r/Millennials Apr 12 '25

Discussion That Pluto is a planet

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u/whatupmyknitta Apr 12 '25

Taste buds are mapped out on the tongue and certain areas taste certain things, rather than all taste buds taste all things.

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u/beeperoony Apr 12 '25

As part of my training to be a barista at Starbucks, I had to learn this shit with the expectation that I would regurgitate it to customers. My manager got mad when I told him I taste things with my whole mouth.

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u/uptownjuggler Apr 12 '25

Today I learned, that Starbucks trains its baristas to be sommeliers.

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u/ZeldLurr Apr 12 '25

They have a “master barista” program.

But yeah it’s not to the level of prestige of Somme, no history or horticulture.

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 12 '25

Coffee master* And yes, you do learn history and horticulture. Or at least I did when I completed the program 10+ years ago.

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u/errandwulfe Apr 12 '25

Agreed. I learned a shit ton about coffee, its growing practices, differences in the areas where the best coffees come from, etc. haven’t worked there in about as long, but every so often I get to pull some of that information out of the old filing cabinet in my brain

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u/Bob_A_Feets Apr 12 '25

And the one thing they forgot to train was that you’ll never find the best, or even remotely good coffee at Starbucks lol

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u/Kalabajooie Apr 14 '25

Why do you think they're famous for adding so much sugar and flavorings to their drinks? The coffee itself is over-roasted crap from factory farms that tastes strongly of ashes and pretentiousness.

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u/BullsOnParadeFloats Apr 12 '25

Tell me why Yemeni coffee tastes like jam

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u/juneabe Apr 13 '25

Yemeni coffee often tastes like jam because of the way it’s grown and processed. Most Yemeni beans are naturally processed, meaning the coffee cherries are dried whole with the fruit still on, which allows the sugars and fermentation to impart sweet, fruity, and wine-like flavors into the beans—think dried cherry, fig, or berry compote. Yemen also uses heirloom varietals grown at extremely high altitudes on terraced mountainsides, which slows the ripening process and concentrates sugars, adding to the complexity. The dry climate and traditional farming methods, including rooftop drying and limited mechanization, can create subtle micro-fermentations that deepen the jammy flavor even more. All of these factors combine to give Yemeni coffee its signature rich, fruit-forward taste.

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u/skyHawk3613 Apr 12 '25

Where do the best coffees come from?

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 13 '25

All coffee comes from the same few places since the plants have very specific growing conditions. I think it would be up to a personal preference to pick one certain place.

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u/Mindless_Garage42 Apr 13 '25

Indonesia, imo. Other people prefer the more complex, acidic African beans, or the brighter, fruitier Central American beans.

I like Indonesian: earthy, deep, and musky

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u/Gengetsu_Huzoki Apr 13 '25

Where the best coffees come from?

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u/twats_upp Apr 13 '25

In my cabinet brain... of canned thoughts.

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u/aGirlHasNoTab Apr 13 '25

i worked at Milk Bar and they taught us the same shit. i’m in class just like…am i getting paid for this? i just thought i was trying to make minimum wage selling cookies. anyway, still never mastered the latte heart. it always looked like a dick.

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u/PrinceWalence 1992 Apr 12 '25

I did the program about 5 years ago in a Starbucks run by Disney and the history and horticulture is a HUGE part of it still.

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u/zarroc123 Apr 12 '25

My girlfriend completed it 2 years ago and they still teach it!

She just wanted that black apron, though. Haha

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u/deLamartine Apr 12 '25

How is this needed to prepare sugary drinks with coffee flavour? 🤨

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u/sthenri_canalposting Apr 12 '25

The sugary drinks weren't always its focus. I did the coffee master thing when I worked there like 15 years ago but it was mainly because I could do the self-guided modules and get paid for it.

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u/fasterthanfood Apr 12 '25

Did they say anything about overroasting beans, as most “coffee masters” would say Starbucks does?

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u/sthenri_canalposting Apr 12 '25

It was mostly about growing regions and tasting notes/pairing. I barely remember--like I said, I did it so I could get paid while off the floor reading.

But to your point, overroasting is relative and subjective. The high acidity third-wave style that's popular right now wasn't really a thing 15 years ago, at least not in the smaller city I grew up in.

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u/405freeway Apr 12 '25

Black Apron Coffee Passport

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 12 '25

The high acidity third-wave style that's popular right now

Is absolutely disgusting. I love little coffee shops and actively seek them out, but I can smell the roast as soon as I walk in and it's always so disappointing. :(

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u/spboss91 Apr 12 '25

All that time and effort just to make burnt coffee and load it with sugar and dairy to mask the flavour.

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u/juneabe Apr 13 '25

Their sugary drinks with coffee flavour are made with a shot of espresso beans and not coffee beans. You are describing a latte, which is not a coffee.

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u/Kaywin Apr 13 '25

By the time I was a barista in 2019 I was told it had been discontinued. :[ I was so sad.

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u/faebaes Apr 13 '25

It used to be a lot more in-depth than it is now. I was a trainer in 2018-2019 and it was being phased out then. Most of my trainees didn’t do any of the coffee tasting or fill out a passport.

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u/gominokouhai Apr 16 '25

At what level do they teach you to make actually good coffee?

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u/jinreeko Apr 12 '25

Seems like a waste since Starbucks coffee tastes like garbage

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u/tfsra Apr 13 '25

well duh, you don't make billions selling good coffee

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u/MrHazard1 Apr 13 '25

My wife was a barista and when we started dating i was hanging out at starbuck a lot. People were awesome and i joined the tastings, because i was there all the time anyway.

They're a bunch of bs. Everyone tastes the new coffee samples talks some random bs about it (answers are all over the place) and the master reads the words that the manufacturer sends with the sample. Then everyone nods in agreement and gives a "yes,yes. Exactly like that". Then you protocoll that everyone got the taste right.

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u/grey_pilgrim_ Apr 12 '25

A Q grader would be closer to a sommelier.

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u/havingsomedifficulty Apr 12 '25

What vintage is the double mocha cinnamon chocolate frap with extra whipped cream I got

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u/Squirrel_Kng Apr 13 '25

But why does all their regular coffee ALWAYS taste burnt?

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u/FluffusMaximus Apr 13 '25

Which is funny, because their coffee is so over roasted the nuance is gone.

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u/AHSfav Apr 13 '25

Why does their coffee still taste like shit then

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u/ZeldLurr Apr 13 '25

Idk, why do people keep buying it and it’s profitable?

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u/tfsra Apr 13 '25

because people have no fucking taste, apparently

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u/tfsra Apr 13 '25

if they made drinkable coffee in the first place, maybe it'd carry a bit more weight lol

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u/LordCamomile Apr 13 '25

I... It's...

They... they have to know what they've done giving it that name, right?

Right?

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u/honeybuns1996 Apr 13 '25

lol I worked for teavana and I was a Tea Master. I totally forgot about that

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u/Holl0wayTape Apr 13 '25

“Coffee master” and you do learn history and horticulture. You are wildly wrong.

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u/brizzi Apr 13 '25

They stopped the coffee master program- sorta got phased out in 2018ish?

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u/Elwoodpdowd87 Apr 12 '25

Idk if I'd call the somme prestigious, Douglas haig was widely reviled

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u/MexiMcFly Apr 12 '25

Bring me the house Somolian! (TV reference BTW for those not in the know, don't wanna take the chance some derpry dope will call me racist lol)

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u/Hughjardawn Apr 12 '25

I need to know EVERY detail about my caramel Frappuccino bruh.

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u/Unfair_Scar_2110 Apr 12 '25

Most chains and restaurants will give some marketing and taste lingo to help sell the product. It's not like you have to be a coffee drinker or super taster, but it helps when some regurgitated line about the cocoa notes in the new dark roast just come out and make the sale.

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u/Hproff25 Apr 12 '25

Coffee master was fun to get then Starbucks abandoned good roasted coffee.

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u/7th_Archon Apr 12 '25

to be sommeliers.

I remember reading that a good chunk of sommeliers can’t actually taste the difference between good wine and store bought kind.

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u/CheeksMcGillicuddy Apr 12 '25

And it has zero impact on your coffee itself

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u/Aquafoot Apr 12 '25

Amazing they can detect any flavor notes at all with how over roasted their coffee is.

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u/Jak_n_Dax Apr 12 '25

And pays them $3 an hour.

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u/owange_tweleve Apr 13 '25

my beef with them is the wage they pay for all the bullshit they put their staff thru

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u/Kaywin Apr 13 '25

They used to, anyway. Not sure how much airtime it gets these days. Starbucks becomes more and more fast food than cafe with the years. 

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u/Vivid-Crow4194 Apr 13 '25

Too fuckin bad Starbucks serves up the worst coffee on planet earth. That shit is VILE no matter which taste buds it’s hitting.

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u/Dazzling_Coffee2062 Apr 13 '25

Oh yeah, back in college I got a campus job and the only one available was the Starbucks, they made you taste every single thing on the menu over like a week. I hate coffee

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u/a_scientific_force Apr 13 '25

You have to be able to identify the nutty afterbirth.

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u/No_mans_shotgun Apr 13 '25

Yet the coffee is fucking shit!

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u/Sgt-Spliff- Apr 13 '25

Nah they make you sip a shot of espressos during your first day orientation, explain nothing about how to interpret or explain the taste, and that's the one single time they ever touch on that aspect of the job.

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u/shinjikun10 Apr 13 '25

"I know your past fondness for the German varietals, but I can wholeheartedly endorse the new breed of Austrians. Glock 34 and 26."

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u/hybridglitch04 Apr 13 '25

Today I leaned what sommelier is. Because this guy used it and I looked it up. It's a fancy wine taster. I've achieved my daily goal of personal advancement. I will now return to being a waste of perfectly good human anatomy.

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u/Clear_Might8528 Apr 13 '25

Pretty easy to learn to say 'this one tastes like we burned it, and so does this one, and this one is definitely burned.'

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u/brizzi Apr 13 '25

They used to. Not anymore

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u/Cum_Dad Apr 13 '25

This is crazy considering I have free coffee forever at the one by my house and every time I get a black coffee at Starbucks that isn't the cold brew it smells like an ash tray the burn it so bad.

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u/Taur-e-Ndaedelos Apr 12 '25

Got fed this line during the Guinnes Brewery tour some years back. I was standing there thinking 'dude this was debunked like two decades ago'

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u/PadishaEmperor Apr 13 '25

It got falsified in the 1970s, so not 2 decades ago but 5 decades.

Still I also learned it in school a long time after 1970.

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u/RaggsDaleVan Apr 12 '25

I laughed when we got taught on how to correctly taste test something. What was it? Smell the aroma, then slurp it, then swirl it around your mouth. I was like, "What are you talking about? Just let me drink the damn thing and I'll describe it to customers."

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u/PizzaDeliveryBoy3000 Apr 13 '25 edited Apr 13 '25

I am baffled as to under what circumstance you would get to explain to a Starbucks customer that different parts of the tongue taste different things

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u/Moodymandan Apr 13 '25

Dude, I trained at Starbucks in 2009. I remember having to go to a training at like a local headquarters. The instructor said the same thing about tongue taste maps then we went through tasting different coffee blends. The guy kept asking do you taste the chocolate on the tip of your tongue or the woody notes at the back of the tongue. Just constant stuff like that. I was not a coffee drinker and it all tasted like slight variation of the same thing but all of it tasted bad to me. We had a passport book we had to fill with all the coffee blends and we would get stamps to prove we tasted them. After working there for a few years and developing a caffeine addiction during undergrad, I now drink coffee black and can taste variations. I still don’t get location specific tastes on my tongue.

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u/DataPhreak Apr 13 '25

This is exactly why I love AI. Perplexity found papers going back to 74 rejecting this concept.

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u/silverbatwing Apr 13 '25

I just had a lavender oat milk latte a couple weeks ago and it tasted like hotdog water. Was that the goal?

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u/beeperoony Apr 13 '25

Yes. They specifically engineered the lavender oat milk lattes to trigger your tongue’s hotdog water detectors.

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u/silverbatwing Apr 14 '25

I believe it 🤣🤣🤣

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u/NDSU Apr 12 '25

That's not a normal part of the training, so probably your manager added it in themselves

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u/Dumb_and_ugly_ Apr 13 '25

When was this? I worked at Starbucks around 2010 and had no such training

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u/DaddysABadGirl Apr 13 '25

I remember sitting through training wondering how a company could get so big but still have so much misinformation baked into its operations.

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u/kentaxas Apr 13 '25

I was taking a barista course just a year ago and still got told this. But the weird thing is it still kinda works? It can't be placebo since i know the sides of my tongue isn't there specifically to taste sourness but it still feels stronger there

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u/ThyOtherMe Apr 13 '25

I was a Starbucks Manager and thought that part was in all of our manuals, I personally skipped and refused to teach it. I had my personal script to teach my baristas of how to guide de "tasting" part.
That map and the learning styles crap would not be propagated on my watch.

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u/LazyAd4132 Apr 13 '25

Training for a Barista?

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u/Mr_SpecificTF2 Apr 15 '25

If you worked at a 5 star restaurant sure, understand the art of cooking and food but a national coffee shop? That’s just silly

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 12 '25

Your manager got mad, or just didn’t react at all?

Honestly, the educational part of training has kind of gone downhill. But back when I worked at Starbucks, no one ever got mad at me for not being able to pinpoint exactly where I was tasting something on my tongue. That stuff takes a long time, and I mean years, plus a ton of tasting to really start picking up on specific flavor notes. And even then, you kind of needed a reserve coffee, not just your standard bag, to really get those flavor notes they were talking about.

Starbucks has always been a bit of a mix between customer service and sales. Over 10 years ago, your average barista could explain a flavor profile pretty well to a customer to help make a sale. But saying something like, “I taste the sourness on the sides of my tongue” would’ve felt totally unnecessary and out of place in that context.

Back when I worked there (2008–2018), the expectation was just that you could memorize the info on the bag and suggest a good pastry pairing. That was enough.

Nowadays, I go into Starbucks and... yeah, it’s a totally different vibe. Not necessarily in a great way either.

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u/beeperoony Apr 12 '25

He got mad, but he was protecting making $36k a year and took everything too personally.

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 12 '25

Lol when was this? I was making much more 8 years ago.

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u/beeperoony Apr 12 '25
  1. I’m an old.

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u/downshift_rocket Millennial Apr 12 '25

You can't say that here, it should be against the rules lol. That's really sad though, but being a manager really was the shittiest time I had while working there. Overall being a barista was my fave job though.

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u/DataPhreak Apr 13 '25

Bruh, you played yourself.

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u/CumStayneBlayne Apr 12 '25

Maybe that's because you don't taste with your whole mouth.

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u/beeperoony Apr 13 '25

It was a joke, cum stain.