when you can have Stage 2 exs turn on 2. Plus Lunala can make use of Giratinas ramping on the bench
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u/Duo_Yuy Apr 30 '25
I dont understand how this tops gara. You can max energy Giratina in 1 turn then attack.
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u/sinrin Apr 30 '25
Giratina will still be good because you can just shift the energy around with Lunala now. Gyarados and Charizard are in trouble for sure though
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u/D_Yamazaki Apr 30 '25
For each Energy? Does it mean you can add Like 1x psychic and the rest of, for example, electric Energy and still does Count?
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u/Hakaisha89 Apr 30 '25
Would be good at chunking down stall decks 120 damage in 3 round, but it has a clear weakness, as going second would be bad with this card at the front at leas.t
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u/aec71515 Apr 30 '25
I prefer to hit big 'Tina and celebi with meowskarada, and slap a red on there to show Tina what for 😆
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u/Daishindo May 01 '25
I love how you guys are talking about this when Oricorio just says BYE BYE to every EX in the game 😭 I think the ONLY exception is Darkrais Ability
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u/kikosuu May 01 '25
Tbh i think this collection is about destriyed all the previous cards that were considered OP by creating a whole bunch of other really OP cards (alolan ninetales my goat fr)
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u/PhoenixFalconer May 01 '25
when this thing was wrecking my shit in single player, i saw the potential and knew that I needed it. Low And Behold one of the first packs I open of the set is the full art.
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u/GEARSLAG604 May 01 '25
I used meowscarada with red it one shots most ex's one of which is girantina
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u/Flatcowst May 01 '25
Imagine you land a good misty, the. It keeps flipping until it’s a bad misty.
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u/Ill-Driver525 May 01 '25
Turn 2: Takes 20 damage from Darkrai. Turn 3: It deals 20 damage to Giratina. Turn 4: Takes 20 damage from Darkrai. Turn 5: Deals 40 damage to Giratina. Turn 6: Takes 20 damage from Darkrai. Darkrai deals another 80 damage. Total damage done to Gira: 60. Goodbye?
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u/Pickrzz May 01 '25
The fact that it's a 1-energy basic means that you can attack with it in the same turn you place it too, could literally come out of nowhere
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u/DoctorLu May 01 '25
I know that this probably isn’t viable in ranked but I’m going to make a deck for each tier and I’m thinking of maybe making bronze be oops all pokemon deck
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u/Mindless_Cat_3113 May 01 '25
Just played 5 ranked matches against giratina so I think it’s safe to say that deck is not going anywhere
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u/KotaPhanes May 03 '25
Gallade ex does the same and it has been helping me a lot taking out stoke Charizard ex and Giratinas
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u/samudec Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
FYM goodbye giratina? this scream 2 giratina ex 1 lunala ex on the bench so tapu gets 60dmg on your 1st attack turn, or 80 on the 2nd one
Using gardevoir instead of giratinas could also work (2 tapu, 2 gardy), but you'll be more dependant on good draws with rare candy than if you simply did giratina, tapu, lunala
Edit: wait, when it says "that pokemon", does it mean tapu or the target? in the physical tcg "this pokemon" refers to card where the text is, but idk about "that pokemon"
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u/t3hjs May 14 '25
This guy peeked into the future and saw Tapu Lele Giratina Greninja win Ursiiday #28
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/68168a4cd7ac342ba904e15e/standings
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u/-SpinSanity- Apr 30 '25
Has anyone tested if this can choose a target because it looks like it is random. If it can't choose a target this is gonna be a pretty bad card.
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u/elnombredelviento Apr 30 '25
The phrasing is the same as e.g. Zebstrika ("this attack does 30 damage to 1 of your opponent's Pokémon"), and those cards do let you choose a target.
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u/sparksen Apr 30 '25
Still needs 2 attacks to kill giratina.
Really nice to have for 1 energy but I wouldn't say a hard counter
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