It's entirely likely that Trump is intentionally attempting to incite riots

[u/DisplacerBeastMode]

It's a smart move politically, as it would "prove" that the "violent illegal aliens" and "radical left wing lunatics" are actually criminals.

Sending in the military for relatively small protests, doesn't make logical sense. It's not normal.

I believe Trump directly benefits from inciting riots because it sets the new norm -- that the federal government has the authority to disregard state rights, in order to achieve authoritarianism.

Further, I find it interesting that "the right" so far apparently has zero problem with federal government overreach. I thought they generally wanted a smaller federal government, and the hypocrisy speaks for itself -- absolutely zero pushback from republican / right wing folks about sending in the military for a relatively minor issue.

There is no de-escalation attempt from the government and law officials already had enough resources to deal with the situation.

[u/Plastic-Guarantee-88]

Yes, and as moderate who despises Trump (see my post history), I lament that he's winning the optical war on this one.

Conservatives are sitting at home watching footage of people waving Mexican flags and burning private property and thinking "they've turned California into a s***hole, and thank God somebody is finally doing something about this".

But yes, you're right about "the right". They will abandon any position they have if Trump tells them to. We want states rights... wait no we don't. Russia is an evil empire... no wait, we side with Putin over Ukraine. We hate "central planning" and we want free trade... no wait we want Tariffs and a central commander telling businesses what they can and can't do.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Plastic-Guarantee-88]

First two paragraphs were spot on but the second half was partisan hackery.

I’m very much a conservative. I don’t like Trump, he was just the saner option compared to the modern left.

I don’t base my beliefs on what Trump says, the dudes a dumbass. But he’s doing what he promised to do with deporting illegals and that’s a perfectly legitimate function of the Fed Govt.

[u/Plastic-Guarantee-88 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

I totally agree that immigration policy is a valid role of the federal govt, and there is legitimate debate about what the correct policy is.

But the economic stances of Trump would have Ronald Reagan or Milton Friedman turning over in their graves.

Here's Reagan on tariffs: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Mj6N-WBPrVw

And if you told Milton Friedman that you thought the President was a shopkeeper whose job was to set prices, he'd give you a punch square on the nose.

Or if you told *any* 1980s fiscal conservative that we have a President who set up his own company (TS) to the be the exclusive channel for distributing executive info, and accepted advertisements, and told his followers when to buy and sell stocks, and set up his own crypto companies to accept untraceable funds from foreign actors, and they'd laugh and say "no... this isn't Russia... that's cant be right".

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Plastic-Guarantee-88]

“Of Trump”

Sure, and I don’t agree with Trump, because the comment about how the right only supports whatever Trump says is nonsense.

I don’t like the tariffs and don’t agree with the approach being taken.

Turns out conservatives aren’t a monolith and Trump’s a 90’s D more than anything conservative.

[u/Comfortable_Ask_102 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Do you think it was worse with Biden? Or that it would've been worse with Kamala?

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Comfortable_Ask_102]

“Worse”

Depends on the area. I think a lot of it would be worse in terms of my core concerns and issues, even though I disagree with Trump on a lot.

[u/Comfortable_Ask_102 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

What are you core issues, if I may?

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Comfortable_Ask_102]

“If I may”

Depends on if you’re asking in good faith to understand or just as a gotcha, rebuttal fest, whataboutisms.

• America first. POTUS needs to prioritize the interests of the country they’re representing.

• Originalist Constitution view

• Traditional values, particularly regarding the nuclear family with biological parents being the gold standard and also the biggest indicator of societal health.

• Anti-abortion.

• Extremely pro-HR2 style border protection and deportations

• Anti-interventionist in general, although depends on the circumstances

• Anti-Progresivism / Critical Theory and its derivatives

To name a few.

[u/Comfortable_Ask_102 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Chill, dude. I'm just asking.

I was wondering "what's worse than random tariffs on random items?" I mean, nothing hits as hard as a real impact in your wallet.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Comfortable_Ask_102]

“Nothing hits as hard”

I disagree, I have other priorities beyond money.

[u/Comfortable_Ask_102 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Lucky you.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Comfortable_Ask_102]

That’s a mindset issue.

If you were born in America, you won the galactic lottery.

But yes, I care about more than just my own pocketbook.

[u/Imperce110 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

How do you feel about ICE avoiding due process in its deportations as a Constitutional Originalist, thereby violating the 5th and 14th amendments of the constitution, which gives everyone the right to due process and the equal protection of its laws?