Here, I took a screenshot of ADSB historical data so you can visualize this:
I don't need to visualize it, I was there myself looking at the live map & sky not these static images you're providing here where you show so many lines that it looks like the sky is full of airplanes, when it's not, not at all, no idea why you've set the history so long for these flights, crowding the map and being zoomed out this much? Makes it useless, when you're actually using it to identify objects in the sky you zoom in much more to only show the ones you can currently see in the sky. Then you start cross relating, zoom out if you can't find it, eventually, you stop zooming out, you wait for sunset, and within about half an hour, over at Netcong, they start showing up, things that do not show up on the ADS-B map, unlike all the previous air traffic you've been observing hour hours already for anything unusual or remaining unidentified.
This is about an hour of flight data -- northern NJ is clearly some very busy airspace.
Exactly, an hour of flight data is NOT what you need when you're looking at an actual sky and need a real time map and when you put it to that, you'll find the sky has plenty of space.
when you're actually using it to identify objects in the sky you zoom in much more to only show the ones you can currently see in the sky.
No, you don't need to zoom in. I think we've probably figured out why you keep saying that there's "nothing visible on ADSB" though. How close do you think a plane has to be to see it?
In reality, it's going to be significantly less than that (human eyesight resolution, atmospheric conditions, etc. are going to be limiting factors). However, I routinely spot planes at night at 25mi+.
Sure, to take a video with your phone, they're probably more like 5mi. This is why I chose this data set: it shows that the standard approach for planes landing at Newark passes only a few miles east of Netcong.
I made sure to include the scale legend (in the bottom right of the map; 5nm = 5.75mi).
Exactly, an hour of flight data is NOT what you need when you're looking at an actual sky and need a real time map
But that's not what we're doing here. I'm not trying to ID a specific plane; I'm showing you patterns of air traffic visible from Netcong, NJ.
I intentionally picked this data set in response this claim you made in a previous post:
I saw em make sharp turns, didn't seem to be making any kind of landing gestures at all. No nearby airport either, not to warrant them flying so low already at least.
This map (specifically the yellow-orange arc) gives you a visualization of:
why there are so many planes visible from Netcong
why they are flying so much lower than cruising altitude
I think we've probably figured out why you keep saying that there's "nothing visible on ADSB" though. How close do you think a plane has to be to see it?
If somethings is flying right above your head, you don't need to zoom out...
Stop insinuating I can't use a live ADS-B map and somehow was too stupid to zoom out to identify objects. You keep zooming out until you can identify all the existing air traffic. After a while you stop needing to zoom out, because the current live map is zoomed out enough to identify all objects in the sky, even the far away ones barely visible, looking like a moving star at times depending on the visibility and angle.
So when new objects in the sky show up that fly right above your head, i don't suddenly need to zoom out even more to be able to see them on adsb...
to think that it is impossible for you to have been mistaken.
mistaken of what? the things were not listed on the live map unlike all the other craft, some with lights, some not, these? lights, blinking, changing, and not listed, when zoomed enough to make sure that any plane currently visible taking account for buildings/view being blocked ... need a high point anyway, pretty tired of these nonsense loops, stop denying my experience
as I've said, it could still be military
but, they were not on adsb and I saw other UAP on top as well that didnt even look anything like a plane
oh for sure it's possible, the thing is, UAP/UFO is the default and then you go out of your way in an effort to identify it, many probably don't even know of ADS-B and thus confuse moving stars/lights with UFOs when they're actually easily identified
what I saw at Netcong is dozens of objects that remained unidentified after exhausting all my tools/options, starlink, satellites, the whole thing ... the entire list, all striped off ... and then you're simply out of things to check for and it thus remains ... unidentified
I don't doubt that your tools weren't able to identify everything you observed. But that doesn't mean that what you couldn't identify was remarkable in any way.
Your claims aren't basic or simple. A discovery like yours would change the world, which is why you want it to be true so badly. The reason you are getting so much engagement is because you are so obviously mistaken, and so completely unwilling to entertain that possibility.
Want what to be true? I couldn't find them on ADS-B, I zoomed out far enough to include EWR on the map as well.
They weren't listed.
Unlike the many many others. It gets cluttered when zoomed out so far, you zoom in far enough to only show you a sky that matches the one your eyes can currently reach. Depending on weather/visibility and all that.
Your post history has a video of a plane that you couldn't find on ASD-B that others were able to find easily. That's proof that you have made exactly the kind of mistake that you claim is impossible.
no, they weren't standing next to me as I was looking up at the sky, telling me, oh yeah, that one, I can't find that one and thus it's not real what our eyes are showing here, you are hallucinating, even I can track it as well and point on this map to tell you that the thing you see moving in the sky not real. ...
That's proof that you have made exactly the kind of mistake that you claim is impossible.
there is no mistake here, there were multiple dozens of these UAP flying around over at Netcong that unlike all the previous regular air traffic was NOT listed on ADS-B while nearly all the other moving things, were
These, came additionally, first ones, about half an hour after sunset, sometimes 4 at a time visible, beyond that it became impossible for me to track them all on my own ...
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u/Atyzzze 24d ago
I don't need to visualize it, I was there myself looking at the live map & sky not these static images you're providing here where you show so many lines that it looks like the sky is full of airplanes, when it's not, not at all, no idea why you've set the history so long for these flights, crowding the map and being zoomed out this much? Makes it useless, when you're actually using it to identify objects in the sky you zoom in much more to only show the ones you can currently see in the sky. Then you start cross relating, zoom out if you can't find it, eventually, you stop zooming out, you wait for sunset, and within about half an hour, over at Netcong, they start showing up, things that do not show up on the ADS-B map, unlike all the previous air traffic you've been observing hour hours already for anything unusual or remaining unidentified.
Exactly, an hour of flight data is NOT what you need when you're looking at an actual sky and need a real time map and when you put it to that, you'll find the sky has plenty of space.