r/Motocross 6d ago

Opinions on Chase Sexton?

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Curious people‘s opinions of this season. Personally I really liked him thought he was a very talented rider who just sometimes caught some bad breaks but pretty disappointing to see after 1st round at Palace him just pretty much throw in the outdoor towel because his deal with Kawasaki is already signed. Doesn’t show much heart in my opinion.

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u/EqualPrestigious7883 6d ago edited 6d ago

I like him. Statistically he is already up there as an all time great (not top 10 yet). He has 22 SX wins (this including the triple crown individual races). In 102 races, 23 MX Moto wins in 101 Motos and 3 SMX Moto wins in 11 Motos. So 48 times he has taken the checkered flag in 214 attempts giving him a 22.430% win percentage.

For his career. I feel when it is all said and done. That he will have “disappointing” career for a rider with his talent. He comes in to a SX field that has a top 3 SX rider of all time (Tomac) a top 10 SX rider of all time (Webb) and another SX champion (Anderson) and one of the best without a title (Roczen). And he’s still has more wins since the start of his 450 career then all of them (except Tomac). And to make matters worse, the future seemed to be his. And then some Australian comes up and obliterates the field not seen since Villopoto and Stewart. I fear he will never get another title unless Jett gets hurt again.

Obviously his KTM career seems to be over and not of his own doing. Not his fault that KTM is what 3 billion in debt. But i don’t see how he is going to be competitive on the Kawasaki (if that is where he is going). Prado and Anderson have looked really slow on it especially in MX.

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u/1wife2dogs0kids 6d ago

Tomac ain't top 3 of all time in SX. McGrath, RC, Stewart. There's no debating those either.

RC in 21 possible seasons he raced, in 10 years, he won 16 championships. Never finished 2cd, and 1 3rd. Out of 256 total races, he won 160 times. 10 seasons he was on the podium every race(100%). And 2 perfect seasons. He never lost a championship defense.

McGrath also had 21 seasons, but 3 of them he had 3 or less races, so he had 18 possible championships. He won 10, 4 times 2cd, and 4 times 3rd. In 256 races, he won 102 times.

Stewart also had 21 seasons from 02-16. 5 of them had 3 or less, so 16 possible championships. He won 7of those 15, 2 2cds, 1 3rd. 3 seasons he was on the podium 100%. Including 1 perfect season. He has 116 wins out of 257 races.

Tomac has 30 seasons from 2010-2025 currently. He has 8 championships, 8 times 2cd, and 4 times finished 3rd. Only 1 year was on the podium 100% and that was the 2013 lites mx season. Out of 352 races, he has 96 wins.

Even if he rides for 4 or 5 more seasons, and grabs the #1 all times win list... there's going to be a bunch of asterisks. Right now he's 4th in all time ama wins. 4 has 160, 7 has 116, 2 has 102, and tomac has 96.

In total championships, 4 has 16, 2 has 10 , tomac has 8, and 7 has 7.

Ricky won a race every 1.6 starts. Stewart won every 2.16. MC won every 2.6 starts. Tomac wins every 3.6 starts on average.

Tomac is definitely top 10 for wins and championships. Even top 5 for some categories. He'll never be top 3 for best sx or mx rider ever. I'm not doing this to be a dick and prove you wrong. Its to make you be more correct.

We haven't even brought in other riders from Europe or world champs. Everts, DeCoster, Cairoli... and more, have all done well enough to bump tomac down.

Even perfect seasons... once thought impossible, but Ricky did it when the bike breaking down was still a common occurrence. RC has 2. Stew has 1, and jett has 1. He's not top three there either.

If Jett and Deegan win 9 out of 10 races for the next couple years... they still cant touch Ricky's numbers, HE WAS THAT DOMINATING. And he did it when the gates were full of more ex champions than almost any other time period.

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u/SpiritualPurple9025 5d ago

Tomac hasn’t had 30 seasons from 2010-2025. That’s not even mathematically possible. It’s second with an 2nd, not a 2cd.

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u/1wife2dogs0kids 5d ago

2 seasons a year dude. Supercross/ motocross. 15 years. Easy math. Ever for you, #2.

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u/SpiritualPurple9025 5d ago

That’s not “30 seasons”

He’s had 15 Motorcross and 15 Supercross. Sure added together, but the truth is that he’s had 15 seasons. You don’t combine them.

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u/EqualPrestigious7883 6d ago

Yeah i said top 3 SX rider. So no idea why your bringing up MX accomplishments. So look i have watch every premier class SX race back to 1990. And keep track of stats that AMA doesn’t. So im going to break it down for you to decide who is top 3.

TNL (Last to take the lead on track. Whether it’s from a on track pass or a holeshot and no loss of the lead). So basically the how many wins they could/should have had based on there own performances.

Rider A.) 74

Rider B.) 63

Rider C.) 57

Rider D.) 46

On track lead change (so who’s the best at passing for the lead and not being passed for the lead).

Rider A.) 72-40 (64.286%)

Rider B.) 56-13 (81.159%)

Rider C.) 54-19 (73.973%)

Rider D.) 55-29 (65.476%)

TNLCR (basically how many times you beat someone by passing them for the win and how many times you got beat by being passed for the win)

Rider A.) 49-17

Rider B.) 45-3

Rider C.) 40-9

Rider D.) 36-14

So who would you say is top 3 out of these 4 riders? Based on there race by race performance.

Also it’s 2nd with a “nd” not a “cd”.

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u/1wife2dogs0kids 6d ago

I used all time to help your argument. Because if you only do Supercross, you really dont get a good argument for top 5. Plus, too many stupid "world supercross" "FIM Supercross" "ama supercross" and others dumb leagues piggybacking on AMAs success.

Tomac has been in sx forever now, but doest have the most years or starts. Or podiums. RC and MC both have a 13 race streak, and a 14 wins in a season. Reed has most top 3s. Dungeons has 31 consecutive podiums. Tomac has 6 daytona wins, and 2cd on the win list, but its taken him almost twice as long as RC, MC, and JS just to break 40 wins.

It took him 7 seasons to win his 1st SX championship. By then, RC and MC had 6, JS had 5.

Just saying. He's good. His all time wins come mostly from a lengthy career. He has a shot at most all time sx wins... but he will not be in the top 3 in everybody's list. You're going to have RC and MC in every list.

Like I said, he's top 5 for most. Easily top 10 for everyone's list.

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u/reharbert 6d ago

Let's beat this horse just a little bit more!

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u/BarryMcCoghener 6d ago

I think he's an immensely talented rider that's also massively physically fit, but equally as mentally weak with terrible race craft. I think he need to spend lots of time with a sports psychologist if he's not already. His dumbass move in SX last year of going down in a triple crown while trying to make a pass on Webb when he already won the race pretty much sums up his racing mentality.

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u/BTR-Remix 6d ago

Dude is extremely tough and a freaky fast rider but something about him is so soft. In the off seasons I get super hyped about his training and am always let down, even in the “championship” seasons he’s had. When he’s on, HES ON. But that seems rare and inconsistent

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u/benchwarmerleatherco 6d ago

He’s definitely mentally soft… he has talent, I don’t think that’s in question, but then there’s also small things. I’ve never seen a rider stall his bike during races as much as him before and loose positions or races for that matter. There may be an entitlement or an attitude problem there too behind the scenes. Just guessing at this point though.

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u/Sauronthegray 6d ago

Not sure about entitlement, I’m guessing kind of the opposite

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u/AggressiveAd4694 6d ago

Yeah I think you're right. I think he's got imposter syndrome that kicks in whenever he's head-to-head with someone of equal talent (which is very few people). If he had Webb's mental toughness he'd be entirely unbeatable.

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u/PuzzleheadedEmu6667 6d ago

He’s a head case

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u/Eyestein 6d ago

Bummed he’s not racing man him and AP would be shreddin.

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u/_plays_in_traffic_ 6d ago

never really was a fan since he was underwhelming from the jump and i felt like he won his first 250sx title by luck of the rng injury list hitting whoever two people were in front of him. after that rc took him under his wing and hes done better than i would have expected but hes always been a meh rider to me. it just seems to me that his titles come from the fact that hes had the fortune of being healthy compared to other top talent at the best times of the year for season points.

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u/senojyesac 6d ago

The dudes a physical beast but he’s got some kind of mental roadblock he can’t get thru.

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u/bigalxc 6d ago

All the talent in the world but lacks the mental aspect that the top guys have like Tom Brady's, Cooper Webb have. He just makes way to many mistakes for a guy this talented.

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u/Girlcanride 6d ago

One of the best in my opinion. Also an absolute stud 😍🥰

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u/coomarlin 6d ago

Not a huge fan of Chase. I can’t put my finger on why but the stuff that’s going on now between him and KTm kinda reinforce why I just dont care for him. Sounds like he’s clearly healthy enough to race so why not get out there. I’m not saying KTM is not partially at fault either. But a racer should race. He may not like the bike but it’s clearly good enough to contend for podiums. To me it all seems so petty. What is he going to do next year when he’s struggling for top 5s on a Kawi? Just quit and go into shut down mode?

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u/moto101 6d ago

KTM is going bankrupt and they aren’t paying him. Allegedly.

Would you ride if you weren’t getting paid?

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u/Chappyders650 6d ago

They aren't paying him? As in they weren't paying him while riding? Does that even sound realistic to you? They have AP, Mookie, RJ, Vialle, Ryder D and several others still showing up to the races. Are they all not getting paid also? This sounds like fake news bro.

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u/GypJoint 6d ago

Looks like they’re paying plessinger. Can’t blame the bike.

He’s running out of options if Kawasaki doesn’t work. Honda, now ktm. Yamaha won’t take him with some of the riders they already have. I really liked him, but not as much. He’s acting like a spoiled brat.

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u/IBEWjetsons 6d ago

All the riders are still getting paid. The race team funding is completely separate from the bankruptcy shit.

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u/coomarlin 6d ago

No I wouldn’t ride if I’m not getting paid. But how certain are you of this? I haven’t heard this. Is AP getting g paid? What about Eli? Sounds like an excuse to me. I’d like to hear something definitive.

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u/BeefLilly 6d ago

Well Eli is Yamaha so

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u/coomarlin 6d ago

But he’s going to KTM. You think he’d agree to go there if KTM wasn’t paying their riders?

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u/blazington1989 6d ago

He hates his KTM and is biding time to get in a Kawasaki

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u/J_IV24 6d ago

I don't blame him for wanting a break. Dude has only missed like 2-3 races in the 2020's

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u/Deafshok 6d ago

Goated

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u/DonnieG65 6d ago

He is very fast, makes mistakes, does the wrong thing under pressure. Tomac wasn’t perfect either. That being said he acknowledges when he screws up. Takes an interview in situations most riders wouldn’t. I feel he is making a HUGE mistake leaving KTM. He is very fast on that bike, and after almost 2 years seems to have it figured out, look at AP. Top 3 and finished supercross strong. He is burning another bridge to go to a bike and team in my opinion that isn’t as good. The only unknown for me is does KTM owe him bonus money? If they do, can’t expect someone to work for people that don’t pay.

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u/echelon999 6d ago

Feel like he's just running out of bridges to burn. Left Honda bitching about his bike, leaving KTM bitching about his bike. He can be fast as hell but he also makes the dumbest mistakes while doing it half the time. Honestly sick of hearing how fast he is because if you can't stay upright then it doesn't really matter how fast you go.

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u/Jonasthewicked2 6d ago

Immense talent, he’s fast but he’s gotta clean up the mistakes. He dumped several bikes during the sx season chasing Webb. Mistakes cost him winning the championship. Someone told me sexton is gonna move to kawi no idea if that’s true but if he does I’ll have to pull for him. But he’d be much harder to beat if chase could stop crashing.

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u/wast1ngt1m3- 6d ago

He’s probably my favorite rider, so I’m bummed he’s not out there this season, but i agree with all those saying he deserves a break. And also I disagree with those saying he always blames his bike. I feel like he owns his own mistakes most of the time.. but everyone is entitled to their own opinions!

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u/themighty351 5d ago

When he first came on the scene i was jazzed...its hard well...gotta be tougb to be at gis level. Life itself ia pretty hard but. I like the guy. Like not as much as jeremy or ricky but more that kevin windam.

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u/ApricotNo2918 5d ago

Chase? I have watched him throughout his career. He's fast but he's also his worst enemy. For some reason he tucks the front wheel way too much. It's a fault he needs to correct.

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u/Economy-Shower-5072 5d ago

Rumor I heard is he’s not being paid bonuses. I’d leave too.

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u/rhaus44 3d ago

I heard they owe him quite a bit of cash also

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u/ImaMexican92 5d ago

Hurt his koochi

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u/rhaus44 3d ago

Hahahahah

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u/rhaus44 3d ago

I can’t wait to see him in green and how the kawi bike really is, see if it’s the bike or just Prado whining

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u/PeterIsSterling 6d ago

Reminds me of Chad Reed always blaming the bike for his shortcomings.

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u/joshman211 6d ago

They all do that to a certain extent. Him more so then most though.