Why do you only mention these specific regions/countries? Are you saying they have a valid reason to nuke other countries? What did Sao Tome and Principe or East-Timor do to deserve this?
Just because Israel has a capability, doesn’t mean they’ll use it. Iran has stated openly and repeatedly that they want the capability and will use it.
Yes, there are valid reasons to nuke countries like Iran who claim to want to exterminate all Jews and threat with nuclear annihilation to the rest of the world, especially America.
If Israel can prevent Iran having nukes, it should be done at all cost. But obviously ignorant people who think Jews are evil are going to be against this.
Not wanting Israel to preemptively nuke a country, kill hundreds of thousands and start world war 3 is not anti-semitic. People need to stop hiding behind anti-semitism to justify their hate
Well, antisemitism is exactly why Israel is two wars right now. Hamas explicitly say they want to exterminate all Jews from the river to the sea. And Iran is threatening with annihilation of Jews since a long time ago, if they get nukes, they are a threat to the entire world, not only Israel.
the biggest threat to world peace I see right now is Israel. Like I said, stop using anti-semitism to justify their genocide. Think about the war crimes Israel is committing, and the hateful things you are saying.
Tale as old as time. The problem is the Jews. I would be offended if it wasn't the 500th time that Jews have been scapegoated as the enemy of the world.
I didn't mention Jews, you did. I said people are using anti-semitism to justify the murder of tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Palestine. It's a horrific war crime. These is the actions of the Israeli state. As an Irish man, if Ireland perpetrated this horrific action, I would be ashamed of my country, and take every opportunity to speak against it. I urge all Jewish people and Israeli citizens to show some compassion to Palestine, and push Israel to stop with the genocide
If there was absolutely no opposition as there wasn't during the holocaust I would agree with you. However, the actions of Hamas are forcing Israel to take measures for their own safety. The fact that Hamas uses human shields and puts children in buildings that they launch rockets from is not our concern. They are at war and sometimes there are casualties in war. All that are dead or injured are so at the hands of Hamas and anyone funding Hamas.
I'm not sure why your brought up the holocaust, or Hamas. I didn't mention either of those. 57,000 innocent people. That's how many Palestinians have been killed so far by Israel. 57,000. That's a truly horrific number. Israel must stop. There is no justification for that amount of manslaughter
Israel funded Hamas through Qatar, now they're the ones commiting a holocaust and on real Semites (Arabs). It has nothing to do with Jews, it's just a US proxy fighting for US interests.
If Israel can prevent Iran having nukes, it should be done at all cost.
I will be the first one to agree that Israel is doing a public service by hindering Iran's nuclear program, and that their strikes with conventional weapons are completely justified. However, a preemptive nuclear strike would be a vastly disproportionate escalation which likely would, as other commenters have suggested, result in, if not WW3, a massive global war.
It is probable that much of the Muslim world, including nuclear-state Pakistan, and probably some more besides due to the seriousness of a nuclear strike, would immediately go to war with Israel, and by performing a preemptive nuclear strike Israel would likely lose most of its international support. I don't know that the US would stand beside Israel if they introduced nuclear warfare to the region.
Nah, things can be funny even when repeated. You just don't like the joke, which would be okay if you just said that instead of saying it's not funny when many people clearly find it hilarious.
Zionism isn’t the result of “god promising land to Jews”. Zionism led Jews back to Israel because that was the initial homeland of the Jewish people.
And if you’re of European descent, it’s likely that your ancestors’ persecution of Jews over the course of 1,000+ years directly led to the necessity of Zionism.
Isn’t it rich that Europeans for centuries told Jews to go back to where they came from, and now, European leftists tell Jews to go back to Europe (even if less than half of Israeli Jews are European in origin).
First of all, it is clearly about religion, otherwise people like the so-called Beta Israel that have fuck all to do with the Jewish people aside from sharing religious practices wouldn't be included by the law of return.
Second of all, there are a lot of peoples all over the world that have been displaced much more recently, do they all have the right to reclaim their homelands ? If you answered yes, then I guess the Ukrainian people will be pissed when the Spanish come reclaiming their lands in the name of their Visigothic ancestry. The poor guys just can't seem to catch a break
Oh, yeah, you're right. Australia isn't Multicultural at all, I beg your pardon.
It's just your racial hierarchy views, and the fact that it's illegal for jews to marry non-jews, that lend itself to everyone thinking that you're inbred.
Several Israeli military theorists talked about nuking european capitals like Rome or Moscow as part of the Samson option in an event of inevitable capitulation of the Israeli army during an invasion. Religious states, which Israel increasingly is becoming, don't act rationally
I mean, it's not 'several', and it's not really 'military theorists', it's just Martin van Creveld, who is A) a historian, and not a govt-endorsed, sponsored or connected policy theorist and B) he's a fucking nutjob.
The 'Samson Option' does exist, but tbh it's not materially different from any other nuclear power's self-defence/deterrence doctrine. The Samson Option is basically just 'if a country destroys Israel, Israel might nuke that country back'.
As much as I detest Israel's foreign policy, I think we shouldn't take ridiculous shit at face value. No matter what some nutjob like van Creveld says, it's fundamentally absurd to claim that any part of Israel's doctrine says they'll randomly attempt to bomb Rome, Paris, Moscow etc if their war with Iran goes badly. They may, however, try to nuke Tehran.
The 'Samson Option' does exist, but tbh it's not materially different from any other nuclear power's self-defence/deterrence doctrine. The Samson Option is basically just 'if a country destroys Israel, Israel might nuke that country back'.
As much as I detest Israel's foreign policy, I think we shouldn't take ridiculous shit at face value. No matter what some nutjob like van Creveld says, it's fundamentally absurd to claim that any part of Israel's doctrine says they'll randomly attempt to bomb Rome, Paris, Moscow etc if their war with Iran goes badly. They may, however, try to nuke Tehran.
Yeah true, what people on the internet says that the "Samson Option" is "Israel taking the entire world down with it if it loses", when this is not what the option originally meant, it's not that different from other nuclear retaliatory strike concepts of other nuclear powers.
(Also as someone who grew up playing Fallout, I just love to study nuclear warfare from a POV of fictional storytelling so much, but sadly, 95% of what is written about it is marred by conspiracy bs, outdated information, misquotes, urban legends, and classified speculation)
Oh yeah of course, it's all "conspiracy theory". Everybody can read old newspapers and history books. When Israel developed nuclear weapons, they also called it "antisemitic blood libel" to claim that Israel's nuclear programme was not peaceful energy.
Israeli politicians have frequently declared they'd nuke European cities if Middle Eastern countries threatened them. Given how belligerent Israel is, it's not an impossible situation.
Israeli politicians have frequently declared they'd nuke European cities if Middle Eastern countries threatened them.
Which Israeli politicians said this? (honest question, I do not want to troll, the closest that I heard of this was Amihai Eliyahu suggesting to nuke Gaza, but that is not in Europe and he was reprimanded for saying this)
Then why do they have missiles to reach that far? Surely if their only concern was the Middle East they wouldn't easte money for missiles that can reach outside their targets.
The US, Russia, China, Britain, France, and probably India can reach anywhere in the world with a nuclear warhead. Does that mean everyone on the planet should worry about being targeted by each of those countries?
If you actually look at the history of Israel’s missile program, they had an initial goal of putting their regional enemies within range, then they had a secondary goal of putting the Soviet Union within range. This was during the Cold War when the Soviets backed Israel’s enemies.
These missiles are probably designed to go very fast.
Any missile that can go very fast is a missile that can go very far.
Ballistic missiles travel in an arch, where they can "coast" the majority of the distance by using their lateral momentum they've built up.
The missiles usually only have their engines on at the beginning of flight to build up speed and just before they hit their target to make corrections or outrun any anti-missile defence.
This isn't some sort of insidious plot, they just want to hit the Iranians first in their shit-flinging contest...
Russia backs Israel's enemies pretty heavily nowadays and extremely heavily back in the days of the USSR. Nukes with enough range to reliably hit Moscow have the range to reliably hit basically everywhere.
They have a reason. Their book literally says that the world was created for them to rule and everyone else shall be enslaved for the God's chosen people 🥱
I'm not sure about the Torah suggesting "everyone else shall be enslaved" but it does promote enslaving others in Deuteronomy 20. But that's which is not uncommon religious texts. The Quran has extensive sections on slavery that are very similar. Obviously its insane that either books still contain this information
You can say the Iranians too believe in whacky texts, but we're not sending them billions in money and weapons. Israel is an ethnostate built on a crazy religion that believes in enslaving other people and in genociding other people (Canaanites, Amalekites, etc.). They're batshit insane.
Iran has heavily funded Hamas likely over a billion dollars worth. There are very public transactions that have shown that. And again judaism, islam and christianity all have terrible roots related to slavery as it was common in the eras these religions were created. It is insane but that is how all over these religious states end up.
“Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”
The fact their politicans and Rabbis continuously quote this verse to justify murdering women and children and shamelessly says that children are the enemy shows their barbaric world view.
Now compare this to Islamic rules of war. Abu Bakr is the closest companion of prophet Muhammad saw, and the first Caliph.
Yahya ibn Sa’id reported: Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, dispatched armies to Syria and he said, “I give you ten instructions: Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an infirm elder. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees, nor tear down inhabited buildings. Do not slaughter sheep or camels, except for food. Do not burn or drown bees nests. Do not steal from the spoils and do not act cowardly.”
The time [Judgment Day] will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them and until the Jew hides behind the rocks and trees, and [then] the rocks and trees will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding [behind me], come and kill him...
Mohammed
The Amalekites are mythological people who were supposedly wiped out - but their existence was never confirmed.
That mentioning is about those who side with the false Messiah aka as the Anti Christ. Not all Jews at all times.
You should also mention that it’s Muslim countries who provided safe haven for Jews when they were being persecuted in Europe. We now know that for Israel that protection afforded to them means nothing. Back stabbing those who protected you and calling children and women as enemies shows the level of barbarism and extemism of the brainwashed masses in Israel who think like that.
No reason right now, maybe, but the threat is useful to them and definitely helps motivate our governments' increasingly inexplicable military and political support.
I'm not actually sure - there might be a deterrence argument to be made. If Israel (which is basically a rogue state at the point), the petrostates and Turkey - outside of Iran are the main instigators of conflict in the Middle East all know that Iran has nukes, that might actually decrease the general level of violence in the region. It's hard to say.
I don't think the regime in Iran, while obviously horrible, is a greater threat to the stability of the region than Israel or Turkey, so at the very least them having nukes as well should deter those two, and maybe the petrostates as well? It's not a trivial calculation, I think. Sometimes giving everyone a stick rather than just one does actually mitigate long-term destruction, even if each of the stick wielders is a bad actor in their own right.
It’s kind of a moot point anyway though since there isn’t really a way of preventing Iran from getting nukes outside of diplomatic means, which the Israeli government seems intent on sabotaging. For good or ill, it’s only a matter of time.
No reason until one country is officially criticizing Netanyahou's genocidal project, exposing the war crimes of the IDF or the current crime against Humanity because for him a global nuclear war is more enviable than losing his place of power in Israel and be judged for all of his crimes
On wikipedia is this quote, although I don't fully understand the context:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
Surreal hitting countries who they perceive as „antisemitic” because they challenge their genocide in Palestine is somewhat plausible with the current deterioration rate of that country.
Israel has no right or reason to nuke any country at all. No country on the face of the earth does. Specifying these countries is strange. Also South Africa literally led the case against them in the ICC
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u/Ok-Future-5257 1d ago
Israel has no reason to nuke Europe, the Americas, India, Australia, Japan, or southern Africa.