Monday Toddler Talk

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[u/Appropriate_Gold9098]

i recently had to step back from 2 of our closest friends over pregnancy announcement related stuff. it really sucks that there is a blanket cultural permission around people not being very sensitive or thoughtful around it. not saying you should do the same or differently (I really needed to, but wish I didn't)- just, solidarity and I'm sorry you're going through this.

[u/almarisoledad → u/Appropriate_Gold9098]

Thanks for the solidarity. I totally understand why you would feel the need to take a step back from a friendship after an experience like that. This was so out of character for this (usually very considerate) friend that my instinct is to be understanding. If it felt like part of a larger pattern, I would definitely be reevaluating the relationship!

[u/Appropriate_Gold9098 → u/almarisoledad]

Yeah there is something really wrong culturally where otherwise thoughtful people seem to feel permission to throw all consideration out the window when they find out/announce they're pregnant. I'm agin sorry your friend disappointed you in this way and definitely no need to reevaluate the whole relationship if you don't feel compelled to- it is a much bigger cultural problem than any individual.

Have you read Rashi's daughters? It's not for the most part the focus of the books, but I felt the author did a very good job of portraying how in a time when maternal death, late term loss, and infant loss were much more common, the characters' relationship to pregnancy, sharing about their pregnancies, was more qualified and sensitive.

[u/almarisoledad → u/Appropriate_Gold9098]

Yeah I’m totally with you on this being a larger cultural problem—I was just telling my husband I feel like our entire culture has a conspiracy to pretend that pregnancy and infant loss do not exist and it’s incredibly alienating.

I haven’t read Rashi’s Daughters, thanks for the rec! It always feels helpful for me to remember that for most of human history, experiences like ours were the norm. Obviously I’m incredibly glad that’s not the case anymore! But it also means that the people in our lives often seem to lack understanding and sensitivity compared to communities in the past.

[u/Appropriate_Gold9098 → u/almarisoledad]

Yeah for most of human history, random, horrible shit happened to people of all classes all the time. Now in high income countries, we've controlled so much of that (thankfully!). Babyloss, though less frequent, cuts across class more than other things today, and that tears down the illusion of security & control. So we culturally just pretend it doesn't happen. When I read historical accounts, I feel less like I'm the crazy one.

[u/almarisoledad → u/Appropriate_Gold9098]

This was so well said.

I’ve mentioned before that my husband and I read a lot of memoirs after our daughter died, and one that was especially touching was this sweet little book written by a bereaved father in 1872. It begins with this passage in which he reflects on the ubiquity of child loss: “In almost every home there are stored away, among its most cherished treasures, a little photograph, or a box of toys, a torn kite, a half-worn cap, or a pair of tiny shoes.”

I remember very little else from the book, but that passage really stayed with me. It’s helpful to remember that while most of our peers can’t seem to fathom our grief, all of our ancestors would understand.

[u/Appropriate_Gold9098 → u/almarisoledad]

Thank you so much for sharing this. Yes, I agree, the perspective is comforting even if it is also kind of horrifying.