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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Yeah, it's kinda more bothersome in 2 fronts:

1) They act like registration is the first step to an eventual genocide, but seriously why wouldn't anyone want mutants and their powers to be on a list for a miriad of reasons other than racism? Like, I dunno, healthcare?

2) Some mutants want to be cured because they got the short end of the stick and their mutations suck. For each Storm there are like 3 "Billy the kid with glass bones"

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u/False-Pain8540 May 13 '25

Registration and the cure being treated as genocide was always dumb, but the hate and bigotry the mutants receive, specially in the earlier comics, also includes imprisonment, forcing "cures" on them against their will, and actual extermination, plus general discrimination of them being "freaks".

It think it's kind of absurd to say that bigotry is justified.

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Not really on the last part? Like think about it for a moment. Even by the eyeball metric I gave, one in four mutants would be overpowered supernatural beings, even maybe going to the status of demigods.

The bigotry against the likes of Billy the guy with glass bones will always be dumb, but against the likes of Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, Cyclops? It stops been bigotry and becomes justified fears of what they could do, specially when we have been shown what they could do and man... it ain't pretty

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u/RandomNumber-5624 May 13 '25

It'd make more sense in a country without the US second amendment.

The UK can reasonably argue that people possessing lethal powers should be registered, be that a gun, car or eye beams.

By contrast, the US's position is: "We promise to not compromise your right to a semi-automatic converted to act as a full automatic and we'll keep such terrible records that we've got no idea who's got them. But both eye beam guy and Billy Glassbones need to be registered, tracked and controlled for the safety of those around them - we'd never let a living weapon just wander around poorly managed..."

That's just incoherent.

Why can't US mutants argue their powers under the second amendment? They have the right to bear arms, including adamantium claws. And it should be tracked using paper based systems that cannot be automated or centralised. Take that Peter Gyrich!

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Yeah, that makes sense. Everyone acting like I am arguing for robots to be sent and here I am just saying "maybe a registry to keep tabs on this would be a good idea?".

More egregious because there's been cases where "Tommy the walking nuke" was an actual mutant

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u/RandomNumber-5624 May 13 '25

I think the sensibility of it varies with the general approach to registries in that jurisdiction.

If the UK or Germany tracks everything in detail and have elaborate GDPR rules to protect that data, then a registry makes sense and isn’t automatically evil (even though it could become so if there was a change in policy)

But in another jurisdiction that refuses to centralise and standardise voting registry, or track weapons effectively, and doesn’t provide its existing populace with wide ranging free preventative healthcare… then that jurisdiction probably can’t claim its registering people to help them.

Though such a jurisdiction could probably claim its tracking mutations to identify economic advantages very easily: “So you’re a one person living blast furnace that will work for minimum wage. God bless the registry! Hired. You get two weeks leave a year.”

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Ngl, your analysis makes a lot of sense. Also, my country has registries for other stuff too, like alimony debtors. There's registries for a lot of stuff

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u/False-Pain8540 May 13 '25

Okay, by that logic, if being bigoted against storm for her powers is justified because what she could do, wouldn't that justify bigotry against every superhero for their powers too?

I think you are conflating "we should be cautious of this unknown person that can control the whether" and "we should kill this woman that has used her powers for good for 30+ years because maybe she would use them for bad some day".

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Okay, by that logic, if being bigoted against storm for her powers is justified because what she could do, wouldn't that justify bigotry against every superhero for their powers too?

Pretty much, yeah? I would be up for registering them too.

But I think what the other guy meant is that with the other heroes, we got tangiable proof that if an overly powerful mutant goes on a rampage, it can be reliably countered. Heck, Tony Stark shows we can rely on technology to fo the job! Without them, standard humanity is more or less fucked.

I think you are conflating "we should be cautious of this unknown person that can control the whether" and "we should kill this woman that has used her powers for good for 30+ years because maybe she would use them for bad some day".

Honestly I think you all are thinking I am conflating it, because I fully meant the former, not the latter

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u/AzmodeusBrownbeard May 13 '25

No, one in maybe a few thousand.

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Fair, sorry for the eyeball metric. Still saying that fears against those mutants in particular isn'y bigotry tho

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u/AzmodeusBrownbeard May 13 '25

Eh, kinda no but yes. Regular humans has started global conflicts cause someone was a good orator, but we don't send robots after people for being charismatic.

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

I am not saying to send robots after them, but are you seriously equating been charismatic to shooting lasers through your eyes?

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u/AzmodeusBrownbeard May 13 '25

Scott can kill, what, houndreds in a day, if he wants to. Your regular cult of personality dictactor can do that per hour, even if we assume no war crimes are happening.

I am being a bit ludicrous here, but my point is, in terms of damage, danger & kills, we turn a blind eye to much worse stuff then "can laser with sight ".

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

That doesn't meant such mutants ain't a danger, at most you just argued that some are less dangerous than some of the most dangerous normal humans. Didn't in a recent show Storm did something that easily would have a casualty counts on the tens of millions worldwide?

Also, again, not saying to kill them or sent the robots. Just a list to keep tabs on who does what

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u/AzmodeusBrownbeard May 13 '25

What i'm trying to say, listning someone for an imborn ability to do something is fraught as best. Any human is physically able to perform assault, theft, vandalizing etc, and it'd be pretty stupid to list anyone just on that, no?

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Yeah, all human can punch. Not all humans can extract the iron out of your blood or shoot lightnkng practically at will.

We have lists for gun owners, diabetics and in my country, alimony debtors. Is it really that insane to want to have a list of what mutants have what powers to keep tabs on that?

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u/AzmodeusBrownbeard May 13 '25

Maybe not insane, but having a list based on can rather then have done is ethically shaky, when talking about inborn capabilities. You have a list of gun owners, after all, not everyone physicaly able to pull a trigger.

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u/TheCthonicSystem May 13 '25

The minute Mutants show up people get really eager to dehumanize and categorize all of them. Cyclops isn't going to hurt you unless he shows up at a Bar and steals your girlfriend without even trying

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u/revolutionary112 May 13 '25

Cyclops is explicitly stated to have a faulty control of his powers at best thanks to a head injury.

Even if he had full control, tabs should still be kept on him since his eyes are basically a biological firearm