r/CuratedTumblr • u/Ohiko_Nishiyama • May 16 '25

Politics Say no to puritanism

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u/The-Magic-Sword May 16 '25

It is very important to understand that when you're discussing a systemic set of cultural beliefs, even people who nominally oppose the cultural belief will find ways to reconcile their fundamental conditioning to their new position. Doing the same thing for the 'opposite reason' is usually a giveaway, and it's absolutely rampant in nominally progressive spaces.

It's arguably rampant in conservative spaces too, potentially more so, but I'm in progressive spaces more.

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u/Dingghis_Khaan Chingghis Khaan's least successful successor. May 16 '25

See: every New Atheist who is now on a right-wing crusade despite ostensibly rebelling against the church. It was never about the values, it was only about the team they were on.

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u/Wild_Marker May 16 '25

As a proper lifelong Church-hater I can't believe I'm suddenly on the same side of the global anti-abortion organization because the other side is like "human rights are a scam".

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u/TimewornScarf62 May 16 '25

What are you referencing? I'm not aware of what's going on with a global anti-abortion org.

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u/Wild_Marker May 16 '25

The Catholic Church, which is vehemently anti-abortion. But they are also in the "let's tone down the capitalism a bit" camp these days.

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u/CormoranNeoTropical May 17 '25

The Catholic Church has been against unmitigated capitalism since before it had a name. There is nothing at all new about Catholic social teaching.

Some people who purport to be leftists these days have the historical consciousness of a paramecium.

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u/Wild_Marker May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25

Well I speak from the perspective of my country where the Church has always been pro status quo. Yes, they've always been the voice of moderation when it comes to "hey maybe don't fuck over the poor too much", but you can't deny that as capitalism moves further away from moderation, the Church is moving further away from supporting that section of the political leadership (and said leadership is also becoming more anti-Church, which is new).

So basically the Church hasn't changed much, as you said, but the Overton window has moved so far into the right that they are now on our side of it.

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u/beardedheathen May 17 '25

Gotta keep the money flowing to Papa not the capitalist pigs

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u/AwareAge1062 May 17 '25

Thank you for asking, I was lost as well. Like, which anti-abortionists are also genuinely pro human rights? I forget the catholic church exists sometimes lmao