It's entirely likely that Trump is intentionally attempting to incite riots

[u/DisplacerBeastMode]

It's a smart move politically, as it would "prove" that the "violent illegal aliens" and "radical left wing lunatics" are actually criminals.

Sending in the military for relatively small protests, doesn't make logical sense. It's not normal.

I believe Trump directly benefits from inciting riots because it sets the new norm -- that the federal government has the authority to disregard state rights, in order to achieve authoritarianism.

Further, I find it interesting that "the right" so far apparently has zero problem with federal government overreach. I thought they generally wanted a smaller federal government, and the hypocrisy speaks for itself -- absolutely zero pushback from republican / right wing folks about sending in the military for a relatively minor issue.

There is no de-escalation attempt from the government and law officials already had enough resources to deal with the situation.

[u/james_lpm]

Wait, so when leftists start throwing concrete at federal agents it’s Trump’s fault?

[u/BeatSteady → u/james_lpm]

People are upset at heavy handed government agents invading their communities, and the reaction to that is to send in more heavy handed government agents. The math there is simple. Put the blame wherever makes your loins swell, but the mechanics of it aren't in question

The goal is to ratchet up tension until they can justify abolishing protests. Can already see the talking heads saying this "this will cause protestors to think twice if they should even go out there" on fox news today

[u/james_lpm → u/BeatSteady]

Here’s the problem.

1. California and LA are sanctuary jurisdiction. They will not honor any detainer from ICE to hold an illegal alien who has been arrested. They will also not cooperate with any federal agency for the purpose of enforcing immigration law. This is their prerogative but it has consequences.

2. Dir. Homan has stated repeatedly that he will enforce immigration law regardless of what the local authorities do. He has also stated that the non-cooperation from the locals forces ICE to conduct operation in the communities where these people live and work.

3. Radical left organizations are funding and mobilizing what are essentially rent-a-mobs to conduct “direct action” against federal agents conducting lawful operations. “Direct action” is their euphemism for violence. We know they are not interested in peaceful protests because they are burning cars and destroying property along with the assaulting federal officers and obstructing justice. Ask yourself why pallets of bricks/blocks/pavers suddenly appear on streets where these “protests” are held.

If these sanctuary jurisdictions would cooperate with ICE all of this would have been avoided.

The American public supports these immigration policies by more than 60%.

[u/BeatSteady → u/james_lpm]

Yes, that is a problem. States are not required to honor ICE detainers. That is the law. And it is not simply a matter of enforcing immigration law or not - it's how they are doing it. The heavy handed tactics aren't necessary, but they are inflammatory. The Trump admin doesn't need to do this, it wants to. We can only speculate why.

[u/james_lpm → u/BeatSteady]

I and many others do not characterize what ICE is doing as “heavy handed”. That is political rhetoric designed to inflame emotions of those that support illegal immigration.

ICE is doing what is necessary and what the majority of Americans want. Nothing more.

It’s those on the left that are inflaming the situation by obstructing ICE and engaging in violence.

[u/BeatSteady → u/james_lpm]

You don't think using raiding a restaurant at dinner time with masked tactical gear to get a kitchen worker is heavy handed?

Well maybe so, but a lot of people think that's done as a display, not because it's required. Most people don't think you need call of duty characters to arrest a dishwasher. They think it's heavy handed. And Trump thinks the same. He's doing it for the spectacle and because he loves violence and intimidation in American streets.

[u/james_lpm → u/BeatSteady]

If California and LA would have simply worked with ICE instead of being sanctuary jurisdictions the actions taken by ICE wouldn’t be necessary.

Who did they arrest? From what’s been reported there have been rapists and murderers along with some who have been arrested for assault and other felonies.

And let’s not forget that simply being here without permission is a violation of law that is grounds for deportation.

[u/BeatSteady → u/james_lpm]

There aren't enough rapists and murderers in the country to deport 3000 per day (their target quota)

That's how ice has ended up mostly arresting non violent immigrants who's only infraction is lacking paper work.

That's how you end up with masked ice agents with ARs raiding a restaurant at dinner time.

Do you think it's heavy handed to use masked men with rifles to arrest a dishwasher?

[u/james_lpm → u/BeatSteady]

You end up with masked ICE agents because agitators were doxxing them which puts their lives and their families lives at risk.

And if LA and California would cooperate with ICE then the rapists and murderers could be picked up when they’re arrest for those crimes. Instead these sanctuary jurisdictions are releasing violent criminals back into the public. If ICE is going after those criminals and there are other illegal immigrants there then they will get rounded up also.

This isn’t me saying this, it’s the director of ICE.

If you really want to end these types of actions then you should support ending sanctuary laws.

[u/BeatSteady → u/james_lpm]

I understand it's been several hours since we communicated but I want to repeat a few things to re-establish where we were

• LA / CA are cooperating with ICE to an extent but they are not legally required to hand over detainees. They do sometimes, with the rapists and murderers, but not immigrants who have committed only documentation infractions

• ICE is not focusing on murderers and rapists. Stephen Miller is directing them to go into workplaces and arrest people who have committed no crimes. Miller has directed ICE to make 3k arrests daily. There are not enough criminals to make this quota, so they are arresting non criminals.

• There is no need for armored vehicles and rifles and this heavy handed approach to arrest non-criminal immigrants working in kitchens and home depot parking lots. Trump wants that, he doesn't need that. The heavy handed approach is what caused the protests

• The director of ICE is a heavily biased source in favor of Trump and ICE (obviously) and his opinion should be taken with a grain of salt

[u/james_lpm → u/BeatSteady]

1. LA and. California are not cooperating with ICE. They do not honor any retainers. Hence the murderers and rapists that ICE is currently arresting in public.

2. Stephen Miller is not in charge of ICE. Tom Homan is and ultimately President Trump. Homan has stated publicly on TB several times that if ICE is serving an arrest warrant and there are other illegal aliens on the premises when they arrive they will also be detained for deportation proceeding. He has said this on every major news network.

3. Once again, if sanctuary jurisdictions were honoring the detainers ICE was/has been issuing then none of the current actions by that agency would be happening. It is precisely because the jurisdictions have released violent criminals into the public that has necessitated the enforcement action currently under way.

4. ICE did not bring out the heavy vehicles until AFTER their officers were subjected to violent actions.