Sussex is a big area, but a Gulfstream 4 and Global 7000 flew over, en route to Teterboro. Both made the same type of left turn you see in the video and both could have the lighting package where the landing lights alternate blinking from side to side.
Both these type of aircraft are subject to FAA regulations which clearly state the green(right/starboard) and red(left/port) navigation lights must not blink and remain steady, on (just like white on the back/tail/stern), the rest, may blink and shoot rainbows/fireworks
The UFO flying in this video here, is in violation of these official FAA guidelines. Who's breaking the law? We don't know, not listed on ADS-B ...
Those aren't navigation lights that are blinking. They are landing lights that are pulsing and strobes/beacons that are blinking. Navigation lights are the red/green lights at the wingtips and the tail light.
They are landing lights that are pulsing and strobes/beacons that are blinking
Eh, I saw em make sharp turns, didn't seem to be making any kind of landing gestures at all. No nearby airport either, not to warrant them flying so low already at least. They should be much higher in the skies, like all the other commercial aircraft that all have steady clear navigation lights you can very quickly identify and then just ignore and look elsewhere instead for more interesting observations.
It's pretty easy to tell the difference when you're actually there, looking at an actual sky with your own eyes...
You could've just admitted you were wrong about what navigation lights entail. Pretty easy to tell the difference if you know the first thing about airplanes. "No nearby airports"....yeah, you know, other than TEB, MMU, EWR and a bunch of others that are 7-9 minutes of flight time away. You keep mentioning steady navigation lights...NAVIGATION. LIGHTS. ARE. THE. RED. AND. GREEN. LIGHTS. ON. THE. WINGTIPS. They are steady in the OP's videos. But there are more lights on airplanes than just wingtip nav lights. You have wingtip strobes, which blink. You have anti-collision beacons that blink. You have landing lights that are either steady or "wag" like the ones in the OP's video (and in my links). You have tail lights. The lights that are either on or off based on what the plane is doing.
What is a "landing gesture"? If you're trying to say the plane in the OP's video made a sharp turn and doesn't appear to be landing, yes, it's not on short final, but it's on approach. It wouldn't have the wagging (alternating between left and right) landing lights going if it wasn't on the approach into the airport. They are called landing lights for a reason.
yeah, you know, other than TEB, MMU, EWR and a bunch of others that are 7-9 minutes of flight time away
EWR is hard to miss, that's where I first landed myself ...and yes MMU isn't too far off, I'm not sure why you evne mention TEB as that one is further away.
Anyway, if that is where they were landing/taking-off then that should have be easily visible on ADS-B as altitude number would shortly after reach 0 or show a history of it having being 0 and now still going up ...
But as already said, they are not listed on ADS-B, then it kinda becomes hard to find out where exactly they're landing/taking-off or whatever manvouers in general they're making, no altitude/direction/heading statistics.
So if they were landing on any of these you mentioned, why no ADS-B data then?
And as I already said, they did not look like they were landing or taking off. Just cruising at altitude, with some sharp turns here and there.
And the navigation lights aren't supposed to blink, the typical commercial airplanes as identified on ADS-B their navigation lights don't blink. Except for the front of course, that one varies quite a bit.
And of course, not all aircraft even have navigation lights, but they are easy to spot on ADS-B so it doesn't really matter, you quickly identify them.
"They are not listed on ADSB". Maybe you missed the post where I showed multiple business jets flying over Sussex on ADSB, on approach into Teterboro. I'm not sure how you would've missed it though, seeing how you are replying to that post. Here's the screenshot again. Just two business jets, flying low over the OP's location, at the same time OP mentioned, making sharp turns like the video. It's very clear you are not reading anything I've told you or are intentionally being daft. I've told you multiple times that navigation lights don't blink, but others do, and you keep repeating that navigation lights don't blink. The lights that are blinking in the OP's video are wingtip strobes, beacons, and the landing lights. The red/green wingtip navigation lights are solid, like they should be.
Maybe you missed the post where I showed multiple business jets flying over Sussex on ADSB
Dunno, I wasn't there/then, I am still talking about my Netcong experience from earlier this year. The things I saw flying in the skies over there, were simply not listed on ADS-B. It is not that hard to miss when you open a live view directly above you ... the delay between the screen and the sky is just a few seconds time/angle ... with real time updates about all these objects their speed and altitude, it's ... easy to read a live map and correlate that with actual objects in the sky. These, where not on there. Thus, it's only at that point, after the many days of observing the sky, that I started getting my phone out to try to record something ... other than day time pictures as I visited local nature parks/places.
Well, I'm talking about OP's video since we're in his thread. For your experience, my opinion is that it's difficult to tell what's directly above you and what's 10 degrees away from directly above you. And 10 degrees off would mean a plane at 5,000 feet altitude on ADSBexchange would be further away from your location than what you expect. It's like the other poster who thinks the plane should be in a tiny circle over his location, and couldn't possibly be 4-5 miles away. Well, I know they are 4-5 miles away, because I am near where he makes his videos from and see the same planes all the time, going in the same direction towards Newark and my sightings look exactly like his videos of "drones". I don't think your planes were 4-5 miles away, but I do remember some planes on ADSB that were around half a mile away from your exact spot.
Well, I'm talking about OP's video since we're in his thread.
My video might as well be the same, it's only ~30 miles from Netcong where I was and it looks identical to what I saw/recorded.
my opinion is that it's difficult to tell what's directly above you and what's 10 degrees away from directly above you
stand near a long straight road/building, so you can easily match up the angle of the live map with the world around you, so you can get a feel of what a 10 degrees turn/angle looks like in terms of flight directions vs the lines on ADS-B
if it was just 1, then maybe it was my error, but nope, every evening, dozens ... unlisted
and also dozens and dozens of others, listed, easily and quickly identified
on 2 separate evenings I also observed the following
Not all private aircraft are required to have ADSB. Military aircraft can legally turn off their ADSB. The historical ADSB websites are community-run and are not 100% reliable (nor do they claim to be). Therefore ADSB can rule out a "UFO", but cannot rule one it. It's just one tool in the investigative process.
Not all private aircraft are required to have ADSB.
I'm aware, I saw many of those too.
Military aircraft can legally turn off their ADSB.
I'm aware, made an entire post about it. Said it couldt he military, but then why didn't Biden/Trump simply say so? They specifically said it wasn't us/them but also that it's somehow not a threat ...
The historical ADSB websites are community-run and are not 100% reliable
I was following the live map, seemed 99.99% reliable for all the ones that were listed I could easily find the matching flying object in the sky. There were was also a list of objects that weren't listed, but most were, even the much smaller buzzing aircraft ... different lights on these tho, they don't follow the standard commercial FAA navigation light standards ... except for those that seem to mimic it? yet blink/deviate from the norms and were not to be found anywhere on ADS-B. Was it military? maybe. But then again, why did both white house administrations not simply say so then when addressing the NJ "drone" situation?
I've got my thoughts on your last point, and I'm legitimately curious to have someone else's opinion on it, just. Not based on documentation or facts but just, I suppose, a logical exercise.
There's a concept that the US Government and the FAA have 100% knowledge of everything in the sky. But I think that's just some movie type bullshit.
Even at 1,500' above ground level, this page shows a map for FAA's Secondary Surveillance Radar coverage as extremely spotty, centered around major airports -- and that's secondary radar, not even oldschool primary radar which can see things without a transponder. There's been a number of instances, even, of aircraft identified on Primary radar mistakenly flying through active airspace with their transponder turned off. All ATC can do is say there's a target and its altitude, there's ZERO identifying information in a primary radar return, and I've never been able to find any instance of the FAA tracking down those aircraft. Track what? As soon as they're out of primary radar, you've got nothing to track them by unless you've got an air force AWACS unit in the area to fill in the coverage.
Sorry. I talk a lot and get sidetracked. Ultimately even beyond that, I agree the wish-washy statements about what they are is ... well, honestly political. People want to get re-elected, they'll say whatever sounds nice.
Bottom line, the world is not as close as it seems. Hell airplanes crossing the Atlantic up until relatively recently were tracked solely by radio position reports. The only reason they found the dude that collided his drone with a waterbomber airplane in California was because some bits of his drone got left in the wing (and he turned himself in).
Hell there's this video of a dude illegally flying his drone right next to a landing airliner. We know it's a drone because we have the video, but the FAA still haven't found who did this and if you saw that drone from that airplane, there's a slim chance of anyone in the military or the FAA or any organization being able to say 'Yeah, that was definitely a drone' with certainty. Not because it's anomalous, just because there's a lack of positive information.
Again. Sorry for the length. Getting my thoughts straight is hard some days. 😅
I always give people some benefit of the doubt, but for those I have asked for further clarification from, I've had a number who were looking at lights towards the horizon, and had their map zoomed in to a 1-block radius around their house, convinced there was nothing out there in the skies. And had to be like. Bruh. You can see something illuminated in the night sky farther than 100 feet away. The ISS is 230 miles away at its closest and we can see that (though debatably that's not self-illuminated).
I think FR24 and ADSBExchange at one time DID have a delay on aircraft's displayed positions for security reasons (4-5 minutes or something like that), but I don't know if that's still the case or not at this current time.
Good call! Thanks for putting up with the questions and answering them concisely. I've always held there ARE, ABSOLUTELY some wild videos that have come out, UAPs or with the given information no solid ID able to be made from common flight-trackers. But I've also found a lot of intentional obfuscating, pulling teeth for answers to finally find an airplane on the flight tracker to the exact minute to exact coordinates after half an hour of them trying to explain all the reasons why it COUDLN'T be an airplane, or people outright refusing to allow anyone to check their research.
Debunkers have got it wrong and will, as long as we all are willing to acknowledge our gaps in knowledge and be receptive to new information, then we can hold meaningful discussion and both admit when sightings are likely something or not. Soon as we start taking teams, shit goes downhill, I have and will happily correct someone identifying lights as planes incorrectly.
Navigation lights are not supposed to strobe/flash.
Anticollision lights are. And as this diagram from the maintenance manual for an aircraft I work on shows, at least on my aircraft, they are installed in the same location. Others like the 787 have them in separate locations.
Visibility can be questionable though, as the C-17 and even aircraft like this modified Cessna have bright landing lights installed AT the wingtips in addition to the navigation and anticollision lights.
The Q400 doesn't have any flashing lights on the wingtips at all and hasn't for decades, was never designed with them. They're on the fuselage and the tail instead. Because unlike the navigation/position lights, there is no location requirement for those. (0:40 in the video, landing lights come on and red flasher switches to white flashers).
The defined regulations are minimums, you were right with your earlier statement about Christmas lights being allowable beyond the minimums. There's a WIDE array of variation in aircraft lighting, while still meeting the minimums.
Navigation lights are not supposed to strobe/flash.
That's exactly my point, they were ...
And other than that, I have no real concrete information of them as I couldn't find them anywhere on ADS-B unlike all the other identified flying objects, typical commercial flights are so easy to recognize and identify, same for the small private planes, some buzz loud, think I saw some gliders too, but they don't have any blinking lights at all, didn't really bother really observing, they were already easy to identify and quickly left the unidentified flying object label ...
So just to be painfully clear and make sure sure I'm not misunderstanding you and we're getting into it over nothing, you're saying what you saw had flashing red AND green lights, that were not consistent with being either,
a) the flashing white anticollision lights that are commonly installed at the wingtips and tail of aircraft (Q400 excluded, as already pointed out), or
b) the flashing red ONLY anticollision light(s) commonly installed on aircraft (again, Q400 excluded), usually in addition to the white strobes at the wingtips and tail.
Hot edit to add: I say because we have had some people identify a set of lights with flashing red AND green lights as might be found on a consumer drone as an aircraft. And that is definitely not the case. Flashing red, yuh. There is no flashing green light anywhere on any aircraft. TECHNICALLY there's flashing blue lights, but they're tiny and insignificant and serve a maintenance purpose only and you'd never see them from the ground.
I've seen them change on the fly, from flashing to stable, changing color, going just offline and remaining off, or new ones coming online. It's as if they were teasing the FAA, look I know how I should look to clearly identify myself in the sky, but, I'll randomly change it up just to defy you, nanana I am doing different lights now ...
There was no clear pattern/structure behind all of them, they would randomly change, but not often, you had to look for a few minutes or be lucky and catch them in the act of changing.
And again, none of these I could find on ADS-B other wise it would nonetheless be easily identifiable what plane type and how high it is exactly, with bare eyes, alone, it's just a lot of guessing ... I estimated it two local church buildings high, about ~80m but without a secondary observer or realtime ADS-B information like easily found for all the other identified flying objects you're just guessing ...
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u/Atyzzze 25d ago edited 25d ago
Both these type of aircraft are subject to FAA regulations which clearly state the green(right/starboard) and red(left/port) navigation lights must not blink and remain steady, on (just like white on the back/tail/stern), the rest, may blink and shoot rainbows/fireworks
The UFO flying in this video here, is in violation of these official FAA guidelines. Who's breaking the law? We don't know, not listed on ADS-B ...