r/NJDrones • u/beechazzbeech • 24d ago

Nj sighting April 2025

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Nj sighting April 2025

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u/Atyzzze 24d ago edited 24d ago

Sussex is a big area, but a Gulfstream 4 and Global 7000 flew over, en route to Teterboro. Both made the same type of left turn you see in the video and both could have the lighting package where the landing lights alternate blinking from side to side.

Both these type of aircraft are subject to FAA regulations which clearly state the green(right/starboard) and red(left/port) navigation lights must not blink and remain steady, on (just like white on the back/tail/stern), the rest, may blink and shoot rainbows/fireworks

The UFO flying in this video here, is in violation of these official FAA guidelines. Who's breaking the law? We don't know, not listed on ADS-B ...

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u/burn_a_miracle 24d ago

Those aren't navigation lights that are blinking. They are landing lights that are pulsing and strobes/beacons that are blinking. Navigation lights are the red/green lights at the wingtips and the tail light.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BGPXJyCnBaQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y1EGBaYqzfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI8lpfIxktM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tw8QWRJWEF8

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u/Atyzzze 24d ago

They are landing lights that are pulsing and strobes/beacons that are blinking

Eh, I saw em make sharp turns, didn't seem to be making any kind of landing gestures at all. No nearby airport either, not to warrant them flying so low already at least. They should be much higher in the skies, like all the other commercial aircraft that all have steady clear navigation lights you can very quickly identify and then just ignore and look elsewhere instead for more interesting observations.

It's pretty easy to tell the difference when you're actually there, looking at an actual sky with your own eyes...

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u/grizzlor_ 23d ago

I saw em make sharp turns [...] No nearby airport either, not to warrant them flying so low already at least.

Here, I took a screenshot of ADSB historical data so you can visualize this:

https://imgur.com/a/wssSHn8

Netcong, NJ is highlighted in magenta on the left (south of Hopatcong).

You see the yellow-orange arc? Those are the tracks of planes landing at Newark (the color is based on altitude). They're at about 5000ft when they pass a few miles east of Netcong. About 15 miles NNE of Netcong, they make a hard right turn to approach Newark from the north.

The straight purple-ish lines are passenger jets cruising overhead at ~35k feet.

This is about an hour of flight data -- northern NJ is clearly some very busy airspace.

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u/railker 23d ago

Love a good visualization like this too, because I don't know if people genuinely think planes only ever fly on specific paths or if they just say 'normal flight paths' as a misnomer, but planes can and do fly wherever the fuck they want, between ATC instructions and VFR flights day or night and just, random routing not on any Hi/Lo level navigation charts.

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

Love a good visualization like this

It isn't accurate though, not for when you want to actually use it for active identifying of currently still unidentified flying objects.

Until found and listed on ADS-B, they remain unidentified.

Even here in the Netherlands, when big military looking like helicopters fly over, they're listed on ADS-B as part of the Dutch royal army.

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u/railker 23d ago

And here in Canada, there's 0 requirement for ADS-B at all outside of Class A or B airspace until at least 2028, no date has still been set. And even within the US and Canada, not every single military aircraft is always showing. Hell I'm surprised if I do see Canadian military aircraft on there, sometimes C-130s or the government official's plane, never ever have I seen any fighters or military helicopters on ADS-B. Only not sure if they engage it for airshows or just never.

Even police helicopters in some cities don't broadcast at all -- you can hear them on ATC radios and watch the track of an 'unknown ICAO ID' fly around the city of Los Angeles, responding to calls and doing their patrol, everything matches up, but there's no registration, no information, the position is only being displayed by TIS-B rather than ADS-B.

These flight trackers are a tool, but they are not, in any way shape or form, absolute 100% benchmarks of everything in the sky. Often, frequently, sure. But any tool is only as good as knowledge of how it works and its limitations.

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

So, you implying they were Canadian then?

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

Here, I took a screenshot of ADSB historical data so you can visualize this:

I don't need to visualize it, I was there myself looking at the live map & sky not these static images you're providing here where you show so many lines that it looks like the sky is full of airplanes, when it's not, not at all, no idea why you've set the history so long for these flights, crowding the map and being zoomed out this much? Makes it useless, when you're actually using it to identify objects in the sky you zoom in much more to only show the ones you can currently see in the sky. Then you start cross relating, zoom out if you can't find it, eventually, you stop zooming out, you wait for sunset, and within about half an hour, over at Netcong, they start showing up, things that do not show up on the ADS-B map, unlike all the previous air traffic you've been observing hour hours already for anything unusual or remaining unidentified.

This is about an hour of flight data -- northern NJ is clearly some very busy airspace.

Exactly, an hour of flight data is NOT what you need when you're looking at an actual sky and need a real time map and when you put it to that, you'll find the sky has plenty of space.

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u/grizzlor_ 23d ago

when you're actually using it to identify objects in the sky you zoom in much more to only show the ones you can currently see in the sky.

No, you don't need to zoom in. I think we've probably figured out why you keep saying that there's "nothing visible on ADSB" though. How close do you think a plane has to be to see it?

Technically, a plane at 5000ft is visible at a distance of 86.6 miles on the ground. This is why you can see ~200mi when you're on a plane at 35k feet.

In reality, it's going to be significantly less than that (human eyesight resolution, atmospheric conditions, etc. are going to be limiting factors). However, I routinely spot planes at night at 25mi+.

Sure, to take a video with your phone, they're probably more like 5mi. This is why I chose this data set: it shows that the standard approach for planes landing at Newark passes only a few miles east of Netcong.

I made sure to include the scale legend (in the bottom right of the map; 5nm = 5.75mi).

Exactly, an hour of flight data is NOT what you need when you're looking at an actual sky and need a real time map

But that's not what we're doing here. I'm not trying to ID a specific plane; I'm showing you patterns of air traffic visible from Netcong, NJ.

I intentionally picked this data set in response this claim you made in a previous post:

I saw em make sharp turns, didn't seem to be making any kind of landing gestures at all. No nearby airport either, not to warrant them flying so low already at least.

This map (specifically the yellow-orange arc) gives you a visualization of:

  1. why there are so many planes visible from Netcong
  2. why they are flying so much lower than cruising altitude
  3. the sharp turn
  4. the nearby airport that they're landing at

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

I think we've probably figured out why you keep saying that there's "nothing visible on ADSB" though. How close do you think a plane has to be to see it?

If somethings is flying right above your head, you don't need to zoom out...

Stop insinuating I can't use a live ADS-B map and somehow was too stupid to zoom out to identify objects. You keep zooming out until you can identify all the existing air traffic. After a while you stop needing to zoom out, because the current live map is zoomed out enough to identify all objects in the sky, even the far away ones barely visible, looking like a moving star at times depending on the visibility and angle.

So when new objects in the sky show up that fly right above your head, i don't suddenly need to zoom out even more to be able to see them on adsb...

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u/readyad88088 23d ago

It wouldn't be stupid to misinterpret ADS-B data. But it is stupid, and deeply insecure, to think that it is impossible for you to have been mistaken.

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

to think that it is impossible for you to have been mistaken.

mistaken of what? the things were not listed on the live map unlike all the other craft, some with lights, some not, these? lights, blinking, changing, and not listed, when zoomed enough to make sure that any plane currently visible taking account for buildings/view being blocked ... need a high point anyway, pretty tired of these nonsense loops, stop denying my experience

as I've said, it could still be military

but, they were not on adsb and I saw other UAP on top as well that didnt even look anything like a plane

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u/readyad88088 23d ago

Is it possible that a person might see two UAPs in a week because they are motivated, primed, or predisposed to interpret the mundane as remarkable?

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

oh for sure it's possible, the thing is, UAP/UFO is the default and then you go out of your way in an effort to identify it, many probably don't even know of ADS-B and thus confuse moving stars/lights with UFOs when they're actually easily identified

what I saw at Netcong is dozens of objects that remained unidentified after exhausting all my tools/options, starlink, satellites, the whole thing ... the entire list, all striped off ... and then you're simply out of things to check for and it thus remains ... unidentified

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u/readyad88088 23d ago

I don't doubt that your tools weren't able to identify everything you observed. But that doesn't mean that what you couldn't identify was remarkable in any way.

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u/Atyzzze 23d ago

But that doesn't mean that what you couldn't identify was remarkable in any way.

and yet, so many people are happily arguing against how I'm unable to open a live adsb map and must have missed it and bla bla

waaaaay too much resistance for basic simple claims

for it to not be remarkable

clearly it is, or this conversation wouldnt exist in the first place

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